HOFers currently playing

[OleMissCub]

If their careers were to end right now or within the next 2-3 years, who do you think are the HOFers playing right now?

 

My initial thoughts included:

 

Greg Maddux

Chipper Jones

Tom Glavine

Trevor Hoffman

Randy Johnson

Manny Ramirez

Ken Griffey Jr.

Alex Rodriguez

Pudge Rodriguez

Mike Piazza

Pedro Martinez

 

 

any others?

 

 

Oh, and let's go ahead and get it out of the way:

 

Kent Merker

GEOVANY SOTO

Adam Dunn

[wade]

Sammy Sosa?

Barry Bonds?

[wekse]

i don't know who kent merker is but Kent Mercker is a shoe in! lolololol

[Friendly Confines]

Curt Schilling

 

 

Neifi

[rocket]

If their careers were to end right now or within the next 2-3 years, who do you think are the HOFers playing right now?

 

My initial thoughts included:

 

Greg Maddux

Chipper Jones

Tom Glavine

Trevor Hoffman

Randy Johnson

Manny Ramirez

Ken Griffey Jr.

Alex Rodriguez

Pudge Rodriguez

Mike Piazza

Pedro Martinez

 

 

any others?

 

 

Oh, and let's go ahead and get it out of the way:

 

Kent Merker

GEOVANY SOTO

Adam Dunn

 

kent mercker isn't playing baseball anymore.

[UMFan83]

Ty Cobb

 

 

....oh wait, he's already in there (just playing OMC)

[rocket]

mariano rivera

derek jeter (sportswriters love him)

frank thomas

gary sheffield

[OleMissCub]

derek jeter (sportswriters love him)

 

Regardless of sportswriters loving him, I think he deserves it. His numbers are already better than every other SS in the HOF with the exception of Wagner, Ripken, and Banks (who really only played SS half of his career).

[DenverCubs]

What about a guy like Todd Helton. Sports writers just seem to have ignored him...case in point:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#NLmvp

note: I do live in Denver but do not like the Rockies.

[OleMissCub]

What about a guy like Todd Helton. Sports writers just seem to have ignored him...case in point:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#NLmvp

note: I do live in Denver but do not like the Rockies.

 

Helton is going to need several more years of solid production. The "Coors" bias is going to hurt him. So I think he needs to get to one of those statistical milestones like 3000 or 500. His position hurts him too. You better put up some sick nasty numbers if you want to get into the HOF as a 1st baseman. He does have a very good WARP3 after just 10 seasons: 87.2 (4 points higher than "the most feared hitter" Jim Rice).

[Hosak8]

Schilling is a lock.

 

Smoltz is a good bet, too.

[Mizzou]

Jeff Kent for sure.

Jim Thome for sure.

Alou might get in.

Delgado

Lofton will get some votes, I wouldn't bet on him getting in though.

Vizquel could be borderline.

[OleMissCub]

It's interesting to look at how good Chipper Jones really is, compared to the other modern HOF 3rd Basemen (I'm including Santo):

 

Player          AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS+  AB    R     H    HR   RBI   WARP3  FLD%

Mike Schmidt   .267 .380 .527  147  8352  1506  2234  548  1595  157.3  .955
Eddie Mathews  .271 .376 .509  143  8537  1509  2315  512  1453  145.0  .956
Ron Santo      .277 .362 .464  125  8143  1138  2254  342  1331  119.9  .954
George Brett   .305 .369 .487  135  10349 1583  3154  317  1595  135.7  .951
Bro. Robinson  .267 .322 .401  104  10654 1232  2848  268  1357  114.9  .971
Chipper Jones  .307 .403 .546  143  6898  1296  2117  386  1299  91.5   .954

[OleMissCub]

Jeff Kent for sure.

Yes. I think so, given his position.

 

Jim Thome for sure.

Probably.

 

Alou might get in.

Not a chance. He's nowhere near the numbers he needs (only 2117 hits & 332 hr), and there's nothing otherwise exceptional about his career.

 

Delgado

He's got the power numbers, but that's about it. Because there is nothing really exceptional about his career other than the power, I think he'd need to get to 500 to be given a lot of consideration. And even then, it seems likely that HOF voters are going to bump 500 up to 600 or something as THE power milestone, given the current offensive era.

