College Football - Week of 11/10

[Soul]

Actually, I don't see how the SEC is stronger than the Pac-10 at all. This year it's LSU, then 2nd tier teams like Florida and Georgia. There are a ton of bottom-tier teams in that conference this year, from Mississippi State to Vandy to Ole Miss -- all are complete bunk.

 

Wow...TT, are you joking or drunk? The SEC has 11 bowl eligible teams this year...11. I think we'd played this game last year, and your SEC hatred is again clouding your judgment a bit, IMO.

 

The SEC's weak teams consist of Ole Miss and Ole Miss alone this year.

 

That's funny because 3 weeks ago you said Mississippi St was bad after they got blown out by West Virginia but then they beat Kentucky and Alabama and now they're good? Or is it just when they play BE teams they are bad like when Auburn lost to S.Florida? Maybe they're only good because:

A: They play horrible teams out of conference

B: Play all out of conference games at home

 

I don't deny that it's a solid conference, but it's not the best. No one has stood out to be that or proven to be that.

 

I don't think it's ever possible to "prove" a conference is better.

 

When I look at the SEC, to me it's clearly the best. I honestly think if a team like Oregon had to go through that SEC schedule, they'd put up at least 2 conference losses. Same goes for any of the other top teams in any other conference.

 

Name your team. They'd lose at least 2 in the SEC.

 

Tell me why you think it's the best.

 

I just did. Tell me why you think it isn't.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Ummm, I just did. Tell me why you think it isn't.

 

 

It is the best this year. The problem comes when people say krazy stuff like "name a team and they'd lose 2 in the SEC" based off the name of the schools.

[CuseCubFan69]

Actually, I don't see how the SEC is stronger than the Pac-10 at all. This year it's LSU, then 2nd tier teams like Florida and Georgia. There are a ton of bottom-tier teams in that conference this year, from Mississippi State to Vandy to Ole Miss -- all are complete bunk.

 

Wow...TT, are you joking or drunk? The SEC has 11 bowl eligible teams this year...11. I think we'd played this game last year, and your SEC hatred is again clouding your judgment a bit, IMO.

 

The SEC's weak teams consist of Ole Miss and Ole Miss alone this year.

 

That's funny because 3 weeks ago you said Mississippi St was bad after they got blown out by West Virginia but then they beat Kentucky and Alabama and now they're good? Or is it just when they play BE teams they are bad like when Auburn lost to S.Florida? Maybe they're only good because:

A: They play horrible teams out of conference

B: Play all out of conference games at home

 

I don't deny that it's a solid conference, but it's not the best. No one has stood out to be that or proven to be that.

 

I don't think it's ever possible to "prove" a conference is better.

 

When I look at the SEC, to me it's clearly the best. I honestly think if a team like Oregon had to go through that SEC schedule, they'd put up at least 2 conference losses. Same goes for any of the other top teams in any other conference.

 

Name your team. They'd lose at least 2 in the SEC.

 

Tell me why you think it's the best.

 

I just did. Tell me why you think it isn't.

 

I've already written 3 posts why. I don't see any from you yet other than just because.

[Mephistopheles]

You aren't seriously advocating that system are you? Using margin of victory? Please.

 

It's more accurate of a predictor than not using margin of victory. It may not be politically correct, but it should be used.

 

Most sophisticated models like that actually don't take pure points over. They scale down as you blow out a team. Others simply cutoff at 3 TDs or something. However, these modifications generally make the model less accurate, so that arguments not very effective.

 

Accurate for what, prediction? I don't see how that could be useful in football with its short schedules.

 

Accurate prediction for when two teams play a game. Sure its not perfectly accurate but its considerably more accurate than subjective methods and the polls.

 

I don't see this logic and it just works for the teams that run up the score and don't play anybody out of conference. WV didn't play White for the whole second half against Miss St so they get punished while Florida throws for 2 TD's in the last 3 minutes of a blowout against Florida International and that is better thing? Your examples are of SEC teams playing horrible teams and somehow getting credit for it. Number 2, it doesn't take into account where the games are played like road wins out of conference, another thing that helps the SEC teams.

 

I over simplified the system so the general idea can be digested. Yes, it does have a component of where the games are played. The system doesn't value one game as much as you think.

 

Those are just examples of numerous paths. I could have built the paths that go through Auburn --> USF --> UCF --> Texas --> OU --> etc. Every path is accounted for. No ones saying theyre perfect, they are, however, more scientific and accurate than whatever the spine tingling sensation causes you to rank teams in certain ways.

