congrats, florida!

[rawaction]

What about the fact that you are asking 18-22 year olds STUDENTS to play 3 games in addition to the 12 regular season games, and possibly a conference championship game? They'd be playing way into January. If you cut out regular season games, then you lose some of what determines the top 8 teams.

[CubinNY]

Where's the Big East?

I'd disband the conference and fold:

 

 

Pac 10 (10 schools)

Big 12 (12 schools)

SEC (12 schools)

 

ACC (9 schools)+:

Pitt

WVU

Syracuse

 

Big 10 (11 schools)+:

ND

 

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

[abuck1220]

What about the fact that you are asking 18-22 year olds STUDENTS to play 3 games in addition to the 12 regular season games, and possibly a conference championship game? They'd be playing way into January. If you cut out regular season games, then you lose some of what determines the top 8 teams.

 

not if you cut out one game the top teams play against garbage teams. and if they didn't break for six weeks after the end of the regular season, they wouldn't have to play so late.

[jersey cubs fan]

What about the fact that you are asking 18-22 year olds STUDENTS to play 3 games in addition to the 12 regular season games, and possibly a conference championship game? They'd be playing way into January. If you cut out regular season games, then you lose some of what determines the top 8 teams.

 

I really don't think it makes a difference. Some high school teams play that long. Basketball encompasses almost the entire school year. You're asking a handful of student athletes to play a few more weekend games.

[rawaction]

What about the fact that you are asking 18-22 year olds STUDENTS to play 3 games in addition to the 12 regular season games, and possibly a conference championship game? They'd be playing way into January. If you cut out regular season games, then you lose some of what determines the top 8 teams.

 

not if you cut out one game the top teams play against garbage teams. and if they didn't break for six weeks after the end of the regular season, they wouldn't have to play so late.

 

Still, you have a 14-15 game season. And then you have players playing into finals week.

[jersey cubs fan]

Where's the Big East?

I'd disband the conference and fold:

 

 

Pac 10 (10 schools)

Big 12 (12 schools)

SEC (12 schools)

 

ACC (9 schools)+:

Pitt

WVU

Syracuse

 

Big 10 (11 schools)+:

ND

 

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Eliminating them from title contention?

[Derwood]

first, only TWO teams would play 15 games. FOUR would play 14 games.

 

Second, it works in I-AA on down.

 

third, no one bitches about extending the 30 game college basketball season into 3 game pre-season tourneys, then 3-4 game conference tourneys, then up to 6 more games over 3 weekends in March

[Guest]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

[CubinNY]

Where's the Big East?

I'd disband the conference and fold:

 

 

Pac 10 (10 schools)

Big 12 (12 schools)

SEC (12 schools)

 

ACC (9 schools)+:

Pitt

WVU

Syracuse

 

Big 10 (11 schools)+:

ND

 

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Eliminating them from title contention?

They have the division 1b title game to compete for. :D

 

In reality it wouldn't be hard for me to be persuaded to move the entire conference to division 1b.

[CubinNY]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

[bukie]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

How long has South Florida been Division 1? 7 years? And they are already competing this year. Louisville competed the prior 2 years, Cincinnati and UConn were top 25 teams this year, and Rutgers was top 10 last year.

 

So yes, ridiculous.

 

EDIT: Also not sure in which world the ACC has 9 schools.

Edited January 3, 2008 by bukie

[rawaction]

first, only TWO teams would play 15 games. FOUR would play 14 games.

 

Second, it works in I-AA on down.

 

third, no one bitches about extending the 30 game college basketball season into 3 game pre-season tourneys, then 3-4 game conference tourneys, then up to 6 more games over 3 weekends in March

 

When they start allowing basketball players to run full speed into each other violently and still play 2-3 games a week, then they will.

[jersey cubs fan]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

 

Neither can Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Miami, Notre Dame, Maryland, Wake Forest, NC, NC State, Duke, Syracuse, Iowa State, Baylor, Nebraska, Vanderbilt, Mississippi, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, South Carolina, UCLA, Cal.

[jersey cubs fan]

first, only TWO teams would play 15 games. FOUR would play 14 games.

 

Second, it works in I-AA on down.

