SUPER BOWL XLII Thread: Pats and Giants

[dew1679666265]

That pass play will go down as one of the top Super Bowl moments in history. I can see it being replayed as much as the Titans coming up short against the Rams.

 

That final drive by the Giants was eerily familiar to the Titans' final drive in 99. All the way to Eli evading what should have been an easy sack and bombing a completion to Tyree (compared to McNair evading Kevin Carter and another Ram hitting him at the same time and then hitting Derrick Mason at the 10).

 

Too bad the Titan ending didn't go as well as this one...

[imb]

A quarterback, knocked for his entire career, caps off a great 6 week run with a win over one of the best teams in Super Bowl history in one of the better Super Bowls in the last decade, of course Truffle would spend the rest of his weekend complaining about it. That makes sense. Go do something fun, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

[OleMissCub]

the wounded duck to tyree was an awful pass that happened to settle into the right place.

 

Yeah, the wounded duck Eli threw after fighting through what should have been a sack a few times. And, after he evaded multiple Pats, he threw a rifle that Tyree snagged on his helmet. Was it the greatest throw? No, but it got to the receiver and was highly unlikely to be picked.

 

Truffle, c'mon, wounded duck? That was a beautiful pass under the circumstances.

[TruffleShuffle]

It was pretty clear on the replay that Burress completely stopped his route after Eli threw the ball. It was simple miscomunication between them - something that happened to Brady multiple times tonight.

 

i still think that he put too much on the pass, even if burress had kept running downfield. i don't really blame eli; he's a pocket passer who was trying to make a tough throw on the run. but it was a play that could've been made.

 

Yeah, the wounded duck Eli threw after fighting through what should have been a sack a few times. And, after he evaded multiple Pats, he threw a rifle that Tyree snagged on his helmet. Was it the greatest throw? No, but it got to the receiver and was highly unlikely to be picked.

 

not that one - the one that was like one or two plays later, where tyree almost made the grab on the left side.

 

the deep ball was a fine decision; a little bit of risk in that play, but you're down 4 and it's third down, and if that was the best option then so be it. btw i blame the pats for poor tackling on that play more than i give credit to eli for getting out of trouble. there were two guys that should've had him on the ground pretty easily, and didn't get him. it's not like eli is michael vick or vince young out there; if you get your hands on him you should put him on the turf.

 

and speaking of bad tackling, did anyone think rodney harrison had a pretty lousy game? his tackling was fairly poor, especially on that long pass to kevin boss. it looked like he was trying to play grab-ass more than actually wrap him up.

[dew1679666265]

the wounded duck to tyree was an awful pass that happened to settle into the right place.

 

Yeah, the wounded duck Eli threw after fighting through what should have been a sack a few times. And, after he evaded multiple Pats, he threw a rifle that Tyree snagged on his helmet. Was it the greatest throw? No, but it got to the receiver and was highly unlikely to be picked.

 

Truffle, c'mon, wounded duck? That was a beautiful pass under the circumstances.

 

It was thrown quite high, but it was a strong throw that was unlikely to be picked. Couple that with him having evaded what he evaded, and I'll excuse it not being a perfect spiral.

[OleMissCub]

 

It was thrown quite high

 

As it should have been.

[TruffleShuffle]

A quarterback, knocked for his entire career, caps off a great 6 week run with a win over one of the best teams in Super Bowl history in one of the better Super Bowls in the last decade, of course Truffle would spend the rest of his weekend complaining about it. That makes sense. Go do something fun, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

embarrassing myself? i'm not the one calling it one of the best super bowl performances in history. i'm not the one creaming himself over 17 points when their defense held the most prolific offense of all-time to just 14 points. if you want to talk about a great game, let's talk about the giants' front four and secondary, not eli manning.

[OleMissCub]

 

and speaking of bad tackling, did anyone think rodney harrison had a pretty lousy game? his tackling was fairly poor, especially on that long pass to kevin boss. it looked like he was trying to play grab-ass more than actually wrap him up.

 

He's definitely starting to show his age.

[imb]

A quarterback, knocked for his entire career, caps off a great 6 week run with a win over one of the best teams in Super Bowl history in one of the better Super Bowls in the last decade, of course Truffle would spend the rest of his weekend complaining about it. That makes sense. Go do something fun, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

embarrassing myself? i'm not the one calling it one of the best super bowl performances in history. i'm not the one creaming himself over 17 points when their defense held the most prolific offense of all-time to just 14 points. if you want to talk about a great game, let's talk about the giants' front four and secondary, not eli manning.

