Levine: Prior, Hudson, Swisher

[CuseCubFan69]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

[USSoccer]

How are people missing the point that buying time is an important factor in tendering him an offer?

[Banedon]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

But again...the cost is minimal? What's lost? A relatively small amount of money. What is gained by not tendering an offer?

[CuseCubFan69]

Sorry, but there is no way the Cubs should sign Prior for a year. For one, I don't think they'll be able to get much for him in return for a sign and trade. Two, I don't think Prior will pitch well enough, if at all, prior to the trading deadline next year to get anything for him. Plus, you're assuming a lot of risk in that scenario of throwing 3 mil or whatever out the window. The best option, and it pains me to say this, is to non-tender, and both parties moved on.

 

T

 

The Cubs spent 2.5/yr on Neifi Perez. The Cubs spent $6 million over 2 years on Glendon Rusch. $3 million isn't much to roll the dice and see what you can get out of someone with the potential of Mark Prior.

 

But he's not staying. Also, wouldn't it be a smart move to not repeat past mistakes? Just because they've made some foolish moves in the past doesn't mean they should continue making them.

 

That's only a good point if you are under the mistaken assumption that keeping Prior would be a mistake. You gamble on potential greatness, or even goodness. Those foolish moves were wasting money on guaranteed crap.

 

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

Assuming he could come back in June, he would be able to potentially give them 10-15 starts. It also buys you time to mend fences.

 

I don't see him coming back that early plus he'd have to get X amount of starts in the minors. I would sign him to a 3 if I could trade him but I really don't see him coming back before September if at all in 2008. Plus, if Prior feels that the Cubs treated him poorly as a few have wrote, what's the incentive to help the team and get injured again? He'll work with House or whomever he is working with and get ready for 2009 imo.

[Magnetic Curses]

mod fight!

[David]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

 

It's not an assumption or wishful thinking. It's a gamble that's well worth making considering the potential return. I don't think you'll find anyone here saying otherwise.

[SouthSideRyan]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

[CuseCubFan69]

How are people missing the point that buying time is an important factor in tendering him an offer?

 

Again, I'm fine with a 3 deal if they can trade him. Now, I have a question regarding players on the DL, can you trade him once he's on it? Because if the Cubs can't deal him and he's on the DL they may be stuck with him.

[SouthSideRyan]

How are people missing the point that buying time is an important factor in tendering him an offer?

 

Again, I'm fine with a 3 deal if they can trade him. Now, I have a question regarding players on the DL, can you trade him once he's on it? Because if the Cubs can't deal him and he's on the DL they may be stuck with him.

 

You can trade players on the DL.

[CuseCubFan69]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

[CubColtPacer]

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071212-9999-1s12padres.html

 

After gathering medical information on Cubs pitcher Mark Prior, who is coming off shoulder surgery, the Padres have cooled somewhat on the former USDHS star, who would become a free agent today if the Cubs do not tender him a contract.

 

Hmm, that's an important point in this Prior debate. First, we hear a couple weeks ago that Prior hasn't started throwing off a mound yet, which means he is behind schedule from what he was hoping originally. Now, the Padres see the medical reports and aren't pleased with them. He could be even further behind at this point.

[Burtonbell]

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071212-9999-1s12padres.html

 

After gathering medical information on Cubs pitcher Mark Prior, who is coming off shoulder surgery, the Padres have cooled somewhat on the former USDHS star, who would become a free agent today if the Cubs do not tender him a contract.

 

Whoa...whats up with this?

 

For some reason I am becoming very bitter about this whole deal. I had no idea how bad this got, how it got to this point, or who is to blame. We may never know the whole story.

[SouthSideRyan]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

 

I thought you were talking about Prior coming back from injury. Prior's surgery was when? Back in May or something?

[David]

It takes about a year to return to the mound.

 

He had his surgery in spring of 07...

[CuseCubFan69]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

 

I thought you were talking about Prior coming back from injury. Prior's surgery was when? Back in May or something?

 

Well actually I'm talking about both. Trust me, he will not pitch in 2008. If he does indeed sign with someone else and does well after that I wouldn't blame Hendry at all since Prior, from what I've read, doesn't want to be in Chicago anyways so it's a moot point.

