Reds 75% sure they'll land Bedard

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

A Reds exec says that the team is 75% sure that they will land Erik Bedard. Apparently they are willing to give up Homer Bailey and others to get him. The cubs can't let this happen, either offer a better package to Baltimore 4 Bedard or give up the farm to get Santana. Saw this on ESPN News... Edited December 11, 2007 by Sweet Swinging Billy

[Mephistopheles]

It won't matter either way. Don't worry about it.

[Post Count Padder]

But there's a 25% chance they won't

[David]

In for Dusty destroying yet another arm.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Please give up Jay Bruce as well.

[Mephistopheles]

Bedard's going to look a lot like Rich Hill next season. At this point, there's NO difference between them. They're interchangeable. Don't worry about this. The Reds will be a non-factor if they get Bedard.

[Post Count Padder]

Please give up Jay Bruce as well.

I'd love to see them give up Bruce and Bailey and have Dusty destroy Bedard's arm and career after one season.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bruce, Bailey, and Hamilton....

[Mephistopheles]

and Votto.

 

 

Id say Adam Dunn, but more Adam Dunn on TV = Awesome

[snoodmonger]

A Reds exec says that the team is 75% sure that they will land Erik Bedard. Apparently they are willing to give up Homer Bailey and others to get him. The cubs can't let this happen, either offer a better package to Baltimore 4 Bedard or give up the farm to get Santana. Saw this on ESPN News...

 

 

that seems pretty reactionary.

[KingCubsFan]

Bedard's going to look a lot like Rich Hill next season. At this point, there's NO difference between them. They're interchangeable. Don't worry about this. The Reds will be a non-factor if they get Bedard.

Please explain this

[squally1313]

Bedard's going to look a lot like Rich Hill next season. At this point, there's NO difference between them. They're interchangeable. Don't worry about this. The Reds will be a non-factor if they get Bedard.

Please explain this

 

Second what King said. I mean, I'm sure you have plenty of statistics to back this up and everything, because I've never really seen you say something you couldn't support (outside of maybe the anti-Pie stuff), but all the statistics I'm looking at show Bedard putting up Rich Hill like numbers last year in the AL East, which is much better than the NL Central.

[UMFan83]

Please let this happen.

 

Dusty will throw Bedard until he can't pitch anymore, and the Reds won't have either Bailey, Bruce or Votto in their system.

[Outshined_One]

Doesn't Bedard have an injury history?

[Mephistopheles]

Bedard's going to look a lot like Rich Hill next season. At this point, there's NO difference between them. They're interchangeable. Don't worry about this. The Reds will be a non-factor if they get Bedard.

Please explain this

 

Second what King said. I mean, I'm sure you have plenty of statistics to back this up and everything, because I've never really seen you say something you couldn't support (outside of maybe the anti-Pie stuff), but all the statistics I'm looking at show Bedard putting up Rich Hill like numbers last year in the AL East, which is much better than the NL Central.

 

I can support PIEce of crap thing, but I choose not to. I can do this as well. It's not complicated. Career years do NOT i repeat NOT establish a new line of production. Bedard next year won't be all that different than say, aaron harang. good? of course. worth as much as some teams are offering? not even close.

[Post Count Padder]

Doesn't Bedard have an injury history?

Wouldn't stop Dusty

[ThePenguin11]

Erik Bedard has three things going for him that Rich Hill doesn't. Velocity, an effective changeup and Leo Mazzone (until 10/07, at least). Hill will not be gaining velocity and so far Rothschild hasn't been known to develop changeups for his pitchers. Even when Rich Hill was soaking in all of Maddux's expertise, he still didn't develop a mastery for the pitch or become any more dominant. In fact, I've seen very few signs of dominance out of Hill. Bedard showed signs under his first year with Mazzone and perfected it this year. I saw a lot of Bedard's work last year on MLBTV (on my fantasy team), and I would love for Hill to have a similar ceiling. I just don't see it. His K/9 and BB/9 don't seem to be translating to MLB. He'll be good, but I don't think he'll be Cy Young Award good.

[Guest]

In fact, I've seen very few signs of dominance out of Hill.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=260916116

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=260906116

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=270607115

 

Oh, and the 183 K in his first full season (good for 5th in the NL).

[Mephistopheles]

Once again the anecdotal memory fails. Erik Bedard's fastball averaged a whole 1 MPH faster than Rich Hill's, a difference but something that goes away due to Rich's better breaking ball. And Rich Hill actually threw changeups more often than Erik Bedard did (9% to 5%).

[mdwilla]

The Reds could always hit now they have a nice trio in Bedard,Harang,Arroyo to go with a very good closer. The central will be tougher this year.

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't think Bedard's season was a fluke. He's better than Hill, but his biggest problem is his health.

[sneakypower]

Bedard is better at inducing groundballs, but then again practically everybody in baseball is. For what it's worth, Bill James projects Hill to have a 3.50 ERA next year, but he's always creamed himself over Hill. 3.70 for Bedard.

 

Having superlative OF defense of Sori, Pie and Fuku would help, especially if he is lucky with his HR/FB rate, but I don't see him with a 3.50 ERA. He was only under 3.95 in one month last year.

[Mephistopheles]

umm..im pretty sure defense does not matter.

[sneakypower]

umm..im pretty sure defense does not matter.

 

Tell that to Chris Capuano.

[Mephistopheles]

im pretty sure youre not following me, again. i know it's hard to follow someone as brilliant as myself. I have problems keeping up with my own intelligence.