College Basketball 2007-2008

[illiniguy]

That's cute coming from a Tennessee fan.

wait, you mean two years doesn't make a legacy?

[Hosak8]

That's cute coming from a Tennessee fan.

wait, you mean two years doesn't make a legacy?

 

Legacy? Who's talking legacy? This thread is about basketball in 2008. Illinois is irrelevant. Indiana is not, and I was mostly just trying to get a rise out of some of you Big 10 homers. But, Illinois most definitely is.

 

Now, if this thread were entitled "Historical College Basketball", that would be an altogether different story.

[SouthSideRyan]

Indiana '08 basketball is relevant and Illinois '08 isn't? I don't expect a Tennessee basketball fan to know much about the college game besides having an overrated team that goes nowhere in the tourney, but I'd expect one to know about the biggest profile coaching change of the year, along with the repercussions that came with it.

[Hosak8]

Indiana '08 basketball is relevant and Illinois '08 isn't? I don't expect a Tennessee basketball fan to know much about the college game besides having an overrated team that goes nowhere in the tourney, but I'd expect one to know about the biggest profile coaching change of the year, along with the repercussions that came with it.

 

Yes, Indiana basketball is relevant, just as I said. Illinois is not. What are you not comprehending? Clearly something, because if you had understood what I said, the entire second sentence of your response would have been unnecessary.

[illiniguy]

That's cute coming from a Tennessee fan.

wait, you mean two years doesn't make a legacy?

 

Legacy? Who's talking legacy? This thread is about basketball in 2008. Illinois is irrelevant. Indiana is not, and I was mostly just trying to get a rise out of some of you Big 10 homers. But, Illinois most definitely is.

 

Now, if this thread were entitled "Historical College Basketball", that would be an altogether different story.

Yes, top 15 in wins and winning percentage and final fours all time is definately irrelevant. Good lord. Here's to hoping you guys make a final four. Ever. Hell get back to me when you have more tournament wins than St. Joes or Western Kentucky. When irrelevance is mentioned the very definition is Tennessee mens basketball.

[Exile on Waveland]

Illinois is three years removed from a two-loss season and an appearance in the championship game. They have one five-star player, three four-star players and one three-star player lined up for the 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes already. I'd say that's pretty relevant.

[illiniguy]

Illinois is three years removed from a two-loss season and an appearance in the championship game. They have one five-star player, three four-star players and one three-star player lined up for the 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes already. I'd say that's pretty relevant.

[-X Two five stars. Crandall is number 12 in the newest rankings.

 

 

But, we don't have Bruce Pearl, the greatest coach to ever coach a team.

[SouthSideRyan]

Indiana '08 basketball is relevant and Illinois '08 isn't? I don't expect a Tennessee basketball fan to know much about the college game besides having an overrated team that goes nowhere in the tourney, but I'd expect one to know about the biggest profile coaching change of the year, along with the repercussions that came with it.

 

Yes, Indiana basketball is relevant, just as I said. Illinois is not. What are you not comprehending? Clearly something, because if you had understood what I said, the entire second sentence of your response would have been unnecessary.

 

How is a team with 2 returning scholarship players relevant? Illinois is a borderline tourney team next year, but I think even even the homer-iest of IU fans would tell you Illinois is a better team next year and '09 barring some big gets by Crean.

[Exile on Waveland]

Illinois is three years removed from a two-loss season and an appearance in the championship game. They have one five-star player, three four-star players and one three-star player lined up for the 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes already. I'd say that's pretty relevant.

[-X Two five stars. Crandall is number 12 in the newest rankings.

 

 

But, we don't have Bruce Pearl, the greatest coach to ever coach a team.

 

My bad. The rivals commitment list for Illinois needs to be updated then. He's currently listed with no stars, and I didn't look at names. I would've known better if I had.

[illiniguy]

Illinois is three years removed from a two-loss season and an appearance in the championship game. They have one five-star player, three four-star players and one three-star player lined up for the 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes already. I'd say that's pretty relevant.

[-X Two five stars. Crandall is number 12 in the newest rankings.

