Rosenthal: Cubs Showing Interest in Jenkins

[Guest]

The only way I see Matsui signed is to help Fukodome sign here and make the transition to the states easier. Why we traded for Infante, I have no idea but maybe as someone pointed out he could be traded to another team.

 

The Cubs could hire a dozen Asian personal assistants for Fukudome at a lot less money than paying Matsui.

 

Plus a couple Japanese massage therapists.

 

wonder if they'll write the "happy ending" into Fukudome's contract

Dr. Bob Kelso style.

[nilodnayr]

Have you seen Khalil Greene's statistics away from Petco?

.659 career home OPS

.849 career away OPS

 

he swings at too much and doesn't draw enough walks, but he's still a mile better than any of the trash that we have available at SS.

 

He might not be available, either. But upgrading SS is where I believe we can get the most bang for the buck. Even a marginally decent SS, like Alex Gonzalez from the Reds, is a huge step up from Theriot. Sometimes you can't get a superstar, but our SS production was so bad that we don't need a superstar to make upgrading worthwhile.

 

I'd love to get Jhonny Peralta. Asdrubal Cabrera is SS and Cleveland needs to get Josh Barfield back on track at 2b. We just need to find what Cleveland needs to rid themselves of Peralta.

 

I read that Shapiro strongly declared that Jhonny Peralta was going to be their SS in 2008.

[nilodnayr]

Have you seen Khalil Greene's statistics away from Petco?

.659 career home OPS

.849 career away OPS

 

he swings at too much and doesn't draw enough walks, but he's still a mile better than any of the trash that we have available at SS.

 

I agree. He just doesn't bring to the table what this team needs.

 

Also, its best to adjust his home stats, rather than just throw them away.

 

this team needs something from SS though, and that's probably the biggest need.

 

I absolutely agree. But given our pitchers we don't need too strong of a defensive shortstop and given our offense we need a powerful and patient addition...hmmm I wonder who fits that bill.

[BigbadB]

I read that Shapiro strongly declared that Jhonny Peralta was going to be their SS in 2008.

 

I strongly declare that Shapiro needs to trade Peralta to the Cubs. Does that help?

[nilodnayr]

I read that Shapiro strongly declared that Jhonny Peralta was going to be their SS in 2008.

 

I strongly declare that Shapiro needs to trade Peralta to the Cubs. Does that help?

 

I meant that I read the quote...

[Derwood]

 

Gonzalez, Pie, Marmol, Gallagher, Cedeno, Marshall, Samardzija, Hart might be a starting point.

 

ha ha ha, right. if I were a GM and you wanted 8 of my players for 2 of yours, I would laugh at you, hang up, then call you back to laugh at you some more

[erik316wttn]

Jim Hendry must be stopped before it's too late.

We need to send in a team to take care of him. Who's interested in volunteering?

 

I'll try to call Jack Bauer.

[Guest]

Jim Hendry must be stopped before it's too late.

We need to send in a team to take care of him. Who's interested in volunteering?

 

I'll try to call Jack Bauer.

 

5 pages too late.

[badnews]

Pardon. It's kind of a letdown when we go through a topic like this and no one has a dissenting opinion on something that looks pretty iffy to me.

 

I don't much care for Carlos Gonzalez. Why have we just accepted at face value that he is a fantastic prospect? Maybe it's me. I don't like high strikeout/low walks "toolsy" outfielders as much as most people.

 

Lancaster and Tucson are pretty hitterific, especially Lancaster. His numbers in Double A don't jump out at me. He's struck out over 23% of his ABs since High A. His stolen base record is not anything to write home about. He's got the deadly 3:1 K/BB ratio. We've got Pie, if we're going prospect-hunting I'd rather look for a guy with a different game than this type.

 

I mean, Chris Young struck out a lot, that's one thing, but Chris Young also displayed an Isolated Power of near .250 in the minors, he was quite a basestealer, and he walked a lot so his K/BB ratio was only 2:1.

[cbbryan]

Pardon. It's kind of a letdown when we go through a topic like this and no one has a dissenting opinion on something that looks pretty iffy to me.

 

I don't much care for Carlos Gonzalez. Why have we just accepted at face value that he is a fantastic prospect? Maybe it's me. I don't like high strikeout/low walks "toolsy" outfielders as much as most people.

 

Lancaster and Tucson are pretty hitterific, especially Lancaster. His numbers in Double A don't jump out at me. He's struck out over 23% of his ABs since High A. His stolen base record is not anything to write home about. He's got the deadly 3:1 K/BB ratio. We've got Pie, if we're going prospect-hunting I'd rather look for a guy with a different game than this type.

