MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[CUBZ99]

Still trying to understand why some people here need to spout vitriol at the guys from OH as if they're doing anything besides posting what they've heard. Who cares if they end up being wrong?

 

 

Well if you like that Cylvia Browne, John Edward psyhic type of inside info --- OH may be your gig. For most of us, we could just sit around and guess just as well and be just as accurate. Those guys have been behind in regard to all of the Bedard/ Roberts rumors for weeks. According to them Roberts to the Cubs was a done deal and verified by two sources a month ago.

 

I'm sure if we had members on this board that claimed to have inside contacts and were 99% wrong all of the time, we would be on them just the same.

[Sammy Sofa]

Still trying to understand why some people here need to spout vitriol at the guys from OH as if they're doing anything besides posting what they've heard. Who cares if they end up being wrong?

 

 

Well if you like that Cylvia Browne, John Edward psyhic type of inside info --- OH may be your gig. For most of us, we could just sit around and guess just as well and be just as accurate. Those guys have been behind in regard to all of the Bedard/ Roberts rumors for weeks. According to them Roberts to the Cubs was a done deal and verified by two sources a month ago.

 

I'm sure if we had members on this board that claimed to have inside contacts and were 99% wrong all of the time, we would be on them just the same.

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

[CUBZ99]

Still trying to understand why some people here need to spout vitriol at the guys from OH as if they're doing anything besides posting what they've heard. Who cares if they end up being wrong?

 

 

Well if you like that Cylvia Browne, John Edward psyhic type of inside info --- OH may be your gig. For most of us, we could just sit around and guess just as well and be just as accurate. Those guys have been behind in regard to all of the Bedard/ Roberts rumors for weeks. According to them Roberts to the Cubs was a done deal and verified by two sources a month ago.

 

I'm sure if we had members on this board that claimed to have inside contacts and were 99% wrong all of the time, we would be on them just the same.

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

 

I think most people that are joking about the "insiders" are doing so because they don't really believe they are "insiders". And the fact that we even still refer to them as "insiders" is an insult to true "insiders". Most people that have read OH within the last 2 months can be honest with themselves and admit that there are no insiders on the board and that most of the so called inside info has been incorrect. Maybe it is due to the fact that the O's have cracked down on leaks, but the end result is still the same.

[Sammy Sofa]

Still trying to understand why some people here need to spout vitriol at the guys from OH as if they're doing anything besides posting what they've heard. Who cares if they end up being wrong?

 

 

Well if you like that Cylvia Browne, John Edward psyhic type of inside info --- OH may be your gig. For most of us, we could just sit around and guess just as well and be just as accurate. Those guys have been behind in regard to all of the Bedard/ Roberts rumors for weeks. According to them Roberts to the Cubs was a done deal and verified by two sources a month ago.

 

I'm sure if we had members on this board that claimed to have inside contacts and were 99% wrong all of the time, we would be on them just the same.

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

 

I think most people that are joking about the "insiders" are doing so because they don't really believe they are "insiders". And the fact that we even still refer to them as "insiders" is an insult to true "insiders". Most people that have read OH within the last 2 months can be honest with themselves and admit that there are no insiders on the board and that most of the so called inside info has been incorrect. Maybe it is due to the fact that the O's have cracked down on leaks, but the end result is still the same.

 

Except that they've scooped penty of moves before. It's beyond just joking about it when, like you just did, people go out of their way to talk them down, again, as if they're doing something wrong. The reason they were quoted here in the first place is because they had the rep of scooping moves made by their team.

[Guest]

Every hour on the hour for the next 24 hours I plan to announce that it is 3:00, and I will be right twice out of 24 attempts. May I be an insider now, too?

 

If you don't say which time zone it's 3:00 in you'll be right every single time. :wink:

[Laura]

I see plenty of joking around about the Trade That Hasn't Happened Yet, but it's stretch for me to find 'vitriol' being spewed out over the last few pages. You grant them deference for their status. Others here do not. Since, as you point out, they aren't posting here, I doubt their feelings will be bruised over someone joking that a fictional grandfather's barber is as reliable a source as they are.

[Yestheydo]

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

Thank you. I'm also detecting hints of jealousy on NSBB that we have nothing close to the insider info OH has enjoyed in the past. People naturally don't want to believe another board has (or had) such connections. That's life.

[C.C.]

Soooo...Is the deal going to get done or what?

[CuseCubFan69]

Soooo...Is the deal going to get done or what?

 

Hendry hasn't picked the right briefcase yet. Once he does it'll be deal or no deal.

[CubinNY]

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

Thank you. I'm also detecting hints of jealousy on NSBB that we have nothing close to the insider info OH has enjoyed in the past. People naturally don't want to believe another board has (or had) such connections. That's life.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

You don't get it all!

 

They don't have any connections. If those dudes posted that stuff here but from the Cubs end they would have been banned.

[David]

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

Thank you. I'm also detecting hints of jealousy on NSBB that we have nothing close to the insider info OH has enjoyed in the past. People naturally don't want to believe another board has (or had) such connections. That's life.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

You don't get it all!