 

 

But, we don't have Bruce Pearl, the greatest coach to ever coach a team.

 

My bad. The rivals commitment list for Illinois needs to be updated then. He's currently listed with no stars, and I didn't look at names. I would've known better if I had.

No biggie. I think Sulley is the only one who knew just how good Crandall is, he said he would be as good as Richmond and he was right.

[Exile on Waveland]

Indiana '08 basketball is relevant and Illinois '08 isn't? I don't expect a Tennessee basketball fan to know much about the college game besides having an overrated team that goes nowhere in the tourney, but I'd expect one to know about the biggest profile coaching change of the year, along with the repercussions that came with it.

 

Yes, Indiana basketball is relevant, just as I said. Illinois is not. What are you not comprehending? Clearly something, because if you had understood what I said, the entire second sentence of your response would have been unnecessary.

 

How is a team with 2 returning scholarship players relevant? Illinois is a borderline tourney team next year, but I think even even the homer-iest of IU fans would tell you Illinois is a better team next year and '09 barring some big gets by Crean.

 

First, two returning scholarship players is only a half-truth; Indiana is actually worse off than that sounds. (Kyle Tabor was a walk-on originally and has since earned a scholarship, but that happens often and I don't consider him a true scholarship player.) Second, I do think Indiana is relevant for next year -- to see how low they will sink, how an almost completely new team will mesh, and how the new coach will perform. I think you can be bad and relevant at the same time. UNC was relevant when they went 8-20, just for the anomalous record.

 

I certainly don't expect Indiana to be better than Illinois.

[CubColtPacer]

Indiana '08 basketball is relevant and Illinois '08 isn't? I don't expect a Tennessee basketball fan to know much about the college game besides having an overrated team that goes nowhere in the tourney, but I'd expect one to know about the biggest profile coaching change of the year, along with the repercussions that came with it.

 

Yes, Indiana basketball is relevant, just as I said. Illinois is not. What are you not comprehending? Clearly something, because if you had understood what I said, the entire second sentence of your response would have been unnecessary.

 

How is a team with 2 returning scholarship players relevant? Illinois is a borderline tourney team next year, but I think even even the homer-iest of IU fans would tell you Illinois is a better team next year and '09 barring some big gets by Crean.

 

I think that's exactly why he believes IU is relevant because of the blowup of the roster, the coach, everything. That's all news in the college basketball world, and IU has had a lot of news coverage over the last 3 months. Being that they'll be terrible next year and haven't been for a long, long time, that will also be news. Illinois, on the other hand, in his opinion will be mediocre with very little controversy. Their relevance probably comes back in 09 when the first of their huge recruits shows up.

 

Of course, he's taking everything from a national perspective, when the Illinois discussion on this board is based on a local perspective. It doesn't matter that Illinois 08 isn't a big deal nationally because the steps being taken are a big deal to Illinois and Big 10 fans, which makes it relevant to this thread. Not everything needs to rise to the level of national news.

[Guest]

That's cute coming from a Tennessee fan.

wait, you mean two years doesn't make a legacy?

 

Legacy? Who's talking legacy? This thread is about basketball in 2008. Illinois is irrelevant. Indiana is not, and I was mostly just trying to get a rise out of some of you Big 10 homers. But, Illinois most definitely is.

 

Now, if this thread were entitled "Historical College Basketball", that would be an altogether different story.

Yes, top 15 in wins and winning percentage and final fours all time is definately irrelevant. Good lord. Here's to hoping you guys make a final four. Ever. Hell get back to me when you have more tournament wins than St. Joes or Western Kentucky. When irrelevance is mentioned the very definition is Tennessee mens basketball.

 

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. I think he means that Illinois and Indiana will be irrelevant next year - which is true - while Tennessee won't. And when he says if you're talking historically then Tennessee is obviously the irrelevant team.

[SouthSideRyan]

He said Indiana is not irrelevant, which is true when viewed in a historical context when looking at a top program suffering through a painful low point next year, but he said he's not talking historical, I'm really confused where he's coming from.

[illiniguy]

That's cute coming from a Tennessee fan.

wait, you mean two years doesn't make a legacy?

