Brewers acquire Solomon Torres

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Salomon Torres-R-Pirates Dec. 7 - 2:09 pm et

 

The Brewers have reportedly picked up Salomon Torres from the Brewers for right-handers Marino Salas and Kevin Roberts.

 

As much more trade value as Torres has had in the past, the Pirates are really selling low here. Salas, a waiver claim from the Orioles, and Roberts are both relief prospects and not particularly good ones. It would have been worth it for the Pirates to enter the season with Torres and see if he could rebuild his value.

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

[98navigator]

Stupid Pirates

[A New Era]

The brewers acquired him from the brewers?

[Derwood]

Stupid Pirates

 

the "stupid" is implied when you just say "pirates"

[Post Count Padder]

Stupid Pirates

 

the "stupid" is implied when you just say "pirates"

yeah, it's rather redundant.

[Schwarber Fan]

The brewers acquired him from the brewers?

 

:lol: Maybe the Cubs should try trading with themselves, it would look like they were at least doing something!!

[TruffleShuffle]

meh, whatever.... he's gonna be 36 next year, he was pretty hittable in 2007, and he's making about $3.5M in 2008. Not a big deal.

[seanimal]

The brewers are going to be so awesome next year.

[apete6]

Cubs sign Sammy Sosa and he hits a walkoff grand slam off of Torres to win the 2008 NLCS, sending the Cubs into the World Series.

 

Sosa steps on home plate and then smashes his helmet down, shattering into more pieces than when Torres beaned him. Then he grabs his crotch, points towards Torres and says "Bean This."

[Jake]

Stupid Pirates

 

Why is this stupid?

[Jake]

The brewers are going to be so awesome next year.

 

They're going to be awesome becuase they now have Torres?

[Jake]

Truf hit it right non the nose. Sully was awful last year. Started the year as the closer, and stunk. Usually in the second 1/2 of the season he gets stronger. Not last year.

 

Addition by subtraction.

 

I think he's hurt - I think his elbow is shot.

 

We just saved 3.5 million.

[A New Era]

The brewers are going to be so awesome next year.

 

They're going to be awesome becuase they now have Torres?

 

I think sarcasm.

[Ender]

7.6 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 47.8% GB's, 4.21 xFIP.

 

Torres had the same year he had in 2005 and 2006 basically, he just had a poor LOB% and HR/FB which spiked his ERA. ERA is such a terrible stat for judging pitchers, Torres had a very lucky ERA in 2005 and 2006. This is a good trade by the Brewers adding another slightly above average RP to their pen. They don't have any really good RP but they have quite a few marginally above average ones now which is better than what they had last season.

 

Looking at his second half the only thing I see is a jump in BABIP. His K's were steady, his BB rate went DOWN, his HR's stayed about the same. His BABIP just had a spike which most times when that happens in isolation is just luck.

Edited December 7, 2007 by Ender

[Onebase2417]

How has this guys arm not fallen off yet??

[98navigator]

Stupid Pirates

 

Why is this stupid?

 

I think it's stupid because they are selling low. I agree with the article; that it might have been better to hold on to him in hopes of increasing his value instead of immediately settling for a few middling pieces this early (they may have gotten that ultimately but it makes little since to do so now. The Pirates will have an up hill battle in the division as it is and I don't see how any of those players will help). Waiting to trade him would have at least giving them a better chance to increase his value.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

::Insert toast comment here::

[Mizzou]

I will always hate Solomon Torres.

[Jake]

Stupid Pirates

 

Why is this stupid?

 

I think it's stupid because they are selling low. I agree with the article; that it might have been better to hold on to him in hopes of increasing his value instead of immediately settling for a few middling pieces this early (they may have gotten that ultimately but it makes little since to do so now. The Pirates will have an up hill battle in the division as it is and I don't see how any of those players will help). Waiting to trade him would have at least giving them a better chance to increase his value.

 

Reasonable answer. I think there are a couple of other things going on. One, I think his elbow could be done. Someone above was mentioning his general stats weren't off that much last year, but there was something missing that didn't show up in the stat sheet.

 

Second, he became a bit of a distraction last year with his grievance. I'm not judging the grievance right or wrong, just saying it was a distraction.

 

Third, from what I'm reading now, it seems he showed up out of shape last year. Nothing was written last year, and I don't know why this is coming out now. But, he basically admitted it.

 

Yeah, we could have waited, but, of course, there's always a down side to this also. Note that Huntington is holding off on dealing Bay for this very reason.

[Ender]

Well from the pirates side of things an old RP who is in the last year of his contract isn't going to bring them anything worthwhile long term most likely regardless. This way they get a couple nuggets that at least have a chance of helping them a few years down the line.

[UK1679666180]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07342/840202-63.stm

 

Torres is considering retirement rather than being away from his family for a year.

[badnews]

7.6 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 47.8% GB's, 4.21 xFIP.

 

Torres had the same year he had in 2005 and 2006 basically, he just had a poor LOB% and HR/FB which spiked his ERA. ERA is such a terrible stat for judging pitchers, Torres had a very lucky ERA in 2005 and 2006. This is a good trade by the Brewers adding another slightly above average RP to their pen. They don't have any really good RP but they have quite a few marginally above average ones now which is better than what they had last season.

 

Looking at his second half the only thing I see is a jump in BABIP. His K's were steady, his BB rate went DOWN, his HR's stayed about the same. His BABIP just had a spike which most times when that happens in isolation is just luck.

 

The same could be said about Will Ohman. Look at his BABIP. But we managed to parlay him, cash and Jacque Jones into one relief prospect and people crowed more about money saved than a day's worth of Geico commercials.

[Schwarber Fan]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07342/840202-63.stm

 

Torres is considering retirement rather than being away from his family for a year.

 

:lol: