A-Rod for 30 million vs Soriano for 18 million

[jmajew]

Both players will be overpaid but who will give you the better performance for the money.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I would still take Arod.

[Abe Frohman]

If I had to choose one or the other, A-Rod in a heartbeat.

[jmajew]

If I had to choose one or the other, A-Rod in a heartbeat.

 

 

What if you could use the extra 12 million to get Fukodome/JD Drew (just an example). So you would have Soriano and Fukodome/Drew for 30 million compared to A-rod for 30 million.

[David]

If I had to choose one or the other, A-Rod in a heartbeat.

 

 

What if you could use the extra 12 million to get Fukodome/JD Drew (just an example). So you would have Soriano and Fukodome/Drew for 30 million compared to A-rod for 30 million.

 

ARod and Murton for 30.5 million.

[Tracer Bullet]

If I had to choose one or the other, A-Rod in a heartbeat.

 

 

What if you could use the extra 12 million to get Fukodome/JD Drew (just an example). So you would have Soriano and Fukodome/Drew for 30 million compared to A-rod for 30 million.

 

Are we talking in a vacuum or w/ the Cubs current roster? b/c ARod (SS), Murton (LF) and Jones (RF) >>>>> Theriot (SS), Soriano (LF), and Drew (RF) [with Jones on the bench].

[Tracer Bullet]

If I had to choose one or the other, A-Rod in a heartbeat.

 

 

What if you could use the extra 12 million to get Fukodome/JD Drew (just an example). So you would have Soriano and Fukodome/Drew for 30 million compared to A-rod for 30 million.

 

ARod and Murton for 30.5 million.

 

Agreed. But it's really ARod, Murton & X (in whatever corner Murton's not playing) v. Theriot, Soriano, and Drew, b/c if you take away Soriano, Murton goes back to LF and you need a RF (probably Jones). But as I just said, the ARod side is still much better.

[fiver]

The equation isn't even as simple as listing the players that could be acquired with the additional 12 million. One must consider how much and how quickly Soriano and AROD's ability will decline over the course of their contracts. I'm not clairvoyant, but I go with AROD. The Soriano contract is going get ugly and quickly, IMO.

[frostwyrm]

ARod. This is not even close to being a hard choice. The day is not far off when Soriano will be an average or worse LF and the leadoff thing just wastes his power. He also makes $19M over his last 5 years. With ARod you'll get an elite 3B for the whole contract and he'll actually produce RBI's because he doesn't have that absurd leadoff requirement.

[Shawon12]

The equation isn't even as simple as listing the players that could be acquired with the additional 12 million. One must consider how much and how quickly Soriano and AROD's ability will decline over the course of their contracts. I'm not clairvoyant, but I go with AROD. The Soriano contract is going get ugly and quickly, IMO.

 

 

Agreed. I'm afraid it will be ugly as quick as 2008. Arod in a heartbeat.

[Abe Frohman]

If I had to choose one or the other, A-Rod in a heartbeat.

 

 

What if you could use the extra 12 million to get Fukodome/JD Drew (just an example). So you would have Soriano and Fukodome/Drew for 30 million compared to A-rod for 30 million.

 

First off, I would never give Drew $12 million a year. Never. I would rather drop $12 million a year on Fukudome and hope it worked out. Since you said it was just an example, and if the Cubs only had that much to spend, I'd rather have Soriano and Fukudome than JUST A-Rod.

 

If I had the choice to spend $30m a year on Arod.....wait a minute, I'm going to take that back. I would never spend $30 million on ANY player. It's been a tough day.

 

Personally, I don't think that I would ever spend more than $15m on any one player. Unless I was spending someone else's money that didn't have a problem with it, that is.

[Backtobanks]

ARod. This is not even close to being a hard choice. The day is not far off when Soriano will be an average or worse LF and the leadoff thing just wastes his power. He also makes $19M over his last 5 years. With ARod you'll get an elite 3B for the whole contract and he'll actually produce RBI's because he doesn't have that absurd leadoff requirement.

 

While I agree that ARod seems like a better deal, there's no way to predict ARod will be an elite 3B for the whole contract. Also, Soriano strikes me as the type of player who could be reasonably productive for quite a few years, so you shouldn't say Soriano will fall apart at 35, but ARod will be phenomenal until he's 42.

[Abe Frohman]

Make no mistake about it, Alex Rodriguez is the best player in baseball. A $350 million dollar contract is absolutely ridiculous, though.

