Matt Garza

[KingCubsFan]

• Johan Santana might not be the only starting pitcher the Twins move this winter. Clubs that have spoken with them say that in a deal for the right young center fielder, they might be willing to trade the much-coveted Matt Garza. But if they do deal Santana, they'd ideally come away from that extravaganza with a center fielder, making the need to trade Garza a moot point.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3121887

Could Pie do it?

[UK1679666180]

I'd assume no. They'd be looking for someone while inexpensive more proven.

[Guest]

I'd assume no. They'd be looking for someone while inexpensive more proven.

Twins are an org that trusts their scouts quite a bit. It could be enough depending on the report they have on Felix.

 

But I'm not optimistic.

[cybercub]

Assuming Garza could be had for Pie, would you then trade Hill and prospects for Crawford, or keep both and find another CF option?

[JeffH]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

Learn it.

 

Live it.

 

Love it.

[anabiono]

Assuming Garza could be had for Pie, would you then trade Hill and prospects for Crawford, or keep both and find another CF option?

 

 

if this whole scenario could somehow be possible...i would do it without hesitation

[cybercub]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

OK then.

 

Who plays center?

[VanceJergins]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

OK then.

 

Who plays center?

 

Fukudome, maybe try Patterson there, or try to trade for someone like Church.

[JeffH]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

OK then.

 

Who plays center?

 

Pie would be my preference.

 

Mike Cameron would be an OK option, if he'd sign a two-year deal. He's played for Piniella before, so Lou would likely have an opinion on him.

 

Kosuke, instead of in RF.

 

Keep plugging away at Jim Bowden for Ryan Church.

 

You could probably get the Dodgers to take a bunch of refuse and eat enough money to get Pierre down to something like a $24-28/4 obligation. Not anywhere near my first choice, but way better than Crawford-for-Hill.

[cubfan]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

OK then.

 

Who plays center?

 

Pie would be my preference.

 

 

I think he was saying "If Pie was traded for Garza would you then trade Hill for Crawford" So, Pie would not be an option since he would be playing for the twins.

[Athletics36]

I could see the Twins moving Garza as at the end of last year he basically tourched the entire organization with being demoted.

[MPrior]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

OK then.

 

Who plays center?

 

Fukudome, maybe try Patterson there, or try to trade for someone like Church.

 

I'm on board with this 100%. If the Cubs could somehow get Garza for Pie and some, I think the best option would be to sign Fukudome for CF (his numbers there would be a lot nicer than in RF, anyway), play Murton in RF (yeah, right), and keep Rich Hill. Crawford isn't worth it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It is indeed a dark day for Twins fans. First Hunter, next the inevidable departure of their ace. How many years before Morneau and Maur are eligable for free agency?

[badnews]

I think Garza is overrated. I just don't see him in the top tier he's been put in. Plus I don't like his crappy attitude. If the Cubs are out to acquire a stud prospect there's others guy I'd rather have.

[Hosak8]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

Learn it.

 

Live it.

 

Love it.

 

Surely you aren't serious? You'd really want Rich Hill/Felix Pie over Matt Garza/Carl Crawford?

 

Seriously?

 

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

If I could get those two deals done, I do it without so much as a hesitation.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

In that situation, I'd like to have both Hill and Garza and not overpay for Crawford. Use Marshall to get Tejada/CF/RF+Fukudome.

[Hosak8]

That's fine. I don't see Hill as overpaying for Crawford. Relative value. Hill's relative value is lower than Crawford's would be. Even if the value is absolute, Crawford is a much more proven commodity at the Major League level.

[JeffH]

Rich Hill is a much more valuable property than Carl Crawford.

 

Under no circumstances should Rich Hill be traded for Carl Crawford.

 

Learn it.

 

Live it.

 

Love it.

 

Surely you aren't serious? You'd really want Rich Hill/Felix Pie over Matt Garza/Carl Crawford?

 

Seriously?

 

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

If I could get those two deals done, I do it without so much as a hesitation.

 

Yes, seriously. And don't call me Shirley.

