College Basketball 2007-2008

[Bruno7481]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

Not going to scream, I agree to a point.

 

They are 4-0 against UI, SIU, and Ill St though.

 

So it looks silly for fans of those teams to contantly say how bad IU is.

[jaydee]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

hey at least they aren't god awful at basketball like they are at football

[Keener98]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

Agreed

[brinoch]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

I think they can be a good team. And they probably should be a good team. In fact, I'll go so far as to say they that if they ran, you know, an OFFENSE, they'd be a very good team. Sampson is terrible.

[SouthSideRyan]

Twice they gave Illinois foul calls with less than 5 seconds in the game.

Yeah when IDKWTI hit Pruitt in the face as he went up to shoot. Definitely clean. Gimme a break.

 

Where, pray tell, did I say it was clean? Please, oh please, I beg you, show me where I said that it was clean. (Keep looking... you won't find it since I didn't say that.) I prefer it if you didn't put words into my mouth.

 

Hey, call the foul, by all means -- they certainly weren't shy about it SINCE THEY CALLED THE FOUL. But don't put the whistle in your pocket going the other way. Call it both ways. Pruitt fouled White in the act of shooting. It was as plain as day.

 

You don't see the difference between calling a foul on a 2 foot layup and a 75 foot heave by a center?

[Keener98]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

Not going to scream, I agree to a point.

 

They are 4-0 against UI, SIU, and Ill St though.

 

So it looks silly for fans of those teams to contantly say how bad IU is.

 

 

Why? Illini fans know we arent very good. And we have given IU all they could handle, and they have lost pretty easily to the 2 best teams they have played. I would think any basketball fan could see they are a flawed team, who will be lucky to make it past the 1st weekend of the tourney.

[SouthSideRyan]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

Not going to scream, I agree to a point.

 

They are 4-0 against UI, SIU, and Ill St though.

 

So it looks silly for fans of those teams to contantly say how bad IU is.

 

It would look silly if UI fans didn't constantly talk about how terrible their team is.

[Flames24Rulz]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

Not going to scream, I agree to a point.

 

They are 4-0 against UI, SIU, and Ill St though.

 

So it looks silly for fans of those teams to contantly say how bad IU is.

 

Why? I know SIU isn't that good this year. Illinois is terrible. But I have been very unimpressed with Indiana every time I watch them.

 

It's not just Sampson. A lot of players on Indiana don't have great basketball IQ. To dumb down to Illinois' level is pretty sad.

[jaydee]

By the way, McCamey is gonna be a great player

[SouthSideRyan]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

Not going to scream, I agree to a point.

 

They are 4-0 against UI, SIU, and Ill St though.

 

So it looks silly for fans of those teams to contantly say how bad IU is.

 

Why? I know SIU isn't that good this year. Illinois is terrible. But I have been very unimpressed with Indiana every time I watch them.

 

It's not just Sampson. A lot of players on Indiana don't have great basketball IQ. To dumb down to Illinois' level is pretty sad.

 

We outdumbed em in the end though!!! unguarded 10 second call from the chosen one??? HA!! We'll dribble it off our knee out of bounds!!

[brinoch]

Twice they gave Illinois foul calls with less than 5 seconds in the game.

Yeah when IDKWTI hit Pruitt in the face as he went up to shoot. Definitely clean. Gimme a break.

 

Where, pray tell, did I say it was clean? Please, oh please, I beg you, show me where I said that it was clean. (Keep looking... you won't find it since I didn't say that.) I prefer it if you didn't put words into my mouth.

 

Hey, call the foul, by all means -- they certainly weren't shy about it SINCE THEY CALLED THE FOUL. But don't put the whistle in your pocket going the other way. Call it both ways. Pruitt fouled White in the act of shooting. It was as plain as day.

 

You don't see the difference between calling a foul on a 2 foot layup and a 75 foot heave by a center?

 

No. There should be no judgment involved. A foul is a foul is a foul. If the whistle goes in the pocket for the last minute, then it goes in for both teams. Gordon thwacked Pruitt. So, I ask you, did Pruitt foul White? (I do disagree with the call on Ellis at the end of regulation. That was a crappy call.) In fact, I'd say that Gordon's foul was quite smart since Illinois shoots free throws about as well as my dead great-grandmother. Pruitt, on the other hand, stupidly hacked DJ White when there was about zero chance of him making the shot. That's a dumb foul and if Illinois isn't at home, that probably gets called.

[brinoch]

All I know is that Indiana is not a very good basketball team. And I can't wait to hear the IU fans on here scream at me saying it's a rivalry game, blah, blah, blah. They're not that good. Simple as that.

 

Not going to scream, I agree to a point.

 

They are 4-0 against UI, SIU, and Ill St though.

 

So it looks silly for fans of those teams to contantly say how bad IU is.

 

Why? I know SIU isn't that good this year. Illinois is terrible. But I have been very unimpressed with Indiana every time I watch them.

 

It's not just Sampson. A lot of players on Indiana don't have great basketball IQ. To dumb down to Illinois' level is pretty sad.