 

This is the best way to analyze conferences. No doubt about it. Everyone talks about saying such and such conference doesnt play well out of conference....this system quantifies the argument and holds NO BIAS. NO BIAS WHATSOEVER towards a certain set of teams like the sec.

[Soul]

Actually, I don't see how the SEC is stronger than the Pac-10 at all. This year it's LSU, then 2nd tier teams like Florida and Georgia. There are a ton of bottom-tier teams in that conference this year, from Mississippi State to Vandy to Ole Miss -- all are complete bunk.

 

Wow...TT, are you joking or drunk? The SEC has 11 bowl eligible teams this year...11. I think we'd played this game last year, and your SEC hatred is again clouding your judgment a bit, IMO.

 

The SEC's weak teams consist of Ole Miss and Ole Miss alone this year.

 

That's funny because 3 weeks ago you said Mississippi St was bad after they got blown out by West Virginia but then they beat Kentucky and Alabama and now they're good? Or is it just when they play BE teams they are bad like when Auburn lost to S.Florida? Maybe they're only good because:

A: They play horrible teams out of conference

B: Play all out of conference games at home

 

I don't deny that it's a solid conference, but it's not the best. No one has stood out to be that or proven to be that.

 

I don't think it's ever possible to "prove" a conference is better.

 

When I look at the SEC, to me it's clearly the best. I honestly think if a team like Oregon had to go through that SEC schedule, they'd put up at least 2 conference losses. Same goes for any of the other top teams in any other conference.

 

Name your team. They'd lose at least 2 in the SEC.

 

Tell me why you think it's the best.

 

I just did. Tell me why you think it isn't.

 

I've already written 3 posts why. I don't see any from you yet other than just because.

 

I'm too lazy to read back and find out. If it's just more non-conference record junk and margin of victory stuff, then with all due respect it's nonsense.

[Derwood]

just want to point out that "bowl eligible" doesn't mean "going to a bowl". Six wins makes you bowl eligible, but no 6-6 team should go to a bowl

[Derwood]

After Illinois loses this week they'll have three losses, and I'll assume they beat Northwestern. Purdont should beat Michigan State this week; next week's game at Indiana is kind of a tossup. Wisconsin probably loses this week against Michigan, which would give them four losses. Penn State has one conference game left, at Michigan State.

 

So... Illinois finishes with three losses, Purdue and Penn State will have either three or four. The thing is, if Penn State has three losses (same as Illinois) then they'll definitely go to a better bowl than Illinois, so the fact that Illinois beat Penn State pretty much means nothing.

 

sorry to call you out Truffle, but this is one of the worst bits of prognostication we've seen all year

[Soul]

After Illinois loses this week they'll have three losses, and I'll assume they beat Northwestern. Purdont should beat Michigan State this week; next week's game at Indiana is kind of a tossup. Wisconsin probably loses this week against Michigan, which would give them four losses. Penn State has one conference game left, at Michigan State.

 

So... Illinois finishes with three losses, Purdue and Penn State will have either three or four. The thing is, if Penn State has three losses (same as Illinois) then they'll definitely go to a better bowl than Illinois, so the fact that Illinois beat Penn State pretty much means nothing.

 

sorry to call you out Truffle, but this is one of the worst bits of prognostication we've seen all year

 

He's a weather man what do you expect 8-)

[Guest]

Wolf, how did you like Pasadena and the Rose Bowl?

[Magnetic Curses]

WOOOOOO ILLINOIS!!!!!!! What a GREAT game!

 

If they beat Northwestern next week, that's a 9-3 season! What a turnaround for Zook! And it can only help his recruiting nationally. I was looking forward to this season, but this I couldn't have imagined a season or game like this!

 

You mean it will help him recruit once he takes the Nebraska job or it will help him recruit Benn and Williams to transfer?

Zooks not going anywhere

 

yep. zook's been fired once already and he's spent a lot of time building illinois up to respectability. he's no spring chicken and i doubt he wants to go through it again in nebraska, despite the glamour of nebraska.

[SouthSideRyan]

yep. zook's been fired once already and he's spent a lot of time building illinois up to respectability. he's no spring chicken and i doubt he wants to go through it again in nebraska, despite the glamour of nebraska.

 

awesome.

[Soul]

yep. zook's been fired once already and he's spent a lot of time building illinois up to respectability. he's no spring chicken and i doubt he wants to go through it again in nebraska, despite the glamour of nebraska.

 

awesome.

 

Hehe.

 

What, you don't think the flatlands and the rows of corn conjure up visions of power & glory?