 

there's a difference between "creaming yourself over 17 points" and giving a man some credit. You'd think that after you just spent the last two months acting like no one could even touch the Patriots that you'd be willing to say a little "well done" instead of acting like a baby.

[OleMissCub]

I want to "Ric Flair chest slap" Bill Belichik.

 

WOOOO!!!

[dew1679666265]

 

It was thrown quite high

 

As it should have been.

 

Yeah, but it was very nearly too high. A good throw, but not perfect.

[TruffleShuffle]

A quarterback, knocked for his entire career, caps off a great 6 week run with a win over one of the best teams in Super Bowl history in one of the better Super Bowls in the last decade, of course Truffle would spend the rest of his weekend complaining about it. That makes sense. Go do something fun, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

embarrassing myself? i'm not the one calling it one of the best super bowl performances in history. i'm not the one creaming himself over 17 points when their defense held the most prolific offense of all-time to just 14 points. if you want to talk about a great game, let's talk about the giants' front four and secondary, not eli manning.

 

there's a difference between "creaming yourself over 17 points" and giving a man some credit. You'd think that after you just spent the last two months acting like no one could even touch the Patriots that you'd be willing to say a little "well done" instead of acting like a baby.

 

what are you talking about? i said that he played fine. he made a few risky throws that didn't end up costing him; he also made some good plays. i certainly knew that another team could score 17 points on the patriots; i didn't think that a defense could hold them to only 14. i guess i shouldn't expect everyone to understand this, since it's a baseball board, but a lot of the time there are parts of a team, aside from the quarterback, that are the key to winning the game.

[dew1679666265]

It was pretty clear on the replay that Burress completely stopped his route after Eli threw the ball. It was simple miscomunication between them - something that happened to Brady multiple times tonight.

 

i still think that he put too much on the pass, even if burress had kept running downfield. i don't really blame eli; he's a pocket passer who was trying to make a tough throw on the run. but it was a play that could've been made.

 

There's no question in my mind if Burress keeps running at full speed that's a catch in stride. The problem is, Burress thought Eli was going to dart one in to him and not loft it. He came to a complete stop and turned around - slowing him down by at least a couple of steps and he still nearly got his fingertips on the pass after diving.

 

not that one - the one that was like one or two plays later, where tyree almost made the grab on the left side.

 

Fair enough, you've got me on that one. I can't remember it specifically and there's no video up yet. Still though, to say that wasn't a great last drive performance is being a bit ultra critical.

And agreed on the poor tackling by the Pats. If that's Vince or Vick, missing the tackle is much more excusable. There's never a good reason not to tackle a Manning.

[dew1679666265]

A quarterback, knocked for his entire career, caps off a great 6 week run with a win over one of the best teams in Super Bowl history in one of the better Super Bowls in the last decade, of course Truffle would spend the rest of his weekend complaining about it. That makes sense. Go do something fun, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

embarrassing myself? i'm not the one calling it one of the best super bowl performances in history. i'm not the one creaming himself over 17 points when their defense held the most prolific offense of all-time to just 14 points. if you want to talk about a great game, let's talk about the giants' front four and secondary, not eli manning.

 

there's a difference between "creaming yourself over 17 points" and giving a man some credit. You'd think that after you just spent the last two months acting like no one could even touch the Patriots that you'd be willing to say a little "well done" instead of acting like a baby.

 

what are you talking about? i said that he played fine. he made a few risky throws that didn't end up costing him; he also made some good plays. i certainly knew that another team could score 17 points on the patriots; i didn't think that a defense could hold them to only 14. i guess i shouldn't expect everyone to understand this, since it's a baseball board, but a lot of the time there are parts of a team, aside from the quarterback, that are the key to winning the game.

 

I would have been perfectly fine with Tuck, Umenyiora and Strahan sharing the MVP. Spagnuolo (sp?) had some great blitzes prepared and the D-line played awesome - something they absolutely had to do to win. But, without Eli's play on that final drive the awesome defensive effort was a waste.

 

It wasn't a great game by Eli (it was good), but it was a great final drive.

[TruffleShuffle]

 

and speaking of bad tackling, did anyone think rodney harrison had a pretty lousy game? his tackling was fairly poor, especially on that long pass to kevin boss. it looked like he was trying to play grab-ass more than actually wrap him up.