 

third, no one bitches about extending the 30 game college basketball season into 3 game pre-season tourneys, then 3-4 game conference tourneys, then up to 6 more games over 3 weekends in March

 

When they start allowing basketball players to run full speed into each other violently and still play 2-3 games a week, then they will.

 

High School and college football teams already play 14-15 game seasons in some parts.

[CubinNY]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

How long has South Florida been Division 1? 7 years? And they are already competing this year. Louisville competed the prior 2 years, Cincinnati and UConn were top 25 teams this year, and Rutgers was top 10 last year.

 

So yes, ridiculous.

They cannot even compete for a conference title year in and year out. They are mostly below .500 teams with an occasional good season. As soon as Louisville and Rutgers lost their coaches they became also-rans.

[CubColtPacer]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

 

Two of those teams (South Florida and UConn) have made great strides despite being in Division 1 only 5 years or so, including both of them being ranked this year. I don't see how they have proven they can't compete year in and year out.

 

Another one (Louisville) has been one of the better college football teams in the nation most of the last few years.

 

And does the Big 10 now have to add ND for basketball as well? It's not like ND can join the Big East for football now that you've disbanded it.

 

I assume you're kicking the other 3 independent teams down to 1-B and making them join conferences as well?

 

Plus, if you're going to kick out teams for poor play, then some of the teams in the other conferences should go down to 1-B as well. I don't know why the Big East teams would get singled out when teams like Indiana, Vanderbilt, Baylor, and Stanford have been as bad or worse over the years.

[rawaction]

What about the fact that you are asking 18-22 year olds STUDENTS to play 3 games in addition to the 12 regular season games, and possibly a conference championship game? They'd be playing way into January. If you cut out regular season games, then you lose some of what determines the top 8 teams.

 

I really don't think it makes a difference. Some high school teams play that long. Basketball encompasses almost the entire school year. You're asking a handful of student athletes to play a few more weekend games.

 

In what state? Most states play their state championship Thanksgiving weekend. Basketball is a totally different animal. NBA plays 82 games, plus playoffs. NCAA plays 40 if you're lucky enough go deep in pre-and post season tourneys. This scenario would have college players playing 14-15 games, to the NFLs 16.

[bukie]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

 

Neither can Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Miami, Notre Dame, Maryland, Wake Forest, NC, NC State, Duke, Syracuse, Iowa State, Baylor, Nebraska, Vanderbilt, Mississippi, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, South Carolina, UCLA, Cal.

Yes, at that rate, we should just limit Division 1 to Ohio State, Michigan, USC, LSU, Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia, Florida State and Virginia Tech, let those 10 teams play in a season, and crown that division winner the national champions.

[CubColtPacer]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

How long has South Florida been Division 1? 7 years? And they are already competing this year. Louisville competed the prior 2 years, Cincinnati and UConn were top 25 teams this year, and Rutgers was top 10 last year.

 

So yes, ridiculous.

They cannot even compete for a conference title year in and year out. They are mostly below .500 teams with an occasional good season. As soon as Louisville and Rutgers lost their coaches they became also-rans.

 

Rutgers didn't lose their coach.

 

And as someone else said, the ACC already has 12 teams and has had 12 for a few years now.

[jersey cubs fan]

What about the fact that you are asking 18-22 year olds STUDENTS to play 3 games in addition to the 12 regular season games, and possibly a conference championship game? They'd be playing way into January. If you cut out regular season games, then you lose some of what determines the top 8 teams.

 

I really don't think it makes a difference. Some high school teams play that long. Basketball encompasses almost the entire school year. You're asking a handful of student athletes to play a few more weekend games.

 

In what state? Most states play their state championship Thanksgiving weekend. Basketball is a totally different animal. NBA plays 82 games, plus playoffs. NCAA plays 40 if you're lucky enough go deep in pre-and post season tourneys. This scenario would have college players playing 14-15 games, to the NFLs 16.

 

Some states play TDay weekend, others just begin that weekend.

 

There's no rhyme or reason to your numbers there, but if you are going to be fair, you should talk about the 4 preseason NFL games and 3-4 playoff games. NFL players are asked to play 23-24 games in a year.