 

Lofton will get some votes, I wouldn't bet on him getting in though.

He should merit a lot more consideration than he probably will get. I'd vote for him. A 110 WARP3 for a runty outfielder is pretty badass.

 

Vizquel could be borderline.

If Ozzie Smith is in, then Vizquel should be too. Their numbers are literally identical. The offensive era is probably going to hurt Omar though.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Jeff Kent for sure.

Jim Thome for sure.

Alou might get in.

Delgado

Lofton will get some votes, I wouldn't bet on him getting in though.

Vizquel could be borderline.

Really?

[Dr. Cub]

Jeff Kent for sure.

Yes. I think so, given his position.

 

Jim Thome for sure.

Probably.

 

Alou might get in.

Not a chance. He's nowhere near the numbers he needs (only 2117 hits & 332 hr), and there's nothing otherwise exceptional about his career.

 

Delgado

He's got the power numbers, but that's about it. Because there is nothing really exceptional about his career other than the power, I think he'd need to get to 500 to be given a lot of consideration. And even then, it seems likely that HOF voters are going to bump 500 up to 600 or something as THE power milestone, given the current offensive era.

 

Lofton will get some votes, I wouldn't bet on him getting in though.

He should merit a lot more consideration than he probably will get. I'd vote for him. A 110 WARP3 for a runty outfielder is pretty badass.

 

Vizquel could be borderline.

If Ozzie Smith is in, then Vizquel should be too. Their numbers are literally identical. The offensive era is probably going to hurt Omar though.

 

This is ridiculous. Did you ever see Omar do flips out onto the diamond? I didn't think so. How can you compare the two? In addition, were you just badmouthing the Great Jim Rice? You're going straight to hell!! Did you not know he was the most feared hitter of his day? If you want to find out just ask any insufferable ***** of a Red Sox fan; they'll tell you.

[Mizzou]

Yeah, after thinking about it for a second I guess Alou doesn't have a chance.

 

I think Delgado will get in though. He'll have the 500 HR's, and look at his career line. It's pretty solid. His comparables are McGriff, Thomas, Bagwell, Thome, etc. During his peak (98-03), he was one of the top hitters in baseball. I'd vote for him.

[OleMissCub]

Yeah, after thinking about it for a second I guess Alou doesn't have a chance.

 

I think Delgado will get in though. He'll have the 500 HR's, and look at his career line. It's pretty solid. His comparables are McGriff, Thomas, Bagwell, Thome, etc. During his peak (98-03), he was one of the top hitters in baseball. I'd vote for him.

 

Bagwell & Thomas are superior to Delgado. I think Thome is certainly the best comparison.

[inari]

Even if Pujols was to retire today, I think he'd have to go in given the production he's had.

 

Billy Wagner should also have a strong chance.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think Delgado's about ready to go careening off of a cliff. I certainly wouldn't put him as a lock to hit 500 HRs.

[inari]

And also, I'd say that Magglio Ordonez might have a shot if he hadn't basically missed two years. Heck, he might have a shot anyway. I don't think people realize the kind of career he's had.

[DenverCubs]

Has anyone mentioned Vlad yet? He's pretty close in my mind.

[OleMissCub]

Has anyone mentioned Vlad yet? He's pretty close in my mind.

 

Vlad would easily be mentioned as a future HOF. I don't think there is any doubt. However, for the purpose of this discussion we are talking about players that are practically already there if their careers were to end this year or the next.

[DenverCubs]

Has anyone mentioned Vlad yet? He's pretty close in my mind.

 

Vlad would easily be mentioned as a future HOF. I don't think there is any doubt. However, for the purpose of this discussion we are talking about players that are practically already there if their careers were to end this year or the next.

I understand the topic.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

My list likely inclueds all of these

 

Greg Maddux

Frank Thomas

Sammy Sosa

Barry Bonds

Chipper Jones

Tom Glavine

Trevor Hoffman

Randy Johnson

Manny Ramirez

Ken Griffey Jr.

Alex Rodriguez

Pudge Rodriguez

Mike Piazza

Mariano Rivera

Derek Jeter

Pedro Martinez

 

All of those should be locks. I understand that due to the steroid issue, players like Bonds and Sosa might be left out. But, I think that entire list looks to be HOF quality to me.