 

Legacy? Who's talking legacy? This thread is about basketball in 2008. Illinois is irrelevant. Indiana is not, and I was mostly just trying to get a rise out of some of you Big 10 homers. But, Illinois most definitely is.

 

Now, if this thread were entitled "Historical College Basketball", that would be an altogether different story.

Yes, top 15 in wins and winning percentage and final fours all time is definately irrelevant. Good lord. Here's to hoping you guys make a final four. Ever. Hell get back to me when you have more tournament wins than St. Joes or Western Kentucky. When irrelevance is mentioned the very definition is Tennessee mens basketball.

 

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. I think he means that Illinois and Indiana will be irrelevant next year - which is true - while Tennessee won't. And when he says if you're talking historically then Tennessee is obviously the irrelevant team.

I don't think Tennessee will be all that relevant this year either. They lost a lot. They will be better than both of us though.

[Magnetic Curses]

i think the illini will be more relevant than people expect, at least when big ten season rolls around.

[Keener98]

I think its hilarious Hosak is calling people homers, when he is probably the biggest homer, and SEC homer(now that Meph is gone) on this board.

[Sosa21MVP]

Being that they'll be terrible next year and haven't been for a long, long time, that will also be news.

 

I don't know about that. The two year run of 29-29 under Mike Davis seemed pretty terrible to me.

[Hosak8]

He said Indiana is not irrelevant, which is true when viewed in a historical context when looking at a top program suffering through a painful low point next year, but he said he's not talking historical, I'm really confused where he's coming from.

 

Face it... Indiana, even when struggling (which they will do in 08-09) is more relevant everywhere else in the world, outside of Illinois. Indiana is a national program who makes headlines whether winning or losing. Illinois is a team that no one outside of Big 10 country knows or cares about except when winning. Illinois is on par with the South Carolina's and Florida State's of the college basketball world. In 2008, that is irrelevant. I'm sorry if that stirs an Illini fans inferiority complex, but it's true.

[illiniguy]

He said Indiana is not irrelevant, which is true when viewed in a historical context when looking at a top program suffering through a painful low point next year, but he said he's not talking historical, I'm really confused where he's coming from.

 

Face it... Indiana, even when struggling (which they will do in 08-09) is more relevant everywhere else in the world, outside of Illinois. Indiana is a national program who makes headlines whether winning or losing. Illinois is a team that no one outside of Big 10 country knows or cares about except when winning. Illinois is on par with the South Carolina's and Florida State's of the college basketball world. In 2008, that is irrelevant. I'm sorry if that stirs an Illini fans inferiority complex, but it's true.

But, Tennesse is??? Yeah, thought so.

[Hosak8]

That's cute coming from a Tennessee fan.

wait, you mean two years doesn't make a legacy?

 

Legacy? Who's talking legacy? This thread is about basketball in 2008. Illinois is irrelevant. Indiana is not, and I was mostly just trying to get a rise out of some of you Big 10 homers. But, Illinois most definitely is.

 

Now, if this thread were entitled "Historical College Basketball", that would be an altogether different story.

Yes, top 15 in wins and winning percentage and final fours all time is definately irrelevant. Good lord. Here's to hoping you guys make a final four. Ever. Hell get back to me when you have more tournament wins than St. Joes or Western Kentucky. When irrelevance is mentioned the very definition is Tennessee mens basketball.

 

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. I think he means that Illinois and Indiana will be irrelevant next year - which is true - while Tennessee won't. And when he says if you're talking historically then Tennessee is obviously the irrelevant team.

I don't think Tennessee will be all that relevant this year either. They lost a lot. They will be better than both of us though.

 

Tennessee did lose quite a bit. However, to call a team that will begin the year in the Top 15 or so, with SEC POY candidate Tyler Smith and a Top 10 (possibly Top 5, if Negedu signs) class irrelevant is laughable.

 

And, once more... I give props to both Indiana and Illinois for the program's historical relevance. Both have better and more storied histories than Tennessee- no one is debating that. I'm saying that right now- in this current year (and for the past 3) Illinois has been irrelevant. What has all you Illini fans with your panties in such a wad?

