Santana's been traded to a team in the northeast

[Soul]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

[David]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

 

 

You also have to factor in that he's probably going to get like 25 mil per year for 5 or 6 years. I'm not saying that makes it a bad deal, just that it's a huge element that needs to be accounted for.

[David]

The difference between the Mets having Santana and the Yankees/Red Sox is that its been 5 years since we've reached the NLCS and a mere 63 years since we've reached a World Series. I know most people have the all or nothing line of thinking, but I'd kinda like to see the Cubs at least reach one in my lifetime...

 

Same. It's not like we didn't enjoy the hell out of the 2006 Bears just because they didn't finish the deal. That was probably aided by the fact that all season I expected the Bears to reach the SB but lose, but I'd probably feel the same way about the Cubs going into a Series, unless a mediocre team managed to get through the AL.

[Guest]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

 

They got 4 of the their top 7 but it was 2, 3, 5 and 7 or some combination like that. They didn't even get #1. I saw them saying this on ESPN and it's a stupid way of making what the Mets gave up look better when what they gave up was not at all a steep price. (By the way, I'm tired of seeing the media say the Mets paid a steep price for Santana. They didn't. Quantity isn't quality. Quit saying it.)

[Tyrant]

They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

You sure? Stats wise, Carlos Gomez looks like a girl.

[BigbadB]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

 

They got 4 of the their top 7 but it was 2, 3, 5 and 7 or some combination like that. They didn't even get #1. I saw them saying this on ESPN and it's a stupid way of making what the Mets gave up look better when what they gave up was not at all a steep price. (By the way, I'm tired of seeing the media say the Mets paid a steep price for Santana. They didn't. Quantity isn't quality. Quit saying it.)

 

Not sure if there is a metric to grade each teams top 7 or even top 10, but wouldn't the Mets be pretty far down the list as far as best "top 7's" in baseball?

 

Surely, to get those same top prospects from the Yankees or Boston would have been a much nicer looking package, IMO.

[SouthSideRyan]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

 

They got 4 of the their top 7 but it was 2, 3, 5 and 7 or some combination like that. They didn't even get #1. I saw them saying this on ESPN and it's a stupid way of making what the Mets gave up look better when what they gave up was not at all a steep price. (By the way, I'm tired of seeing the media say the Mets paid a steep price for Santana. They didn't. Quantity isn't quality. Quit saying it.)

 

To mainstream media that's all they are. Every prospect is exactly the same. Unless they've had a cup of coffee in the majors and did well in it.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Cub fans should be ticked off. We should have gotten Santana. I'm furious. I know I wont get any sleep tonight. I'm going to call Hendry's office tomorrow and go balistic.

 

And a lot of fans of other teams are thinking the same thing. Fortunately for your sanity our offers would not have been able to hang with offers from the Sox and Yanks.

 

---Yeah I agree with that Meph but (although I don't know much about the players that the Mets gave up), I think we could have offered Minnesota more. I hope Santana hates New York and asks it get out of his contract, and eventually files for free agency.

 

If you don't know anything about the players involved, how can you possibly say we could have offered more? Those four players could be better than our top four prospects for all you know. I didn't think any Cubs fans seriously thought we were contenders for Santana's services. I was pretty sure we were not getting him when I heard we weren't a team on the list he wished to be traded to. That might preclude ol' Jim from trading for him. You might want to wait and think about it before you make that call to his office.

 

--Chill out Penguin, I already acknowledged that I didn't know anything about the players that the Twins got. All I know, is that a 1-2 (Venezulan) combination of Santana and Z, would be pretty hard to beat. I want the Cubs to improve in their rotation so we can keep up with the likes of Arizona (Webb and Haren), not just Milwaukee and the rest of the division. I want a Cub team that is going to be able to dominate the NL, and match up well with the AL.

[Soul]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

 

They got 4 of the their top 7 but it was 2, 3, 5 and 7 or some combination like that. They didn't even get #1. I saw them saying this on ESPN and it's a stupid way of making what the Mets gave up look better when what they gave up was not at all a steep price. (By the way, I'm tired of seeing the media say the Mets paid a steep price for Santana. They didn't. Quantity isn't quality. Quit saying it.)

 

Not sure if there is a metric to grade each teams top 7 or even top 10, but wouldn't the Mets be pretty far down the list as far as best "top 7's" in baseball?

 

Surely, to get those same top prospects from the Yankees or Boston would have been a much nicer looking package, IMO.

 

Oh hell yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking too. If that's 4 of their top 7, then their minor league system must be pretty bad. I've heard some others say that this was possibly the 4th best offer the Twins received too. I wonder if the better 3 offers were all from A.L. teams -- which might make sense just to get Santana out of the A.L.

[Guest]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

 

They got 4 of the their top 7 but it was 2, 3, 5 and 7 or some combination like that. They didn't even get #1. I saw them saying this on ESPN and it's a stupid way of making what the Mets gave up look better when what they gave up was not at all a steep price. (By the way, I'm tired of seeing the media say the Mets paid a steep price for Santana. They didn't. Quantity isn't quality. Quit saying it.)

 

Not sure if there is a metric to grade each teams top 7 or even top 10, but wouldn't the Mets be pretty far down the list as far as best "top 7's" in baseball?

 

Surely, to get those same top prospects from the Yankees or Boston would have been a much nicer looking package, IMO.

 

Oh hell yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking too. If that's 4 of their top 7, then their minor league system must be pretty bad. I've heard some others say that this was possibly the 4th best offer the Twins received too. I wonder if the better 3 offers were all from A.L. teams -- which might make sense just to get Santana out of the A.L.

 

I don't understand the logic behind taking a lesser package to make sure he leaves the league.

[Soul]

So apparently baseball america or some organization was touting that the Twins got "4 of the Mets top 7" prospects in this deal.