 

I mean, Chris Young struck out a lot, that's one thing, but Chris Young also displayed an Isolated Power of near .250 in the minors, he was quite a basestealer, and he walked a lot so his K/BB ratio was only 2:1.

 

Hasn't anyone told you that the grass is always greener on the other side? /sarcasm

 

IMO, Pie will be fine if he's given the opportunity to start consistantly w/out stress of losing his job. The debate on who's prospects are better is exactly that............... a debate.

 

I think ARZ, LAD, and LAA especially have a terrific farm system. One the same hand, I thought the Cubs had a great farm system circa 2001-2003ish when we had Choi, Hill, Montanez, Jones, Sisco, Ryu, etc. And the farm system was thought highly of at the time too. How many of those players actually panned out?

 

I also believe that this team isn't in need of a bunch of prospects. I hope there's an offensive upgrade at SS and/or RF and that allows Pie to step in stress free in CF. While I still have my doubts about the SP on this club they should be able to easily win this division with their ability to pay greater payroll on their roster.

[badnews]

The Rays' farm system looks pretty good. LAA has maybe lost a tick, still nice enough though. The once thought of as a lock infield of the future, Kotchman/Morales, Kendrick, Aybar/Wood, McPherson and Mathis isn't where you thought they'd be, except for maybe Kendrick. The Dodgers have had their share of disappointments (According to what was written in 2003, Edwin Jackson was supposed to have a won a Cy Young by now, Joel Guzman an MVP), but they just keep stacking them up out there and for every disappointment there's a stud waiting to replace him, to say nothing of guys like Martin, Billingsley, Broxton, etc. Every year I think the Dodgers will win the NL West but they usually disappoint. Eventually Kershaw and Billingsley will solidify that rotation, they'll finally give LaRoche, Kemp, and Loney the playing time they deserve, and a back end of the bullpen of Saito, Broxton, and Meloan looks scary... right?

 

Josh Byrnes has been a great GM for the Diamondbacks. How many bad moves does he make? I can't think of one.

[illiniguy]

I would say that the eric byrnes contract would be a bad move.

[nilodnayr]

Pardon. It's kind of a letdown when we go through a topic like this and no one has a dissenting opinion on something that looks pretty iffy to me.

 

I don't much care for Carlos Gonzalez. Why have we just accepted at face value that he is a fantastic prospect? Maybe it's me. I don't like high strikeout/low walks "toolsy" outfielders as much as most people.

 

Lancaster and Tucson are pretty hitterific, especially Lancaster. His numbers in Double A don't jump out at me. He's struck out over 23% of his ABs since High A. His stolen base record is not anything to write home about. He's got the deadly 3:1 K/BB ratio. We've got Pie, if we're going prospect-hunting I'd rather look for a guy with a different game than this type.

 

I mean, Chris Young struck out a lot, that's one thing, but Chris Young also displayed an Isolated Power of near .250 in the minors, he was quite a basestealer, and he walked a lot so his K/BB ratio was only 2:1.

 

I agree with you, however, I thought Gonzalez was going to be passed along to another team in the scenario therefore his actual value isn't important, his perceived value is.

 

His strikeouts just don't come with enough walks for my liking in the upper levels. Lancaster definitely inflated his power, but at the same token hes 6'1" 170 so he has some filling out to do as he ages. For a 21 yr old 170 lb guy a 190 IsoP in the Southern league ain't too shabby (Pie had a 250 IsoP as a 20 yr old). I'm not a fan of really young guys who have a could good seasons in rookie and low A ball, but Gonzalez has proved it at more advanced levels. His stike strike out and walk rate are going to limit him if he doesn't improve.

 

The comparison to Pie is a good one.

[javy knows my name]

I would say that the eric byrnes contract would be a bad move.

He gets a pass on that because they are obviously kindred spirits.

[nilodnayr]

I would say that the eric byrnes contract would be a bad move.

He gets a pass on that because they are obviously kindred spirits.

 

In related news, Jim Hendry is changing his name to Jim Matsui.

[YearofDaCubs]

I would say that the eric byrnes contract would be a bad move.

Randy Johnson was pretty worthless for them too. And I sure hope he wasn't the GM who signed Russ Ortiz to that multi-year deal either.

[SouthSideRyan]

I would say that the eric byrnes contract would be a bad move.

Randy Johnson was pretty worthless for them too. And I sure hope he wasn't the GM who signed Russ Ortiz to that multi-year deal either.

 

Byrnes did not sign Russ Ortiz. I kinda liked the Johnson signing, and he was damn good for them before getting predictably hurt.