[abuck1220]

i guess i'm just not convinced that two extra games is some kind of tipping point where smashing into each other becomes overly dangerous. 13 games is ok, but 14-15 is too much?

[CubinNY]

To division I-b:

UConn

Cinc.

Rutgers

Louisville

South Florida

 

Haha, ridiculous.

What is so ridiculous? They cannot compete year in and year out.

 

Two of those teams (South Florida and UConn) have made great strides despite being in Division 1 only 5 years or so, including both of them being ranked this year. I don't see how they have proven they can't compete year in and year out.

 

Another one (Louisville) has been one of the better college football teams in the nation most of the last few years.

 

And does the Big 10 now have to add ND for basketball as well? It's not like ND can join the Big East for football now that you've disbanded it.

 

I assume you're kicking the other 3 independent teams down to 1-B and making them join conferences as well?

 

Plus, if you're going to kick out teams for poor play, then some of the teams in the other conferences should go down to 1-B as well. I don't know why the Big East teams would get singled out when teams like Indiana, Vanderbilt, Baylor, and Stanford have been as bad or worse over the years.

I'm not real serious here. Anyway, I think a case can be made that teams that have been in D1 for five years or less should be sent packing. It's not like they have a history, strong following, or a chance.

 

If they are going to a real playoff I could get behind a system that got rid of the bottom feeders in any of the major conferences.

[rawaction]

i guess i'm just not convinced that two extra games is some kind of tipping point where smashing into each other becomes overly dangerous. 13 games is ok, but 14-15 is too much?

 

It's not about being dangerous, I've never said anything to that effect, except to shoot down the comparison w/ basketball. It's still asking amateur athletes to pratice 2 more weeks, to travel 2 more times, and still expect them to be a college student. Again the NFL only plays 16. No other college sport plays that many games compared to its professional counterparts.

[rawaction]

What about the fact that you are asking 18-22 year olds STUDENTS to play 3 games in addition to the 12 regular season games, and possibly a conference championship game? They'd be playing way into January. If you cut out regular season games, then you lose some of what determines the top 8 teams.

 

I really don't think it makes a difference. Some high school teams play that long. Basketball encompasses almost the entire school year. You're asking a handful of student athletes to play a few more weekend games.

 

In what state? Most states play their state championship Thanksgiving weekend. Basketball is a totally different animal. NBA plays 82 games, plus playoffs. NCAA plays 40 if you're lucky enough go deep in pre-and post season tourneys. This scenario would have college players playing 14-15 games, to the NFLs 16.

 

Some states play TDay weekend, others just begin that weekend.

 

There's no rhyme or reason to your numbers there, but if you are going to be fair, you should talk about the 4 preseason NFL games and 3-4 playoff games. NFL players are asked to play 23-24 games in a year.

 

You mean the 4 preseason games in which starters typically play the equivalent of 1 game? Also, of the 12 playoff teams, 8 rested their starters for at least a 1/2 the last week of the season. NE and NYG would have had the Patriots had 1 loss. College doesn't have that luxury.

[jersey cubs fan]

i guess i'm just not convinced that two extra games is some kind of tipping point where smashing into each other becomes overly dangerous. 13 games is ok, but 14-15 is too much?

 

And on the other hand, I'm not convinced a longer tournament is going to solve anything. There will still be controversy. And quite frankly, I don't go into college football season dying to know who the national champ is going to be. I just love watching college football games. I know it's against accepted behavior, but I think the NCAA tourney is an unwieldy beast of a joke that doesn't come close to rewarding the best team in basketball. Sure it plays well on tv and is a cultural icon, but it's not the greatest thing out there. I'm the same way with NFL overtime whining. Why anybody thinks the college way is the right way is beyond me. If you don't win in the first 60 minutes, and you lose without getting a chance in OT, too freaking bad. You should have scored more when you had the chance. If you lose an early college season game and get left out of the hunt despite thinking you are the best team, oh well, don't lose next time. Championships don't really crown the best team, they crown the winner of a handful of games at most. It's awesome to win one and sucks when you lose, I'm not claiming otherwise. But the fact is that no matter the system, people are always going to be clamoring for it to be changed. I'd rather enjoy watching the games.