soriano-fukudome-murton outfield

[abuck1220]

i like it.

 

trade pie for someone good.

[Geech]

Someone other than Brian Roberts, pls.

[VVMattVV]

agreed. Trade Pie away for a significant upgrade at SS, call it an offseason.

[Sammy Sofa]

Hendry's statements so far seem to imply that Fukudome is playing RF.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Too bad Sabean's a moron and signed Rowand, Pie + Marshall might've gotten us in a conversation about Cain or Lincecum. I still like the idea of using Marshall + Pie to get a pitcher though.

[Tracer Bullet]

I love this idea, but didn't someone in the Roberts thread say that one of the reasons Fukudome chose the Cubs was their commitment to play him in RF. And Hendry basically confirmed that's where he's going to play.

 

But trading Pie for a good SS and playing Murton in one of the corners is such a great idea.

[CuseCubFan69]

Is there a SS out there that can be traded for that can be a quality player?

[abuck1220]

i just think it's essentially a given that murton will outproduce pie. i'm not as down as pie as, say, meph, but it wouldn't break my heart if he were traded.

[pitchcs]

i just think it's essentially a given that murton will outproduce pie. i'm not as down as pie as, say, meph, but it wouldn't break my heart if he were traded.

 

Me either.

[ottawacubbie]

i just think it's essentially a given that murton will outproduce pie. i'm not as down as pie as, say, meph, but it wouldn't break my heart if he were traded.

 

Me either.

 

Would Soriano consider trying CF again. If he started training for it now he may make it a full season. Just a thought, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Derwood]

Too bad Sabean's a moron and signed Rowand, Pie + Marshall might've gotten us in a conversation about Cain or Lincecum. I still like the idea of using Marshall + Pie to get a pitcher though.

 

Pie is about 20 years too young for Sabean's taste

[CubinNY]

i just think it's essentially a given that murton will outproduce pie. i'm not as down as pie as, say, meph, but it wouldn't break my heart if he were traded.

 

Me either.

 

Would Soriano consider trying CF again. If he started training for it now he may make it a full season. Just a thought, but I wouldn't count on it.

I don't think Lou would try him in CF again.

 

Lou is old school, he likes power from "power positions" and he seems to like defense up the middle. He put the screws to Barrett pretty quick in ST and he didn't last a year behind the plate when his hitting went into the crapper. I also think this factors into why Murton has been relegated to bench duty. He doesn't hit for enough power and Lou likes a "balanced" line up.

 

It's also Hendry's MO per sey (not that he actually has an MO), but he seems to try to get the manager players that fit the manager's proclivity. He is the exact opposite of Beane.

[Sammy Sofa]

Fukudome's not going to be the regular CFer.

 

Bet on it.

[imb]

Too bad Sabean's a moron and signed Rowand, Pie + Marshall might've gotten us in a conversation about Cain or Lincecum. I still like the idea of using Marshall + Pie to get a pitcher though.

 

I almost fainted

[MembersOnlyJacket]

i like it.

 

trade pie for someone good.

 

Murton is too right-handed...

[Magnetic Curses]

abuck, no matter how much you or i like it, it's just not realistic.

 

hendry don't like murton.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I'd rather have Pie's upside, speed, defense and youth than Matt Murton's dubious talents. He can hit a bit, fine--so can Kevin Mench and Geoff Jenkins. OTOH, Murton has little speed and is a truly awful defensive player. I'd much rather trade Murton + a pitcher for someone that can help this team and keep Pie in CF.

 

SD needs outfielders, I'd be very pleased if we could get them to bite on say, Murton plus Marshall for Khalil Greene.

 

As for Fukudome, there is NO chance he plays anywhere but RF. It's his position, and according to the articles I've read, he specifically chose the Cubs for the guarantee that he would get to stay in RF. I'm fine with that.

 

Soriano-Pie-Fukudome outfield--now THAT's the speediest, best defense, strongest arm outfield I can ever remember on the Cubs, by a significant longshot. I like it.

[sneakypower]

I'd rather have Pie's upside, speed, defense and youth than Matt Murton's dubious talents. He can hit a bit, fine--so can Kevin Mench and Geoff Jenkins. OTOH, Murton has little speed and is a truly awful defensive player. I'd much rather trade Murton + a pitcher for someone that can help this team and keep Pie in CF.

 

SD needs outfielders, I'd be very pleased if we could get them to bite on say, Murton plus Marshall for Khalil Greene.

 

As for Fukudome, there is NO chance he plays anywhere but RF. It's his position, and according to the articles I've read, he specifically chose the Cubs for the guarantee that he would get to stay in RF. I'm fine with that.

 

Soriano-Pie-Fukudome outfield--now THAT's the speediest, best defense, strongest arm outfield I can ever remember on the Cubs, by a significant longshot. I like it.

 

+1

[abuck1220]

if both murton and pie get regular playing time this year (somewhere), i'd be willing to bet murton outperforms pie.

[CubColtPacer]

if both murton and pie get regular playing time this year (somewhere), i'd be willing to bet murton outperforms pie.

 

I would certainly hope that a corner outfielder who has had more major league experience, is in the major leagues because of his hitting rather than his defense and is closer to his prime could outperform a younger center fielder with limited experience whose bat is the one that is still being worked on.

[abuck1220]

that's why i'd rather have murton out there than pie.

[CubColtPacer]

that's why i'd rather have murton out there than pie.

 

It's not all about 2008 though. If Pie gets that experience, he likely will be a better value than Murton by 09 (hit a little worse, but as long as it's only a little worse playing a tougher position with better defense will make up for that). Then of course there's the fact that Fukudome doesn't really want to play CF consistently.

[abuck1220]

that's why i'd rather have murton out there than pie.

 

It's not all about 2008 though. If Pie gets that experience, he likely will be a better value than Murton by 09 (hit a little worse, but as long as it's only a little worse playing a tougher position with better defense will make up for that).

 

i don't know if i agree with that though.

 

my post was originally in response to this...

 

I'd rather have Pie's upside, speed, defense and youth than Matt Murton's dubious talents.

 

which seemed to say that pie would be better than murton in '08.

[CubinNY]

I want to like Pie, but if he could help to get the Cubs Bedard and Roberts I'm all for trading him tomorrow.

 

I have little faith in the Cubs pitching staff, especially Zambrano. I think all the abuse is catching up to Big Z. Trading Pie makes the Cubs better in 2008 at least until 2010.

[jersey cubs fan]

that's why i'd rather have murton out there than pie.

 

It's not all about 2008 though. If Pie gets that experience, he likely will be a better value than Murton by 09 (hit a little worse, but as long as it's only a little worse playing a tougher position with better defense will make up for that). Then of course there's the fact that Fukudome doesn't really want to play CF consistently.

 

I think that's the debate. Many think Pie will do nothing with the bat. If that's the case, he wouldn't be a better value than Murton. Murton remains valuable as long as he's relatively "poorly" compensated and still hitting better than average. The Cubs probably only have 2008 and 2009 to take advantage of those years for Murton. Pie has more time where that should be the case.

 

Also, I'm not sure it's a fact that Fukudome doesn't want to play CF consistently. And frankly, I don't think it should matter. Mega bucks Soriano was moved all over the OF, and he was a question at all three positions. If Fukudome can play CF, then the Cubs should play him there if it allows them to field a better lineup.