Rolen to the Brewers?

[reggiemiller rules]

The brewcrew have requested Rolen's medical records and there has been alot of talk about Rolen for Capuano. I hope that if that is the deal we are not paying very much money to the Brewers.

[reggiemiller rules]

According to Stark the talks have cooled off cause the Cards dont want to trade him in the division. But Stark said the deal was Capuano and a top prospect and the Brewers would have picked up all of the contract. Without knowing who the prospect is that seems like as good a deal as the cards could get for Rolen.

[SouthSideRyan]

According to Stark the talks have cooled off cause the Cards dont want to trade him in the division. But Stark said the deal was Capuano and a top prospect and the Brewers would have picked up all of the contract. Without knowing who the prospect is that seems like as good a deal as the cards could get for Rolen.

 

Capuano straight up for Rolen is a good deal for the Cards. That'd be robbery.

[reggiemiller rules]

According to Stark the talks have cooled off cause the Cards dont want to trade him in the division. But Stark said the deal was Capuano and a top prospect and the Brewers would have picked up all of the contract. Without knowing who the prospect is that seems like as good a deal as the cards could get for Rolen.

 

Capuano straight up for Rolen is a good deal for the Cards. That'd be robbery.

 

Yeah hopefully Mo gets over the not trading him in the division. I would be very happy if the prospect was Gamel or Escobar their shortstop.

[Jon]

According to Stark the talks have cooled off cause the Cards dont want to trade him in the division. But Stark said the deal was Capuano and a top prospect and the Brewers would have picked up all of the contract. Without knowing who the prospect is that seems like as good a deal as the cards could get for Rolen.

 

Capuano straight up for Rolen is a good deal for the Cards. That'd be robbery.

And it's the Cardinals who are hesitant to make that trade. Yeesh.

[BigbadB]

Wow. Why are the Brewers even bothering with this?

 

They could probably make that same offer to the Rangers and get Blalock, who is likely to be much better.

[ThePenguin11]

I really love the possibility of this deal! If ever there was a deal to make two teams in our division worse, this is it. Rolen is just about done being a productive everyday player. I don't know if he can still defend like he used to but his offensive numbers are a small fraction of what they used to be.

 

Why the Brewers would be this enamored with him is a mystery. And Capuano? Didn't the Brewers lose 20 straight games started by him? Both are tremendously trending downward. St. Louis would be better served by dumping Edmonds and Rolen for young decent prospects (if possible) and rebuilding with a young rotation of starters like Wainright, Reyes and Hawksworth.

 

Somebody associated Jim Hendry with 'Dumb and Dumber' in another topic, this is really probably more appropriate for two teams who should have a better grasp on moving their teams in the right direction.

[haltz]

They could probably make that same offer to the Rangers and get Blalock, who is likely to be much better.

He's a league average hitter with a poor glove.

 

No team is going to pick up Rolen's salary unless they are fairly confident that he's healthy. Here's something fun. Last year Miguel Cabrera and not healthy Scott Rolen were 52 runs apart in UZR (+24, -28), and 51.3 runs apart in Baseball Reference's linear weights.

 

If the Cards deal Rolen, they should get a better return that will help past 2009. 2008 is lost cause anyway.

[wolf stansson]

Here's something fun. Last year Miguel Cabrera and not healthy Scott Rolen were 52 runs apart in UZR (+24, -28), and 51.3 runs apart in Baseball Reference's linear weights.

That is a fun little comparison, but not much more. So many factors make it irrelevant. Rolen is obviously a prime candidate for steady production drops because of both health and the normal decrease in effectiveness from age. Cabrera is the opposite. He is apparently getting healthier by losing weight and is entering his prime years. Then Rolen loses the defensive trump card with Cabrera moving to left field. Granted, the two seasons Cabrera spent in LF were bad.

 

The question is this. Yes the difference between Cabrera and Rolen's value in 2007 was negligible when you factor in defense which isn't easily quantified, but who is more likely to continue their production? You already know that though.

