Rosenthal: Cubs Showing Interest in Jenkins

[BigbadB]

I didn't really think it was necessary to start a new thread just to throw a new name around, but I was just wondering if someone smarter than me could tell me the general consensus on the Diamondbacks Carlos Gonzalez....I saw a blurb on rotoworld saying that they were looking for a starter to replace Livan, and that he was their best trading chip available. All I really know about him is that he is a 21 year old left handed outfielder....

 

Basically I'm just wondering if A. He could potentially be ready to play in the majors next year/platoon in right in Murton B. If he's not quite ready and platooning him would just stunt his growth and C. Do we have anything near what it takes to go after him, if he's even worth it?

 

I'm aware this is completely out of nowhere, but I've been trying to look at anything to try and fix this right field thing, since it looks like the Cubs are set with "fan-favorite" Theriot at short. The Diamondback's need starting pitching, and we seem to have a surplus of potential starters...a 21 year old Lefty corner outfielder wouldn't be too bad to acquire, assuming the price wasn't too steep...

 

It would be a brilliant move on the Cubs part to get a guy like Carlos Gonzalez, however, it will never happen. The Cubs aren't willing to give their own prospects a chance. How on Earth is someone else's prospect going to get that chance?

[nick23]

I didn't really think it was necessary to start a new thread just to throw a new name around, but I was just wondering if someone smarter than me could tell me the general consensus on the Diamondbacks Carlos Gonzalez....I saw a blurb on rotoworld saying that they were looking for a starter to replace Livan, and that he was their best trading chip available. All I really know about him is that he is a 21 year old left handed outfielder....

 

Basically I'm just wondering if A. He could potentially be ready to play in the majors next year/platoon in right in Murton B. If he's not quite ready and platooning him would just stunt his growth and C. Do we have anything near what it takes to go after him, if he's even worth it?

 

I'm aware this is completely out of nowhere, but I've been trying to look at anything to try and fix this right field thing, since it looks like the Cubs are set with "fan-favorite" Theriot at short. The Diamondback's need starting pitching, and we seem to have a surplus of potential starters...a 21 year old Lefty corner outfielder wouldn't be too bad to acquire, assuming the price wasn't too steep...

 

It would be a brilliant move on the Cubs part to get a guy like Carlos Gonzalez, however, it will never happen. The Cubs aren't willing to give their own prospects a chance. How on Earth is someone else's prospect going to get that chance?

Because our prospects aren't very good. This guy is good.

[jersey cubs fan]

So Hendry said he's going to be looking for a "different type of player" to fill the RF spot, and I can only hope he meant it, and actually knows that Jenkins is no different from the slew of other part-time RFers he's had here.

[jersey cubs fan]

Instead of the Cubs signing Jenkins, I'd like to see the Bears sign him.

 

Give him uniform number 4.

 

Then, at least they'd have a quarterback who LOOKED like a Hall of Famer.

 

I've always had a hard time convincing people how much they look alike. It seems so obvious to me.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I didn't really think it was necessary to start a new thread just to throw a new name around, but I was just wondering if someone smarter than me could tell me the general consensus on the Diamondbacks Carlos Gonzalez....I saw a blurb on rotoworld saying that they were looking for a starter to replace Livan, and that he was their best trading chip available. All I really know about him is that he is a 21 year old left handed outfielder....

 

Basically I'm just wondering if A. He could potentially be ready to play in the majors next year/platoon in right in Murton B. If he's not quite ready and platooning him would just stunt his growth and C. Do we have anything near what it takes to go after him, if he's even worth it?

 

I'm aware this is completely out of nowhere, but I've been trying to look at anything to try and fix this right field thing, since it looks like the Cubs are set with "fan-favorite" Theriot at short. The Diamondback's need starting pitching, and we seem to have a surplus of potential starters...a 21 year old Lefty corner outfielder wouldn't be too bad to acquire, assuming the price wasn't too steep...

 

It would be a brilliant move on the Cubs part to get a guy like Carlos Gonzalez, however, it will never happen. The Cubs aren't willing to give their own prospects a chance. How on Earth is someone else's prospect going to get that chance?

Because our prospects aren't very good. This guy is good.

 

 

If the Diamondbacks need a SP, send them Marquis and a prospect.

[nilodnayr]

I didn't really think it was necessary to start a new thread just to throw a new name around, but I was just wondering if someone smarter than me could tell me the general consensus on the Diamondbacks Carlos Gonzalez....I saw a blurb on rotoworld saying that they were looking for a starter to replace Livan, and that he was their best trading chip available. All I really know about him is that he is a 21 year old left handed outfielder....

 

Basically I'm just wondering if A. He could potentially be ready to play in the majors next year/platoon in right in Murton B. If he's not quite ready and platooning him would just stunt his growth and C. Do we have anything near what it takes to go after him, if he's even worth it?