[David]

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071212-9999-1s12padres.html

 

After gathering medical information on Cubs pitcher Mark Prior, who is coming off shoulder surgery, the Padres have cooled somewhat on the former USDHS star, who would become a free agent today if the Cubs do not tender him a contract.

 

Hmm, that's an important point in this Prior debate. First, we hear a couple weeks ago that Prior hasn't started throwing off a mound yet, which means he is behind schedule from what he was hoping originally. Now, the Padres see the medical reports and aren't pleased with them. He could be even further behind at this point.

 

Padres probably want him to be non-tendered so they can swoop in and pick him up.

 

Sun-Times today say that Prior is still doing fine in his rehab and is throwing off flat ground from 90 feet.

 

Said that his ETA would be around May (surgery was in April of this year) but that you could tack on a few months if you wanted to be conservative.

 

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/692470,CST-SPT-prior12.article

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Trust me, he will not pitch in 2008.

 

I'd love to make a (modest) wager on this.

[David]

 

Trust me, he will not pitch in 2008.

 

I'd love to make a (modest) wager on this.

 

Count me in, too.

[ottawacubbie]

You can put Wrigleyville sports in that boat too!

 

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[CuseCubFan69]

 

Trust me, he will not pitch in 2008.

 

I'd love to make a (modest) wager on this.

 

Hey, I always admit when I'm wrong....I don't have a problem with that. If he does pitch, it'll be in September for a team that signs him to a 2 year deal.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Trust me, he will not pitch in 2008.

 

I'd love to make a (modest) wager on this.

 

Hey, I always admit when I'm wrong....I don't have a problem with that. If he does pitch, it'll be in September for a team that signs him to a 2 year deal.

 

I think he gets a 1 year deal somewhere. If he thinks he's going to pitch this season, there's no reason for him to lock himself into a 2nd year at the price he'd likely be offered. I think it would take something along the lines of 2/12 to get him signed and I don't see any team doing that.(And with the report mentioned in VOR's post, they may be right not to.)

[CuseCubFan69]

 

Trust me, he will not pitch in 2008.

 

I'd love to make a (modest) wager on this.

 

Hey, I always admit when I'm wrong....I don't have a problem with that. If he does pitch, it'll be in September for a team that signs him to a 2 year deal.

 

I think he gets a 1 year deal somewhere. If he thinks he's going to pitch this season, there's no reason for him to lock himself into a 2nd year at the price he'd likely be offered. I think it would take something along the lines of 2/12 to get him signed and I don't see any team doing that.(And with the report mentioned in VOR's post, they may be right not to.)

 

It could be a big incentive deal for 2009 though. It still makes him young enough to get a huge deal if he does well for 2010 and beyond. I'm not sure a lot of teams want to pay for his rehab and gamble he'll sign with them later.

[NCCubFan]

I don't think it's a certainty that Prior would refuse to return to the Cubs in 2009. I believe his current thinking is that he won't, but by the time he has to make that decision the Cubs will have a new owner. Perhaps he'd decide that the people he had problems with are gone, and he'd be agreeable to pitching for a team owned by Mark Cuban and managed by Lou Piniella. There's enough unknown about the future I think it's worth a gamble. My preference would be for a one-year deal with a team option (or even a vesting option based on innings pitched), but if he won't agree to that I think there's enough chance of him changing his mind that it's worth a gamble for one year. I'm not at all convinced he won't pitch this year.

[Keener98]

Gamble on what? The Cubs pay for rehab the whole year and then he leaves....what on earth are the Cubs getting out of this great potential?

 

That's an assumption.

 

 

But him coming back and pitching 10-15 starts isn't? I think I have his past history on my side of the assumption while the other side of it is wishful thinking.

 

There is no past history of Prior coming back from surgery.

 

That type of surgery is different for Prior because he's Mark Prior? Doesn't it take a year?

 

Thats absurd. What an ignorant statement.

[RynoRules]

Didn't see this posted anywhere else, but perhaps I missed it:

 

Levine on 1000 says they have decided to non-tender Prior.