 

They don't have any connections. If those dudes posted that stuff here but from the Cubs end they would have been banned.

 

Um, yea. That's pretty far from reality.

[CUBZ99]

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

Thank you. I'm also detecting hints of jealousy on NSBB that we have nothing close to the insider info OH has enjoyed in the past. People naturally don't want to believe another board has (or had) such connections. That's life.

 

It's not jealousy that drives the joking. Its just that some of us believe in facts and reality. Since many of us have become aware of the OH, the so called insiders have not been right about anything. The national media is scooping their so called info.

 

In regard to NSBB, we have had an insider (Bruce M) who has been telling us all along that the OH insiders were wrong. Some people just choose to dismiss his connections and believe that somehow these OH insiders are going to scoop everyone.

[CUBZ99]

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

Thank you. I'm also detecting hints of jealousy on NSBB that we have nothing close to the insider info OH has enjoyed in the past. People naturally don't want to believe another board has (or had) such connections. That's life.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

You don't get it all!

 

They don't have any connections. If those dudes posted that stuff here but from the Cubs end they would have been banned.

 

Um, yea. That's pretty far from reality.

 

If not banned, they would certainly be widely ridiculed and no one would take them serious.

[David]

 

But again, what are they doing besides reporting what they've heard on their own website? They're not the ones posting it here, yet people talk about them like they're doing it to mess with us.

 

It sounds like in the past these guys generally had a very good reputation for getting some leaks or scoops in terms of club activity, but this offseason has been extremely off kilter for a number of reasons. For one, it sounds like the organization has been trying to crack down on leaks. Secondly, we've heard differening quotes, rumors and claims seemingly originating from the Orioles' organization itself, making the confusion even worse. It's not like the OH guys are the only ones who have been caught up in with bad or changed info coming from the Orioles.

 

If they hear something, they post it on their board. Again, why is it anything to get mad over or seemingly act like we've been attacked or insulted? We haven't.

 

Thank you. I'm also detecting hints of jealousy on NSBB that we have nothing close to the insider info OH has enjoyed in the past. People naturally don't want to believe another board has (or had) such connections. That's life.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

You don't get it all!

 

They don't have any connections. If those dudes posted that stuff here but from the Cubs end they would have been banned.

 

Um, yea. That's pretty far from reality.

 

If not banned, they would certainly be widely ridiculed and no one would take them serious.

 

You would have to be the luckiest person on earth to scoop the stories they did when they did. I don't need to re-list the times they've been right because they've been recounted numerous times. They continue to show there's legitimacy to their info when Peace reported Bedard would be flying to Seattle yesterday before any of the papers picked it up.

 

As for NSBB, Hoops achieved God like status on NSBB a few years ago when he scooped the Lee trade. I'm not saying he ever claimed to be an insider, but he has referred to his sources numerous times since, and I'm fairly sure he hasn't "scooped" much since. No disrespect at all intended to Hoops, either, because I understand that's the nature of these things. That's actually my point, exactly. That said, nobody ridicules or has banned him here because his scoops haven't panned out since. Chances are pretty great that there was something legitimate behind the reports when he passed them off, too.

 

Even the media guys very often turn out to be wrong when they report rumors and such. It's the freaking nature of the business. Sometimes bad info is fed, sometimes deals fall apart. Papers were reporting the Jones/Bedard trade as done or almost done about two weeks ago. Obviously, things got complicated. It's very possible the same happened with the supposed Roberts trade a few weeks back. One of our own posters (98navigator, I think?) claimed to have a source confirming that (Roberts) deal was done or about to be done at the time. Granted, there's no question that OH is going to lose credibility when they report a deal as done and it's not, but I find it pretty damn ridiculous to think that the admin there didn't think he had a 100% legit story when he posted it on that site's front page. He put their credibility on the line and failed. From what I can tell from the couple of times I went over there, that site has been trying to become less fan-site and more of a legit media outlet. I find it far more likely that something either fell apart or the O's purposely leaked false info than that they are just some tools making things up.

 

I mean, just take the rumors/scoops for what they are. If those dudes even got 25% (made up number, obviously) of their scoops right, that's better than most media outlets. ESPN reported Maddux signed with the Yankees in 2003-04. That was actually on SportsCenter. Crap happens.

 

The whole thing about them being banned or ridiculed....that might apply if they just came on and started trolling and making stuff up, like the dude that came on here in 2005 and said we were about to trade for Dunn. The OH situation couldn't be further from that.

Edited February 8, 2008 by David

[Ryno12]

I think most of us would be thilled to have the likes of BigBird or Peace21 on our site with information about the Cubs. Sure they haven't always been right, but they have several times...see Tejada as just one example. They are just posting what they've heard, which is probably a lot more than those of you who are bashing them. If you don't want to believe them fine, I don't care.

[David]

Christ, that's a long post. I'm not even sure why I care. It just drives me nuts when people take extreme stances on things like this. Obviously, don't take their word as gospel. They've been wrong enough times to know not to run with their reports. But that doesn't mean that the info is a joke or made up.