 

I'm aware this is completely out of nowhere, but I've been trying to look at anything to try and fix this right field thing, since it looks like the Cubs are set with "fan-favorite" Theriot at short. The Diamondback's need starting pitching, and we seem to have a surplus of potential starters...a 21 year old Lefty corner outfielder wouldn't be too bad to acquire, assuming the price wasn't too steep...

 

It would be a brilliant move on the Cubs part to get a guy like Carlos Gonzalez, however, it will never happen. The Cubs aren't willing to give their own prospects a chance. How on Earth is someone else's prospect going to get that chance?

Because our prospects aren't very good. This guy is good.

 

 

If the Diamondbacks need a SP, send them Marquis and a prospect.

Gonzalez is a no brainer top 50 prospect and possibly/probably top 25. In other words...you've set the bar pretty high for most ridiculous trade proposal of the day.

[Lefty]

So Hendry said he's going to be looking for a "different type of player" to fill the RF spot, and I can only hope he meant it, and actually knows that Jenkins is no different from the slew of other part-time RFers he's had here.

 

I've had Randy Winn on my brain for a while. I assumed it would be for Murton. But there was talk the other day of Marquis in an exchange of bad contracts. That's better, if not optimal.

[jersey cubs fan]

So Hendry said he's going to be looking for a "different type of player" to fill the RF spot, and I can only hope he meant it, and actually knows that Jenkins is no different from the slew of other part-time RFers he's had here.

 

I've had Randy Winn on my brain for a while. I assumed it would be for Murton. But there was talk the other day of Marquis in an exchange of bad contracts. That's better, if not optimal.

 

If Randy Winn is the big change in RF that would be awful.

[SouthSideRyan]

So Hendry said he's going to be looking for a "different type of player" to fill the RF spot, and I can only hope he meant it, and actually knows that Jenkins is no different from the slew of other part-time RFers he's had here.

 

I've had Randy Winn on my brain for a while. I assumed it would be for Murton. But there was talk the other day of Marquis in an exchange of bad contracts. That's better, if not optimal.

 

If Randy Winn is the big change in RF that would be awful.

 

If Matt Murton's the chip used to get him that would be worse.

 

Fritter, fritter there goes the payroll boost. True, a Jenkins/Murton platoon wouldn't be bad out there, and may even be a shade better than what we had in RF last year. But you know what would be even better?? Murton in RF + 5M to make an upgrade that actually means something! It's SOP all over again. Spend 6M on a lefty platoon partner in RF. Another 4M on a LOOGY for a slight upgrade on Ohman. 3M on a platoon partner for Pie. Maybe another 7M on a 5th starter once Sean Marshall is sent to prison for mudering Hendry's cats. Ta-da, 20M the Jim Hendry way.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah randy winn, let's address our problem of not getting on base enough and not hitting for enough power by getting a guy who doesn't have a high obp and doesn't hit for much power.

[jersey cubs fan]

yeah randy winn, let's address our problem of not getting on base enough and not hitting for enough power by getting a guy who doesn't have a high obp and doesn't hit for much power.

 

Well, he was an All Star in 2002 and he has his .281 with RISP over the course of his career.

[BigbadB]

If the Cubs can't get Fukudome to cross the pond, #2 on my FA wish list would be Milton Bradley. Bradley will likely be cheaper and has much more upside. Jenkins is probably 3rd on my list, but I'd prefer the trade route rather than drop down to Jenkins.

 

The money rumored to be offered up for Matsui would probably get the job done for Bradley. With Murton holding down the #4 outfield slot and Daryle Ward as a possible fill in until Bradley is ready, that's the route I'd probably go.

[brinoch]

Instead of the Cubs signing Jenkins, I'd like to see the Bears sign him.

 

Give him uniform number 4.

 

Then, at least they'd have a quarterback who LOOKED like a Hall of Famer.

 

I've always had a hard time convincing people how much they look alike. It seems so obvious to me.

 

Agreed. It's pretty obvious.

[TruffleShuffle]

If the Cubs can't get Fukudome to cross the pond, #2 on my FA wish list would be Milton Bradley. Bradley will likely be cheaper and has much more upside. Jenkins is probably 3rd on my list, but I'd prefer the trade route rather than drop down to Jenkins.

 

The money rumored to be offered up for Matsui would probably get the job done for Bradley. With Murton holding down the #4 outfield slot and Daryle Ward as a possible fill in until Bradley is ready, that's the route I'd probably go.

 

how long is bradley out though? does he miss any time in 2008?

[BigbadB]

If the Cubs can't get Fukudome to cross the pond, #2 on my FA wish list would be Milton Bradley. Bradley will likely be cheaper and has much more upside. Jenkins is probably 3rd on my list, but I'd prefer the trade route rather than drop down to Jenkins.