 

He's definitely starting to show his age.

 

IIRC, a linebacker chased down Boss on that play, meaning that he was pretty much outrunning harrison. rodney was also the one who got beat on that deep ball to tyree; it wasn't a particularly hard play for a defender... all you have to do is get high enough to touch the ball and it's an incomplete pass. i think the pats need to add some athleticism on that defense; guys like harrison, vrabel, bruschi and seau are definitely slowing down.

[dew1679666265]

 

and speaking of bad tackling, did anyone think rodney harrison had a pretty lousy game? his tackling was fairly poor, especially on that long pass to kevin boss. it looked like he was trying to play grab-ass more than actually wrap him up.

 

He's definitely starting to show his age.

 

IIRC, a linebacker chased down Boss on that play, meaning that he was pretty much outrunning harrison. rodney was also the one who got beat on that deep ball to tyree; it wasn't a particularly hard play for a defender... all you have to do is get high enough to touch the ball and it's an incomplete pass. i think the pats need to add some athleticism on that defense; guys like harrison, vrabel, bruschi and seau are definitely slowing down.

 

They absolutely have to get younger. Teams showed this year that if you attacked the old linebackers, you could move the ball on the Pats' defense. Vrabel, Bruschi and Seau were great once, but can't last an entire game anymore.

[imb]

A quarterback, knocked for his entire career, caps off a great 6 week run with a win over one of the best teams in Super Bowl history in one of the better Super Bowls in the last decade, of course Truffle would spend the rest of his weekend complaining about it. That makes sense. Go do something fun, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

 

embarrassing myself? i'm not the one calling it one of the best super bowl performances in history. i'm not the one creaming himself over 17 points when their defense held the most prolific offense of all-time to just 14 points. if you want to talk about a great game, let's talk about the giants' front four and secondary, not eli manning.

 

there's a difference between "creaming yourself over 17 points" and giving a man some credit. You'd think that after you just spent the last two months acting like no one could even touch the Patriots that you'd be willing to say a little "well done" instead of acting like a baby.

 

what are you talking about? i said that he played fine. he made a few risky throws that didn't end up costing him; he also made some good plays. i certainly knew that another team could score 17 points on the patriots; i didn't think that a defense could hold them to only 14. i guess i shouldn't expect everyone to understand this, since it's a baseball board, but a lot of the time there are parts of a team, aside from the quarterback, that are the key to winning the game.

 

First off, you can cut it out with the "you must not understand football as well as I do" stuff. If you want to lay claim to NSBB's greatest complainer, that's another story.

 

If the Patriots won, you'd spend the next couple weeks talking about how annoying it is that we have to hear about them all day. Instead, the Giants won and it's instantly "Eli isn't good, you guys are wrong", "oh god tell the dolphins to shut up" "blah, blah, blah".

 

Though, I guess I'd be pissed if I spent the last two months proclaiming the Patriots as the greatest team in NFL history, only to see them get beat by a QB that "is not good". Let's hear some more expert commentary from you.

[TruffleShuffle]

I would have been perfectly fine with Tuck, Umenyiora and Strahan sharing the MVP. Spagnuolo (sp?) had some great blitzes prepared and the D-line played awesome - something they absolutely had to do to win. But, without Eli's play on that final drive the awesome defensive effort was a waste.

 

yeah the offensive guys always get the accolades though, especially the QB/RB. so it goes. i think most people who really understand football know that it was the giants' defense that won the game, even though i'm sure 80% of the game analysis will focus on eli manning.

 

spagnuolo might've just gotten himself the redskins' head coaching job. when your defense neutralizes three of the top four offenses in the league, and then holds the best offense ever to 14 points on the biggest stage, people have to notice. he was blessed with an excellent front four, no doubt, but their linebackers are mediocre and their secondary is not nearly as talented as they looked late in the year. he did a great job with their schemes, he's fairly young (48) and is a disciple of jim johnson, the eagles' defensive cooordinator - who is highly regarded, and would be a head coach if not for his age (66).

 

the only thing that will piss me off is spagnuolo helping one of our division rivals win the super bowl, and then going to be head coach of another division rival. can't you go to the afc or something?

[dew1679666265]

I would have been perfectly fine with Tuck, Umenyiora and Strahan sharing the MVP. Spagnuolo (sp?) had some great blitzes prepared and the D-line played awesome - something they absolutely had to do to win. But, without Eli's play on that final drive the awesome defensive effort was a waste.