 

Being moderate/reasonable about it just makes more sense to me. Meh.

[David]

I think most of us would be thilled to have the likes of BigBird or Peace21 on our site with information about the Cubs. Sure they haven't always been right, but they have several times...see Tejada as just one example. They are just posting what they've heard, which is probably a lot more than those of you who are bashing them. If you don't want to believe them fine, I don't care.

 

 

Exactly. Imagine if someone came on here the morning that Z re-signed claiming to know Z's agent and that a deal was about to get done (when nobody saw much of a chance of something getting done with Z). They would have a cult-like following on here and people would hang on every word.

[jmajew]

Who would have thought that two of the worst run organizations is baseball would have a hard time completing a deal. Shocking!!!

[BigbadB]

Honestly, I wish we had never heard of OH or bigbird or Peace or whoever else supposedly has insider status at OH.

 

After this whole Roberts/Bedard fiasco, I long for the days of reading about trades AFTER they happen.

 

Granted, a lot of this is on MacPhail and Angelos, but I honestly don't care about OH, the people who go to OH, the posts that are brought back here from OH or anything else Orioles related.

 

THIS IS NSBB, not OH Jr.

 

I have never visited OH, but I can only guess NSBB is a far more superior site, even if we don't have anyone who sweeps the floors of Hendry's secret war room.

 

It was fun for awhile (like a day or two), but it's real old at this point.

[Laura]

I appreciate that some of you have taken a lot of time and effort to engage with posters at another messageboard. You need to realize that criticism is a fact of life on the internet -- I don't know that anyone Cubs-related has avoided being criticized on this board. Also, people will have a sense of humor and JOKE about all the rumors and sources that haven't panned out to date, no matter how many stamp their feet in anger over it.

 

Take a deep breath. Peace and Big Bird aren't being hoisted up on a cross (as disturbing an image as that is). Please realize that not everyone here is invested in what happens at the big OH as are those of you who are spending time there.

[UMFan83]

Is there any way we can start the process of getting Brian Roberts a physical right now, just in case a deal is consummated at some point this month?

 

That way when a deal is agreed upon, it will only take 10 days of denials and haggling before it gets done.

[David]

I appreciate that some of you have taken a lot of time and effort to engage with posters at another messageboard. You need to realize that criticism is a fact of life on the internet -- I don't know that anyone Cubs-related has avoided being criticized on this board. Also, people will have a sense of humor and JOKE about all the rumors and sources that haven't panned out to date, no matter how many stamp their feet in anger over it.

 

Take a deep breath. Peace and Big Bird aren't being hoisted up on a cross (as disturbing an image as that is). Please realize that not everyone here is invested in what happens at the big OH as are those of you who are spending time there.

 

If I think someone is being irrational, I'm going to reply to it. Hell, I've even joked about it like everyone else. I don't even go to OH that often. But the idea that posters like those guys would be laughed off of NSBB or banned is so far from reality that it's absurd. Come on, now.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I appreciate that some of you have taken a lot of time and effort to engage with posters at another messageboard. You need to realize that criticism is a fact of life on the internet -- I don't know that anyone Cubs-related has avoided being criticized on this board. Also, people will have a sense of humor and JOKE about all the rumors and sources that haven't panned out to date, no matter how many stamp their feet in anger over it.

 

Take a deep breath. Peace and Big Bird aren't being hoisted up on a cross (as disturbing an image as that is). Please realize that not everyone here is invested in what happens at the big OH as are those of you who are spending time there.

 

He may not be on a cross, but I see he could be heading for impending doom.

http://www.tatteredcoat.com/images/big-bird-in-truck.jpg

[David]

Is there any way we can start the process of getting Brian Roberts a physical right now, just in case a deal is consummated at some point this month?

 

That way when a deal is agreed upon, it will only take 10 days of denials and haggling before it gets done.

 

That works. But they'll still probably have to take physicals before they fly Roberts in for a press conference. Plus they won't want to steal the thunder away from the Cactus/Grapefruit leagues. We'll find out we have Roberts when he takes 2B on Opening Day.

[cubfan]

Honestly, I wish we had never heard of OH or bigbird or Peace or whoever else supposedly has insider status at OH.

 

After this whole Roberts/Bedard fiasco, I long for the days of reading about trades AFTER they happen.

 

Granted, a lot of this is on MacPhail and Angelos, but I honestly don't care about OH, the people who go to OH, the posts that are brought back here from OH or anything else Orioles related.

 

THIS IS NSBB, not OH Jr.

 

I have never visited OH, but I can only guess NSBB is a far more superior site, even if we don't have anyone who sweeps the floors of Hendry's secret war room.

 

It was fun for awhile (like a day or two), but it's real old at this point.

 

 

I'm sorry, but the bolded part is comical. "I have never been to France, but I can only guess that the wine here is far more superior" I'm not saying that NSBB is not a superior site but it is hard to make such a statement if you have never been there and goes to show that some people have a strong bias against the OH in general.