[illiniguy]

That's cute coming from a Tennessee fan.

wait, you mean two years doesn't make a legacy?

 

Legacy? Who's talking legacy? This thread is about basketball in 2008. Illinois is irrelevant. Indiana is not, and I was mostly just trying to get a rise out of some of you Big 10 homers. But, Illinois most definitely is.

 

Now, if this thread were entitled "Historical College Basketball", that would be an altogether different story.

Yes, top 15 in wins and winning percentage and final fours all time is definately irrelevant. Good lord. Here's to hoping you guys make a final four. Ever. Hell get back to me when you have more tournament wins than St. Joes or Western Kentucky. When irrelevance is mentioned the very definition is Tennessee mens basketball.

 

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. I think he means that Illinois and Indiana will be irrelevant next year - which is true - while Tennessee won't. And when he says if you're talking historically then Tennessee is obviously the irrelevant team.

I don't think Tennessee will be all that relevant this year either. They lost a lot. They will be better than both of us though.

 

Tennessee did lose quite a bit. However, to call a team that will begin the year in the Top 15 or so, with SEC POY candidate Tyler Smith and a Top 10 (possibly Top 5, if Negedu signs) class irrelevant is laughable.

 

And, once more... I give props to both Indiana and Illinois for the program's historical relevance. Both have better and more storied histories than Tennessee- no one is debating that. I'm saying that right now- in this current year (and for the past 3) Illinois has been irrelevant. What has all you Illini fans with your panties in such a wad?

3 years ago we were in the top 10.

[Hosak8]

He said Indiana is not irrelevant, which is true when viewed in a historical context when looking at a top program suffering through a painful low point next year, but he said he's not talking historical, I'm really confused where he's coming from.

 

Face it... Indiana, even when struggling (which they will do in 08-09) is more relevant everywhere else in the world, outside of Illinois. Indiana is a national program who makes headlines whether winning or losing. Illinois is a team that no one outside of Big 10 country knows or cares about except when winning. Illinois is on par with the South Carolina's and Florida State's of the college basketball world. In 2008, that is irrelevant. I'm sorry if that stirs an Illini fans inferiority complex, but it's true.

But, Tennesse is??? Yeah, thought so.

 

Right now? Yes. Thought so.

[illiniguy]

He said Indiana is not irrelevant, which is true when viewed in a historical context when looking at a top program suffering through a painful low point next year, but he said he's not talking historical, I'm really confused where he's coming from.

 

Face it... Indiana, even when struggling (which they will do in 08-09) is more relevant everywhere else in the world, outside of Illinois. Indiana is a national program who makes headlines whether winning or losing. Illinois is a team that no one outside of Big 10 country knows or cares about except when winning. Illinois is on par with the South Carolina's and Florida State's of the college basketball world. In 2008, that is irrelevant. I'm sorry if that stirs an Illini fans inferiority complex, but it's true.

But, Tennesse is??? Yeah, thought so.

 

Right now? Yes. Thought so.

Not outside of Tennessee you aren't. You were for about 4 days last year, then you choked and lost to Vanderbilt.

[Vanilla Ice]

He said Indiana is not irrelevant, which is true when viewed in a historical context when looking at a top program suffering through a painful low point next year, but he said he's not talking historical, I'm really confused where he's coming from.

 

Face it... Indiana, even when struggling (which they will do in 08-09) is more relevant everywhere else in the world, outside of Illinois. Indiana is a national program who makes headlines whether winning or losing. Illinois is a team that no one outside of Big 10 country knows or cares about except when winning. Illinois is on par with the South Carolina's and Florida State's of the college basketball world. In 2008, that is irrelevant. I'm sorry if that stirs an Illini fans inferiority complex, but it's true.

While Illinois might be irrelevant this year

 

1) Comparing them to Florida State or South Carolina is wrong

2) You are a Tennessee fan, so you have less credibility on issues of relevance than a UNC (MPrior) or UCLA fan (Raisin)

 

I don't even like Illinois