 

yeah the offensive guys always get the accolades though, especially the QB/RB. so it goes. i think most people who really understand football know that it was the giants' defense that won the game, even though i'm sure 80% of the game analysis will focus on eli manning.

 

spagnuolo might've just gotten himself the redskins' head coaching job. when your defense neutralizes three of the top four offenses in the league, and then holds the best offense ever to 14 points on the biggest stage, people have to notice. he was blessed with an excellent front four, no doubt, but their linebackers are mediocre and their secondary is not nearly as talented as they looked late in the year. he did a great job with their schemes, he's fairly young (48) and is a disciple of jim johnson, the eagles' defensive cooordinator - who is highly regarded, and would be a head coach if not for his age (66).

 

the only thing that will piss me off is spagnuolo helping one of our division rivals win the super bowl, and then going to be head coach of another division rival. can't you go to the afc or something?

 

Yeah, at this point it would be a crime for the Redskins to choose Mariucci over Spagnuolo. I actually like Antonio Pierce, but the rest of the LBs are pretty average (though I think Gerris Wilkinson has a chance to develop).

 

The secondary has a bunch of great tacklers (Gibril Wilson, Sam Madison, etc), but nobody who can cover anybody. The D-line and blitzes hid the weakness of the secondary all night. If the Giants can find a good cover corner and keep the line intact, watch out.

[imb]

Hey guys, the Giants held a historic offense to only 14 points in their Super Bowl win, only us hardcore, enlightened football fans will realize that they were the biggest key to the victory. Somebody call John Clayton and tell him that his services will no longer be needed.

[ctcf]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/CTCubsFan/lolwojo.jpg

 

lawl

[TruffleShuffle]

If the Patriots won, you'd spend the next couple weeks talking about how annoying it is that we have to hear about them all day.

 

uh not really. i actually like the patriots, and i wouldn't mind hearing that talked about.

 

Though, I guess I'd be pissed if I spent the last two months proclaiming the Patriots as the greatest team in NFL history, only to see them get beat by a QB that "is not good". Let's hear some more expert commentary from you.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-01-28-computer-projection_N.htm

 

if you play that game 10 times, the pats probably win 8. today was the giants' day, but they're not as good as the patriots. much like the 2006 cards were not as good as a lot of the teams that they played. as for eli manning not being good, i guess if you ignore stuff like statistics then i can see how he'd be a good quarterback.

 

and besides, at least i am willing to make a prediction. i'm guessing you thought the patriots would win too, but since you didn't say it, people can't really call you on it.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hey guys, the Giants held a historic offense to only 14 points in their Super Bowl win, only us hardcore, enlightened football fans will realize that they were the biggest key to the victory. Somebody call John Clayton and tell him that his services will no longer be needed.

 

most of the posts after the game on this board, and most of the talk on tv, was about eli manning and not the giants' defense. you're being stupid.

[imb]

If the Patriots won, you'd spend the next couple weeks talking about how annoying it is that we have to hear about them all day.

 

uh not really. i actually like the patriots, and i wouldn't mind hearing that talked about.

 

Though, I guess I'd be pissed if I spent the last two months proclaiming the Patriots as the greatest team in NFL history, only to see them get beat by a QB that "is not good". Let's hear some more expert commentary from you.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-01-28-computer-projection_N.htm

 

if you play that game 10 times, the pats probably win 8. today was the giants' day, but they're not as good as the patriots. much like the 2006 cards were not as good as a lot of the teams that they played. as for eli manning not being good, i guess if you ignore stuff like statistics then i can see how he'd be a good quarterback.

 

and besides, at least i am willing to make a prediction. i'm guessing you thought the patriots would win too, but since you didn't say it, people can't really call you on it.

 

Incredible analysis. The Patriots are the better team? How thin is that limb? Of course I thought the Patriots would win, I'm sure if you wanted to dig through 20 weeks worth of NFL threads you'd probably find me predicting them to win the Super Bowl in a walk.

 

There's a difference, of course, between predicting a Patriots win and acting like no one in the NFL stood a chance against them. And there's a difference between saying "Eli had a good game" and saying that Eli is an elite quarterback, or whatever you're arguing against. You're just acting like a baby.

[OleMissCub]

people can't really call you on it.

 

I called it! :-)

 

Giants for the biggest upset in history.

 

Hotty Toddy.