 

I'm looking at their minor league stats and seeing nothing spectacular at all. They all just look like guys to me, stats wise.

 

It looks very much to me that the Mets got Santana for a group of medium prospects. Unless Santana gets injured or his arm wears down, this is a good deal for the Mets, IMO.

 

They got 4 of the their top 7 but it was 2, 3, 5 and 7 or some combination like that. They didn't even get #1. I saw them saying this on ESPN and it's a stupid way of making what the Mets gave up look better when what they gave up was not at all a steep price. (By the way, I'm tired of seeing the media say the Mets paid a steep price for Santana. They didn't. Quantity isn't quality. Quit saying it.)

 

Not sure if there is a metric to grade each teams top 7 or even top 10, but wouldn't the Mets be pretty far down the list as far as best "top 7's" in baseball?

 

Surely, to get those same top prospects from the Yankees or Boston would have been a much nicer looking package, IMO.

 

Oh hell yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking too. If that's 4 of their top 7, then their minor league system must be pretty bad. I've heard some others say that this was possibly the 4th best offer the Twins received too. I wonder if the better 3 offers were all from A.L. teams -- which might make sense just to get Santana out of the A.L.

 

I don't understand the logic behind taking a lesser package to make sure he leaves the league.

 

So he doesn't match up against you (or at least not as often). I wasn't saying it's a great idea, I'm just trying to figure out why they would take a lesser package.

[Guest]

Ok, I take it back. I understand the logic, it's just awful.

[Soul]

The other thing is -- maybe the Twins know something we don't. I've respected their ability to develop young players in the past. Perhaps they see in a couple of these guys the kinds of things that the Mets don't know how to bring out.

 

I don't know, I'm grasping. I'd be upset if I was a Twins fan right now.

[Post Count Padder]

According to the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch, the Twins came back to the Yankees with an offer of Johan Santana for Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and a prospect on Monday, only to be turned down.

 

If true, the Yankees declined the chance to acquire Santana without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Klapisch also believes the Red Sox had both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester off the table by the time the Twins chose to accept the Mets' offer.

[Burtonbell]

According to the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch, the Twins came back to the Yankees with an offer of Johan Santana for Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and a prospect on Monday, only to be turned down.

 

If true, the Yankees declined the chance to acquire Santana without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Klapisch also believes the Red Sox had both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester off the table by the time the Twins chose to accept the Mets' offer.

 

#-o :shock: Wow...

[sneakypower]

I'd like to defend the Twins, but they're set to go to opening day with Everett, Lamb, Harris in their IF. Gross.

[BigbadB]

According to the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch, the Twins came back to the Yankees with an offer of Johan Santana for Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and a prospect on Monday, only to be turned down.

 

If true, the Yankees declined the chance to acquire Santana without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Klapisch also believes the Red Sox had both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester off the table by the time the Twins chose to accept the Mets' offer.

 

#-o :shock: Wow...

 

The strangest part of all these rumors is that the package got worse and worse as time wore on. Typically, and especially once other players are no longer available due to free agent signings or trades that have already happened, teams get a little more spendy to ensure they get what they want.

 

Why on Earth would the Yankees turn down that deal?

[sneakypower]

Because "Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch" is probably blowing smoke.

[Post Count Padder]

Because "Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch" is probably blowing smoke.

He's usually pretty good.

[sneakypower]

His name looks like an anagram of Plaschke so I don't trust him.

[CubinNY]

His name looks like an anagram of Plaschke so I don't trust him.

That's funny.

[Clem Fandango]

According to the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch, the Twins came back to the Yankees with an offer of Johan Santana for Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and a prospect on Monday, only to be turned down.

 

If true, the Yankees declined the chance to acquire Santana without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Klapisch also believes the Red Sox had both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester off the table by the time the Twins chose to accept the Mets' offer.

 

#-o :shock: Wow...

 

The strangest part of all these rumors is that the package got worse and worse as time wore on. Typically, and especially once other players are no longer available due to free agent signings or trades that have already happened, teams get a little more spendy to ensure they get what they want.

 

Why on Earth would the Yankees turn down that deal?

 

Because Melky Cabrera is more valuable than God. Didn't you get the memo?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

According to the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch, the Twins came back to the Yankees with an offer of Johan Santana for Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and a prospect on Monday, only to be turned down.

 

If true, the Yankees declined the chance to acquire Santana without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Klapisch also believes the Red Sox had both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester off the table by the time the Twins chose to accept the Mets' offer.

 

#-o :shock: Wow...

 

The strangest part of all these rumors is that the package got worse and worse as time wore on. Typically, and especially once other players are no longer available due to free agent signings or trades that have already happened, teams get a little more spendy to ensure they get what they want.

 

Why on Earth would the Yankees turn down that deal?

 

 

I don't think their heart was ever in to committing that much money to a pitcher. As long as he's not headed to Boston they're happy.

[Mephistopheles]

According to the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch, the Twins came back to the Yankees with an offer of Johan Santana for Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and a prospect on Monday, only to be turned down.

 

If true, the Yankees declined the chance to acquire Santana without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Klapisch also believes the Red Sox had both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester off the table by the time the Twins chose to accept the Mets' offer.

 

#-o :shock: Wow...

 

The strangest part of all these rumors is that the package got worse and worse as time wore on. Typically, and especially once other players are no longer available due to free agent signings or trades that have already happened, teams get a little more spendy to ensure they get what they want.

 

Why on Earth would the Yankees turn down that deal?

 

 

I don't think their heart was ever in to committing that much money to a pitcher. As long as he's not headed to Boston they're happy.

 

 

They gave 90 mil to Mussina in 2000

[CardsFanInChiTown]

That was a long time ago. The Yankees philosophy has evolved.