Ty Cobb, etc. (split from Arod thread)

[OleMissCub]

I was enjoying this until OMC insinuated that partaking in orgies is a bad thing.

 

Hahaha....this is true

[Guest]

Does it matter? It could be Jesus Christ himself and it still wouldn't excuse Cobb for being such a terrible person.

 

Who is trying to excuse ANYTHING? I've said the guy was a giant toolbag. My point is that people should be able to separate on the field and off the field behavior. I don't respect his violence and world outlook, but I respect him as a player and think it would have been awesome to have seen him play.

 

My previous unidentified player basically is baseball's version of Jesus Christ, btw.

 

In an era of steroid-abusers and jerks of athletes, you seem to have seperated Barry from other stars.

[OleMissCub]

Does it matter? It could be Jesus Christ himself and it still wouldn't excuse Cobb for being such a terrible person.

 

Who is trying to excuse ANYTHING? I've said the guy was a giant toolbag. My point is that people should be able to separate on the field and off the field behavior. I don't respect his violence and world outlook, but I respect him as a player and think it would have been awesome to have seen him play.

 

My previous unidentified player basically is baseball's version of Jesus Christ, btw.

 

In an era of steroid-abusers and jerks of athletes, you seem to have seperated Barry from other stars.

 

That's because Barry Bonds achieved a record that I respect greatly via cheating. I don't have a great deal of respect for steroid-abusers, and this includes our "beloved" Sammy Sosa (sorry Roast) and the same will go for any future Cub that tests positive or is revealed to have taken steroids.

[OleMissCub]

 

As opposed to the darling of so many schoolboys who constantly partook in orgies, got drunk all the time, physically assaulted three umpires, was suspended or fined for inappropriate or vulgar conduct on the field more than a dozen times, was ejected from over 30 games in his career, often played drunk, and once physically attacked and often threatened his manager with violence.

 

Do you even know who I'm talking about?

 

Anyone?

[XZero771679666304]

 

As opposed to the darling of so many schoolboys who constantly partook in orgies, got drunk all the time, physically assaulted three umpires, was suspended or fined for inappropriate or vulgar conduct on the field more than a dozen times, was ejected from over 30 games in his career, often played drunk, and once physically attacked and often threatened his manager with violence.

 

Do you even know who I'm talking about?

 

Anyone?

 

 

Ruth

[OleMissCub]

 

Ruth

 

Yup.

[Guest]

Does it matter? It could be Jesus Christ himself and it still wouldn't excuse Cobb for being such a terrible person.

 

Who is trying to excuse ANYTHING? I've said the guy was a giant toolbag. My point is that people should be able to separate on the field and off the field behavior. I don't respect his violence and world outlook, but I respect him as a player and think it would have been awesome to have seen him play.

 

My previous unidentified player basically is baseball's version of Jesus Christ, btw.

 

In an era of steroid-abusers and jerks of athletes, you seem to have seperated Barry from other stars.

 

That's because Barry Bonds achieved a record that I respect greatly via cheating. I don't have a great deal of respect for steroid-abusers, and this includes our "beloved" Sammy Sosa (sorry Roast) and the same will go for any future Cub that tests positive or is revealed to have taken steroids.

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

[imb]

Everyone know's that Ruth was a terrible person, this isn't even an argument.

 

It still doesn't make Cobb any better.

[OleMissCub]

 

Racism is far worse than cheating at sports, do you not agree? :?

 

As a human being, yes. However, I don't admire Cobb as a person but as a baseball player, so that question is irrelevant.

[OleMissCub]

Everyone know's that Ruth was a terrible person, this isn't even an argument.

 

Apparently you didn't, otherwise you would have recognized that fact pattern as being that of the Bambino.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I was enjoying this until OMC insinuated that partaking in orgies is a bad thing.

 

 

I'm going to endorse this post as truth!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

As opposed to the darling of so many schoolboys who constantly partook in orgies, got drunk all the time, physically assaulted three umpires, was suspended or fined for inappropriate or vulgar conduct on the field more than a dozen times, was ejected from over 30 games in his career, often played drunk, and once physically attacked and often threatened his manager with violence.

 

Do you even know who I'm talking about?

 

Anyone?

 

 

Ruth

 

 

Hell no! It's David Wells.

[Roast]

 

As opposed to the darling of so many schoolboys who constantly partook in orgies, got drunk all the time, physically assaulted three umpires, was suspended or fined for inappropriate or vulgar conduct on the field more than a dozen times, was ejected from over 30 games in his career, often played drunk, and once physically attacked and often threatened his manager with violence.

 

Do you even know who I'm talking about?

 

Anyone?

 

 

Ruth

 

 

Hell no! It's David Wells.

 

Oh god. Any orgy involving David Wells is an orgy I don't want to be a part of.

[Roast]

Does it matter? It could be Jesus Christ himself and it still wouldn't excuse Cobb for being such a terrible person.

 

Who is trying to excuse ANYTHING? I've said the guy was a giant toolbag. My point is that people should be able to separate on the field and off the field behavior. I don't respect his violence and world outlook, but I respect him as a player and think it would have been awesome to have seen him play.

 

My previous unidentified player basically is baseball's version of Jesus Christ, btw.

 

In an era of steroid-abusers and jerks of athletes, you seem to have seperated Barry from other stars.

 

That's because Barry Bonds achieved a record that I respect greatly via cheating. I don't have a great deal of respect for steroid-abusers, and this includes our "beloved" Sammy Sosa (sorry Roast) and the same will go for any future Cub that tests positive or is revealed to have taken steroids.

 

I was with you until this point.