 

The money rumored to be offered up for Matsui would probably get the job done for Bradley. With Murton holding down the #4 outfield slot and Daryle Ward as a possible fill in until Bradley is ready, that's the route I'd probably go.

 

how long is bradley out though? does he miss any time in 2008?

 

From everything I've read, he hopes to be ready by Spring Training. But, that's probably a bit hopeful.

[E.J.]

If the Cubs can't get Fukudome to cross the pond, #2 on my FA wish list would be Milton Bradley. Bradley will likely be cheaper and has much more upside. Jenkins is probably 3rd on my list, but I'd prefer the trade route rather than drop down to Jenkins.

 

The money rumored to be offered up for Matsui would probably get the job done for Bradley. With Murton holding down the #4 outfield slot and Daryle Ward as a possible fill in until Bradley is ready, that's the route I'd probably go.

 

how long is bradley out though? does he miss any time in 2008?

 

From Rotoworld a while back:

 

Milton Bradley-OF- Padres Oct. 5 - 11:45 am et

 

Milton Bradley may need surgery to remove "loose bodies" from his right elbow, according to general manager Kevin Towers.

Bradley, a free agent this winter, is currently recovering from surgery to repair a torn ACL and MCL. He is going to struggle to be healthy for spring training and may need to sign a one-year deal to prove his health.

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

I would definitely take him on a one-year deal to see if he's going to be healthy.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah the problem is that bradley also has character issues, and jim would rather build a nice team that sucks than a good team with a couple of a-holes

[YearofDaCubs]

The only way I see Matsui signed is to help Fukodome sign here and make the transition to the states easier. Why we traded for Infante, I have no idea but maybe as someone pointed out he could be traded to another team.

[nilodnayr]

If the Cubs can't get Fukudome to cross the pond, #2 on my FA wish list would be Milton Bradley. Bradley will likely be cheaper and has much more upside. Jenkins is probably 3rd on my list, but I'd prefer the trade route rather than drop down to Jenkins.

 

The money rumored to be offered up for Matsui would probably get the job done for Bradley. With Murton holding down the #4 outfield slot and Daryle Ward as a possible fill in until Bradley is ready, that's the route I'd probably go.

 

how long is bradley out though? does he miss any time in 2008?

 

He probably won't be ready by ST or the start of the season. Don't forget, not only did he have a torn ACL, but he had a torn meniscus as well as right eblow surgury to remove loose bodies.

[Backtobanks]

The only way I see Matsui signed is to help Fukodome sign here and make the transition to the states easier. Why we traded for Infante, I have no idea but maybe as someone pointed out he could be traded to another team.

 

The Cubs could hire a dozen Asian personal assistants for Fukudome at a lot less money than paying Matsui.

[jersey cubs fan]

The only way I see Matsui signed is to help Fukodome sign here and make the transition to the states easier. Why we traded for Infante, I have no idea but maybe as someone pointed out he could be traded to another team.

 

The Cubs could hire a dozen Asian personal assistants for Fukudome at a lot less money than paying Matsui.

 

Plus a couple Japanese massage therapists.

[TruffleShuffle]

The only way I see Matsui signed is to help Fukodome sign here and make the transition to the states easier. Why we traded for Infante, I have no idea but maybe as someone pointed out he could be traded to another team.

 

The Cubs could hire a dozen Asian personal assistants for Fukudome at a lot less money than paying Matsui.

 

Plus a couple Japanese massage therapists.

 

wonder if they'll write the "happy ending" into Fukudome's contract

[SCCubbieFAN]

I didn't really think it was necessary to start a new thread just to throw a new name around, but I was just wondering if someone smarter than me could tell me the general consensus on the Diamondbacks Carlos Gonzalez....I saw a blurb on rotoworld saying that they were looking for a starter to replace Livan, and that he was their best trading chip available. All I really know about him is that he is a 21 year old left handed outfielder....

 

Basically I'm just wondering if A. He could potentially be ready to play in the majors next year/platoon in right in Murton B. If he's not quite ready and platooning him would just stunt his growth and C. Do we have anything near what it takes to go after him, if he's even worth it?

 

I'm aware this is completely out of nowhere, but I've been trying to look at anything to try and fix this right field thing, since it looks like the Cubs are set with "fan-favorite" Theriot at short. The Diamondback's need starting pitching, and we seem to have a surplus of potential starters...a 21 year old Lefty corner outfielder wouldn't be too bad to acquire, assuming the price wasn't too steep...

 

It would be a brilliant move on the Cubs part to get a guy like Carlos Gonzalez, however, it will never happen. The Cubs aren't willing to give their own prospects a chance. How on Earth is someone else's prospect going to get that chance?

Because our prospects aren't very good. This guy is good.

 

 

If the Diamondbacks need a SP, send them Marquis and a prospect.