 

You'll have Crawford for one season at a nice price, then he'll either force you to trade him or sign him to a ridiculous extension.

 

On the other hand, you'll have Hill for several more "bargain" seasons.

 

If we're going to entertain the idea of trading Rich Hill, try to get in the Miguel Cabrera derby.

[abuck1220]

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

what part of hill's numbers don't look dominant? and he may be older than crawford, but he's got a lot less service time, so he's considerably cheaper.

[CubColtPacer]

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

what part of hill's numbers don't look dominant? and he may be older than crawford, but he's got a lot less service time, so he's considerably cheaper.

 

How long will Hill be considerably cheaper? How much money is he going to get in arbitration for the 2009 and 2010 season? The 2008 season Hill will make about 5 million less, but I question how much less he will make once he hits arbitration before the 09 season.

[CuseCubFan69]

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

what part of hill's numbers don't look dominant? and he may be older than crawford, but he's got a lot less service time, so he's considerably cheaper.

 

How long will Hill be considerably cheaper? How much money is he going to get in arbitration for the 2009 and 2010 season? The 2008 season Hill will make about 5 million less, but I question how much less he will make once he hits arbitration before the 09 season.

 

Yeah but he'll be 38 years old by then.

[JeffH]

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

what part of hill's numbers don't look dominant? and he may be older than crawford, but he's got a lot less service time, so he's considerably cheaper.

 

How long will Hill be considerably cheaper? How much money is he going to get in arbitration for the 2009 and 2010 season? The 2008 season Hill will make about 5 million less, but I question how much less he will make once he hits arbitration before the 09 season.

 

Suppose Hill gets $3 his first season of arbitration (if he gets more than that, you're going to be very, very sorry you traded him for Carl Crawford).

 

By that time, Crawford will have either forced you to trade him or forced you to sign an extension of more than $10 per season, possibly closer to $15 per.

[CubColtPacer]

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

what part of hill's numbers don't look dominant? and he may be older than crawford, but he's got a lot less service time, so he's considerably cheaper.

 

How long will Hill be considerably cheaper? How much money is he going to get in arbitration for the 2009 and 2010 season? The 2008 season Hill will make about 5 million less, but I question how much less he will make once he hits arbitration before the 09 season.

 

Suppose Hill gets $3 his first season of arbitration (if he gets more than that, you're going to be very, very sorry you traded him for Carl Crawford).

 

By that time, Crawford will have either forced you to trade him or forced you to sign an extension of more than $10 per season, possibly closer to $15 per.

 

I don't really understand how Crawford is going to force a trade with 2 years left on his deal. He may want an extension, but he'll have to wait until during the 2010 season to get it.

[JeffH]

I mean, Hill is not dominant (and when he is, he's far from consistent), and he's older than Crawford. Crawford is a good defender, has 20HR/60 SB potential, and has gotten better every year he's been in the Majors.

 

what part of hill's numbers don't look dominant? and he may be older than crawford, but he's got a lot less service time, so he's considerably cheaper.

 

How long will Hill be considerably cheaper? How much money is he going to get in arbitration for the 2009 and 2010 season? The 2008 season Hill will make about 5 million less, but I question how much less he will make once he hits arbitration before the 09 season.

 

Suppose Hill gets $3 his first season of arbitration (if he gets more than that, you're going to be very, very sorry you traded him for Carl Crawford).

 

By that time, Crawford will have either forced you to trade him or forced you to sign an extension of more than $10 per season, possibly closer to $15 per.

 

I don't really understand how Crawford is going to force a trade with 2 years left on his deal. He may want an extension, but he'll have to wait until during the 2010 season to get it.

 

Under the previous CBA, veterans traded in the middle of a long term contract could demand a trade after one season with the new club. If the new team failed to trade the player, the player would be granted free agency. Traded players typically used this right to negotiate a high-dollar extension.

 

The new CBA has done away with this, but, since Crawford signed his contract under the old CBA, he still has this right.

 

This is why Crawford has far, far more value to the Rays than he'd have for any team trading for him and why their demands supposedly seem so out of line.