[haltz]

Yes the difference between Cabrera and Rolen's value in 2007 was negligible when you factor in defense which isn't easily quantified, but who is more likely to continue their production? You already know that though.

I do, and I'm not making the case that they are the same player or have the same trade value. It's also not irrelevant as it illustrates how people undervalue defense. I'm not saying it does much more than that though. Just that teams aren't going to trade anything for Rolen unless they think he has a decent shot to be healthy, and if they think he has a decent shot to be healthy, that means value along the lines of Cabrera at 3B just because of his historically superior glove.

 

Last year he was about four wins above replacement (Blalock was 1.5-2 in his last two full seasons). Even if he's a 90 OPS+ hitter now, he still has value. Of course, he could fall off a cliff, so that tempers things as far as a trade return. Basically, I don't think he should be traded unless there's more of a long term return, but you've read all this already.

[wolf stansson]

Basically, I don't think he should be traded unless there's more of a long term return, but you've read all this already.

I agree with you on that. I just didn't jive with the Cabrera = Rolen illustration. I know you meant it only to highlight the value of Rolen's defense, but I think other people (not here) took it to mean Cabrera = Rolen in terms of overall value even though that isn't what you were saying. I just didn't feel like throwing my two cents in those other threads as fast as they are moving would matter. I also didn't want to appear to be aligning myself with another poster against you in that argument, which someone may have assumed.

[Post Count Padder]

Scott Rolen-3B-Cardinals Dec. 4 - 11:07 pm et

 

The Dodgers are the new front-runners for Scott Rolen, says FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

 

Rosenthal doesn't mention the Giants as being in the hunt. If the Dodgers want to gamble on a third baseman with injury issues, they can go with Andy LaRoche and Nomar Garciaparra. The money Rolen will command could be better spent elsewhere.

Source: FOXSports.com

[Derwood]

Scott Rolen-3B-Cardinals Dec. 4 - 11:07 pm et

 

The Dodgers are the new front-runners for Scott Rolen, says FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

 

Rosenthal doesn't mention the Giants as being in the hunt. If the Dodgers want to gamble on a third baseman with injury issues, they can go with Andy LaRoche and Nomar Garciaparra. The money Rolen will command could be better spent elsewhere.

Source: FOXSports.com

 

 

rotoworld post-padder strikes again!

[Post Count Padder]

Scott Rolen-3B-Cardinals Dec. 4 - 11:07 pm et

 

The Dodgers are the new front-runners for Scott Rolen, says FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

 

Rosenthal doesn't mention the Giants as being in the hunt. If the Dodgers want to gamble on a third baseman with injury issues, they can go with Andy LaRoche and Nomar Garciaparra. The money Rolen will command could be better spent elsewhere.

Source: FOXSports.com

 

 

rotoworld post-padder strikes again!

Hey, I'm updating everyone on what's going on so they can just check this site. Like you're not a post padder? :P

[Derwood]

no, those days are long behind me. but what golrious days they were

[Post Count Padder]

no, those days are long behind me. but what golrious days they were

Exactly. 22000+ posts, somewhere in there had to be a bit of padding.

[SouthSideRyan]

Haha, what the hell is wrong with Coletti?

[Derwood]

no, those days are long behind me. but what golrious days they were

Exactly. 22000+ posts, somewhere in there had to be a bit of padding.

 

what does that make Raisin?

[SouthSideRyan]

no, those days are long behind me. but what golrious days they were

Exactly. 22000+ posts, somewhere in there had to be a bit of padding.

 

what does that make Raisin?

 

A chit chatter.

[BigbadB]

Haha, what the hell is wrong with Coletti?

 

Wrong man for the job, as usual. Here's a guy who has a veteran fetish with one of the best farm systems in baseball. By the time he finishes disassembling the farm system and the major league roster of all talent, some other team will admire his work so much, he'll get another GM job somewhere.