Gonzalez is a no brainer top 50 prospect and possibly/probably top 25. In other words...you've set the bar pretty high for most ridiculous trade proposal of the day.

 

Thanks for being such an ass about it. u could have merely said that wouldn't get it done/be enough. It's replies like this that keep me away from most discussions on this board.

[squally1313]

I didn't really think it was necessary to start a new thread just to throw a new name around, but I was just wondering if someone smarter than me could tell me the general consensus on the Diamondbacks Carlos Gonzalez....I saw a blurb on rotoworld saying that they were looking for a starter to replace Livan, and that he was their best trading chip available. All I really know about him is that he is a 21 year old left handed outfielder....

 

Basically I'm just wondering if A. He could potentially be ready to play in the majors next year/platoon in right in Murton B. If he's not quite ready and platooning him would just stunt his growth and C. Do we have anything near what it takes to go after him, if he's even worth it?

 

I'm aware this is completely out of nowhere, but I've been trying to look at anything to try and fix this right field thing, since it looks like the Cubs are set with "fan-favorite" Theriot at short. The Diamondback's need starting pitching, and we seem to have a surplus of potential starters...a 21 year old Lefty corner outfielder wouldn't be too bad to acquire, assuming the price wasn't too steep...

 

It would be a brilliant move on the Cubs part to get a guy like Carlos Gonzalez, however, it will never happen. The Cubs aren't willing to give their own prospects a chance. How on Earth is someone else's prospect going to get that chance?

Because our prospects aren't very good. This guy is good.

 

 

If the Diamondbacks need a SP, send them Marquis and a prospect.

Gonzalez is a no brainer top 50 prospect and possibly/probably top 25. In other words...you've set the bar pretty high for most ridiculous trade proposal of the day.

 

Yeah I don't think Marquis gets the job done, and I'm pretty sure the same thing goes for Marshall. However, if we throw Hill at them, and manage to sign Fukodome to go along with Soriano, that would leave 3 young, cheap, good prospects in Pie, Gonzalez, and Murton for only 1 real position for the next few years....

 

With that, would we be able to package two of those guys, Cedeno, Marshall, plus pitching prospects for Tejada and Bedard, pick up a relatively cheap righty outfielder to platoon with Pie/Gonzalez (Kielty has a career 296/379/503/882 line against lefties), and let Dempster, Hart, Prior, Gallagher, etc fight it out for the number 5 spot?

 

Rotation

Zambrano

Bedard

Lilly

Marquis

Dempster/Prior/Hart/etc

 

Vs Righties/Lefties

Soriano/Soriano

Fukudome(Right Field)/DeRosa

Lee/Lee

Ramirez/Ramirez

Tejada/Tejada

DeRosa/Kielty(Right Field)

Soto/Soto

Pie/Gonzalez(Center)/Fukudome(Center Field)

Pitcher

(I didn't give much thought to the line up and know that Fukudome shouldn't be hitting 8th in any lineup, but you get the idea)

 

Sure, it would take a few prospects to get the deals done, but it allows us to keep a top outfield prospect, get a great young pitcher in Bedard, take care of the issue with Pie hitting lefties, and lets us improve a ton at shortstop. With the way Hendry's set up the big contracts, and the ages of our hitters, this kinda puts us in win now mode, and I think that lineup is pretty dangerous.

 

Note: Haven't really thought about salary too much, and if adding Tejada/Fukudome/Kielty would put us over our speculated limit...

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Diamondbacks need a SP, send them Marquis and a prospect.

Gonzalez is a no brainer top 50 prospect and possibly/probably top 25. In other words...you've set the bar pretty high for most ridiculous trade proposal of the day.

 

Thanks for being such an ass about it. u could have merely said that wouldn't get it done/be enough. It's replies like this that keep me away from most discussions on this board.

 

So the initial Marquis comment was serious?

 

Jason Marquis is a pretty crappy pitcher. But he's reasonably durable. He would work best with a high scoring team that needs somebody to give them innings at the bottom of their rotation. He may win you 12 games, but he's probably going to lose you at least another 12 making him a placeholder more than anything. He's been left off playoff rosters in two consecutive seasons, for two different teams. And right now he's got a 2/$16.25m contract.

 

A team like Arizona isn't going to have any much use for Marquis. They are relatively cost conscious, and can't score much. Perhaps they could use the innings out of a starter, but with $10m of a $50something million payroll going to Randy Johnson to not pitch, they need cheap pitching. Perhaps if the Cubs picked up most of the salary they'd take him. But I doubt it. What the Cubs need to do is find a team like the Yankees, that can hit but needs pitchers. But they are going to be hesitent to take on mediocre NL pitching, given their troubles. The NL version would be Philly, a team paying big money year after year that keeps coming up short thanks to a lack of pitching.