 

And, though it's just nitpicky, you make it sound like he has already tested positive... which is false.

 

Anyway, continue your amusing debate plz. I'm bored.

[imb]

Everyone know's that Ruth was a terrible person, this isn't even an argument.

 

Apparently you didn't, otherwise you would have recognized that fact pattern as being that of the Bambino.

 

You said it was baseball's jesus. So I was trying to think of someone who wasn't a renowned Ahole.

[OleMissCub]

 

I was with you until this point.

 

Your support would have been appreciated.

[Roast]

 

I was with you until this point.

 

Your support would have been appreciated.

Well that's what you get for disgracing the name of the great one [-X

[OleMissCub]

Everyone know's that Ruth was a terrible person, this isn't even an argument.

 

Apparently you didn't, otherwise you would have recognized that fact pattern as being that of the Bambino.

 

You said it was baseball's jesus. So I was trying to think of someone who wasn't a renowned Ahole.

 

My whole point was that baseball's "mythology", much like that of American history myth's, aren't always 100% truth.

 

Ruth isn't demonized 1/100th as much as Cobb is, despite them both being tremendous douchebags.

[imb]

Everyone know's that Ruth was a terrible person, this isn't even an argument.

 

Apparently you didn't, otherwise you would have recognized that fact pattern as being that of the Bambino.

 

You said it was baseball's jesus. So I was trying to think of someone who wasn't a renowned Ahole.

 

My whole point was that baseball's "mythology", much like that of American history myth's, aren't always 100% truth.

 

Ruth isn't demonized 1/100th as much as Cobb is, despite them both being tremendous douchebags.

 

Part of that probably has something to do with the fact that Ruth never knifed a hotel employee who tried to stop him from beating an bellboy. Or jumped into the stands to beat a handicapped heckler.

[OleMissCub]

Part of that probably has something to do with the fact that Ruth never knifed a hotel employee who tried to stop him from beating an bellboy. Or jumped into the stands to beat a handicapped heckler.

 

First off, Cobb didn't know the guy was handicapped (he had lost a several fingers in an industrial accident), and several of his teammates, including a few teammates who hated him, went into the stands with him after the guy.

 

Second, Cobb only pulled a knife (which was a pocketknife that didn't inflict much damage anyways) after he was struck in the head with a nightstick that split his his head open (the scars of which he carried on his head the rest of his life)

 

Third, Ruth punched several different umpires and assaulted his manager.

 

I don't know which behavior is worse.

[imb]

Part of that probably has something to do with the fact that Ruth never knifed a hotel employee who tried to stop him from beating an bellboy. Or jumped into the stands to beat a handicapped heckler.

 

First off, Cobb didn't know the guy was handicapped (he had lost a several fingers in an industrial accident), and several of his teammates, including a few teammates who hated him, went into the stands with him after the guy.

 

Second, Cobb only pulled a knife (which was a pocketknife that didn't inflict much damage anyways) after he was struck in the head with a nightstick that split his his head open (the scars of which he carried on his head the rest of his life)

 

Third, Ruth punched several different umpires and assaulted his manager.

 

I don't know which behavior is worse.

 

Are you joking?

 

Cobb knifed a guy who was only defending an innocent man and beat a handicapped heckler, and you're not sure if that is worse than Ruth punching someone?

 

First off, I read that the guy was missing three fingers on one hand, while he was missing the entire hand on his other arm. When fans told him to stop because the man was handicapped, Cobb reportedly said "I don't care if he has no feet!".

 

I'm sure you'll claim he never said that.

 

How you can defend stabbing someone with a pocket knife, because it doesn't do much damage, is ridiculous. Cobb was struck in the head with the nightstick because he was beating someone for no reason. Why are you defending that?

[OleMissCub]

I love how when you say "you read" something, it's actually just Wikipedia that you read, not like you actually read a book about the topic or had a book or two, or three, or four in front of you like I have. The "I don't care if he has no feet" line comes from Al Stump's biography, which isn't considered a credible biography.

 

But hey, you know more than me because you read a Wikipedia entry, it's not like I wrote a freaking 60 page thesis paper on the man. :roll:

[haltz]

Anything sort of brawl activity that happens on a baseball field is much safer than going into the stands (after a handicapped person?) or getting in a street fight with weapons. I can't believe that comparison is being made here.

 

I didn't know Ruth attacked three umpires. I thought he just had to be restrained once while he was pitching.

[imb]

I love how when you say "you read" something, it's actually just Wikipedia that you read, not like you actually read a book about the topic or had a book or two, or three, or four in front of you like I have. The "I don't care if he has no feet" line comes from Al Stump's biography, which isn't considered a credible biography.

 

But hey, you know more than me because you read a Wikipedia entry, it's not like I wrote a freaking 60 page thesis paper on the man. :roll:

 

So, no defense of your position other than a fanboy "I wrote big paper over him"?

[OleMissCub]

I love how when you say "you read" something, it's actually just Wikipedia that you read, not like you actually read a book about the topic or had a book or two, or three, or four in front of you like I have. The "I don't care if he has no feet" line comes from Al Stump's biography, which isn't considered a credible biography.

 

But hey, you know more than me because you read a Wikipedia entry, it's not like I wrote a freaking 60 page thesis paper on the man. :roll:

 

So, no defense of your position other than a fanboy "I wrote big paper over him"?

 

Hmmmm, a person who spent countless hours reading microfilm from 5 different newspapers about all the major incidents of his career and has read six or seven books about the guy vs. you, someone who is uninformed about the topic and is relying on Wikipedia.

 

Even the freaking NY Times sympathized with Cobb!