[nilodnayr]

The equation isn't even as simple as listing the players that could be acquired with the additional 12 million. One must consider how much and how quickly Soriano and AROD's ability will decline over the course of their contracts. I'm not clairvoyant, but I go with AROD. The Soriano contract is going get ugly and quickly, IMO.

 

 

Agreed. I'm afraid it will be ugly as quick as 2008. Arod in a heartbeat.

 

Well if you add in the signing bonus we paid 17M for a guy who out OPS'ed the NL average for his postion by 63 points. So, it was actually ugly in year 1.

[cbbryan]

Both players will be overpaid but who will give you the better performance for the money.

 

 

I'd take either over Clemens at $18 per even if it's pro-rated! :lol:

[Balsa]

I'd take Soriano if he patrolled CF...

[Guest]

ARod without question.

[Yanksfan1523]

It is easy to say A-Rod and he would be my choice in this. BUt you have to loook at more.

 

A-Rod an his 30-35 per =

 

 

Zambrano and D. Lee

Zambrano and A-Ram

Zambrano and Soriano

 

If you have 30-35 Million to spend, there are ways to do it and have it equal more than A-Rod. How about:

 

 

MANNY AND BECKETT!!!! --ANY DAY OVER A-ROD!!(AND YES, I HATE THE SAWKS!!)

Santana and Mauer

 

I agree with Artie Moreno-- it does not make good business sense to put that much into any one player.

[jaxxradio]

I would take Soriano and spend the 12 million on pitching or filling holes in the lineup.

 

BTW, with all due respect to A-Rod, he isn't the best player in the game. There is a guy in the AL East who has a higher career batting average, OBP, SLG and OPS. He has also won two rings and was named MVP in the 2004 WS. His name is Manny Ramirez, who unlike A-Rod, actually hits in the clutch and isn't 0-31 with runners on base in his last three post-season appearances.

[imb]

I would take Soriano and spend the 12 million on pitching or filling holes in the lineup.

 

BTW, with all due respect to A-Rod, he isn't the best player in the game. There is a guy in the AL East who has a higher career batting average, OBP, SLG and OPS. He has also won two rings and was named MVP in the 2004 WS. His name is Manny Ramirez, who unlike A-Rod, actually hits in the clutch and isn't 0-31 with runners on base in his last three post-season appearances.

 

.296/.388/.493

 

Really?

 

Manny with RISP .276.386/.448.834

 

ARod with RISP .333/.460/.678/1.138

 

Could you be more wrong? /chandler

[rocket]

I would take Soriano and spend the 12 million on pitching or filling holes in the lineup.

 

BTW, with all due respect to A-Rod, he isn't the best player in the game. There is a guy in the AL East who has a higher career batting average, OBP, SLG and OPS. He has also won two rings and was named MVP in the 2004 WS. His name is Manny Ramirez, who unlike A-Rod, actually hits in the clutch and isn't 0-31 with runners on base in his last three post-season appearances.

 

Especially from you, I figured you'd weight in A-Rod's defensive ability to determine the best player in the game.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

who unlike A-Rod, actually hits in the clutch and isn't 0-31 with runners on base in his last three post-season appearances.

 

oh, s*** not this again.

[Mephistopheles]

I would take Soriano and spend the 12 million on pitching or filling holes in the lineup.

 

BTW, with all due respect to A-Rod, he isn't the best player in the game. There is a guy in the AL East who has a higher career batting average, OBP, SLG and OPS. He has also won two rings and was named MVP in the 2004 WS. His name is Manny Ramirez, who unlike A-Rod, actually hits in the clutch and isn't 0-31 with runners on base in his last three post-season appearances.

 

Mannys a butcher in the OF. I think someone who is obsessed with pitching and defense like yourself would take that into account.

[jaxxradio]

IMB.. I don't think that's career numbers.. could be wrong though.. Rocket.. why would I include defense? Both guys are corner position players. Offense is the biggest thing from corner players.

 

Again, I am looking at both career numbers and Manny has Pay-Rod beat in batting average, OBP, slugging and OPS. I am just reciting the numbers that you guys hold dear to your hearts. Using those numbers (and A-Rod's horrible post-season numbers over the last four years while Ramirez has two titles and a WS MVP), how can you say that A-Rod is better??

[rocket]

ARod's excellent offense + His excellent defense at SS + His good defense at 3B > Manny's excellent offense + Manny's horrible defense.

 

I'm surprised you think that defense at 3B isn't significant.