 

We outdumbed em in the end though!!! unguarded 10 second call from the chosen one??? HA!! We'll dribble it off our knee out of bounds!!

 

:lol:

[SouthSideRyan]

 

You don't see the difference between calling a foul on a 2 foot layup and a 75 foot heave by a center?

 

No. There should be no judgment involved. A foul is a foul is a foul. If the whistle goes in the pocket for the last minute, then it goes in for both teams. Gordon thwacked Pruitt. So, I ask you, did Pruitt foul White? (I do disagree with the call on Ellis at the end of regulation. That was a crappy call.) In fact, I'd say that Gordon's foul was quite smart since Illinois shoots free throws about as well as my dead great-grandmother. Pruitt, on the other hand, stupidly hacked DJ White when there was about zero chance of him making the shot. That's a dumb foul and if Illinois isn't at home, that probably gets called.

 

You won't get any argument that it was a colossally stupid play by Pruitt. Seriously? We need to get a hand in the face of a center as he shoots from 3/4 court??? I'd be fine if things were called strictly to the letter of the law, but you know that's not how things are done. The new rule seems to be if it had an adverse effect, you blow the whistle, otherwise you don't.

 

In the game we lost to Arizona earlier in the year, Arizona got the ball tied with about 1 second left at around 3/4 court and called a timeout they didn't have. The ref ignored the timeout and let the clock run out. I wasn't on here pissing and moaning about it cause come on, it didn't have any effect on how that last second was played so why end it like that. In the same manner, DJ White was not hitting a 75 foot heave, so why end it like that? It's the way things are called now, and have been for the past 10 years. To expect that call is ridiculous.

[Bruno7481]

This most likely won't go over well either, but I see no reason why Weber does not go through the line and shake the players hands. Is it a huge deal, no. He could even kicj Sampson in the nuts, but ignoring the players just makes him look ridiculous.

 

Ignore Sampson, no problem, but don't blow off the players.

[SouthSideRyan]

This most likely won't go over well either, but I see no reason why Weber does not go through the line and shake the players hands. Is it a huge deal, no. He could even kicj Sampson in the nuts, but ignoring the players just makes him look ridiculous.

 

Ignore Sampson, no problem, but don't blow off the players.

 

He'd look a lot worse if he shook everyone's hand and ignored Gordon. This is a kid that lied to him for months, I don't blame him for having some bad feelings towards him. I'd rather he be the better man, but I can see where he's coming from. Especially after how painful these 2 losses to IU have been.

[Bruno7481]

This most likely won't go over well either, but I see no reason why Weber does not go through the line and shake the players hands. Is it a huge deal, no. He could even kicj Sampson in the nuts, but ignoring the players just makes him look ridiculous.

 

Ignore Sampson, no problem, but don't blow off the players.

 

He'd look a lot worse if he shook everyone's hand and ignored Gordon. This is a kid that lied to him for months, I don't blame him for having some bad feelings to him. I'd rather he be the better man, but I can see where he's coming from. Especially after how painful these 2 losses to IU have been.

 

Weber has just, in my opinion, tried to take the high road with this situation in his public comments. But to see him to a 180 as soon as he reaches Sampson goes against all that.

 

Its not a big deal, just something I don't quite understand. If Sampson can walk through the line of Illinois players, Weber could do the same.

[Keener98]

This most likely won't go over well either, but I see no reason why Weber does not go through the line and shake the players hands. Is it a huge deal, no. He could even kicj Sampson in the nuts, but ignoring the players just makes him look ridiculous.

 

Ignore Sampson, no problem, but don't blow off the players.

 

He'd look a lot worse if he shook everyone's hand and ignored Gordon. This is a kid that lied to him for months, I don't blame him for having some bad feelings to him. I'd rather he be the better man, but I can see where he's coming from. Especially after how painful these 2 losses to IU have been.

 

Weber has just, in my opinion, tried to take the high road with this situation in his public comments. But to see him to a 180 as soon as he reaches Sampson goes against all that.

 

Its not a big deal, just something I don't quite understand. If Sampson can walk through the line of Illinois players, Weber could do the same.

 

Not the same thing at all the Illini dont have any players who lied to him for months like IU does.

[Guest]

UCLA goes into Pullman without Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and wins 67-59. UCLA now 9-1 in the conference with Stanford right behind at 8-2 (and then USC at 6-4). I think Darren Collison has bounced back from the injuries to play his way into the lottery.

[Guest]

By the way, good for that Illinois guy who shoved Gordon before the game.

[brinoch]

 

You don't see the difference between calling a foul on a 2 foot layup and a 75 foot heave by a center?

 

No. There should be no judgment involved. A foul is a foul is a foul. If the whistle goes in the pocket for the last minute, then it goes in for both teams. Gordon thwacked Pruitt. So, I ask you, did Pruitt foul White? (I do disagree with the call on Ellis at the end of regulation. That was a crappy call.) In fact, I'd say that Gordon's foul was quite smart since Illinois shoots free throws about as well as my dead great-grandmother. Pruitt, on the other hand, stupidly hacked DJ White when there was about zero chance of him making the shot. That's a dumb foul and if Illinois isn't at home, that probably gets called.

 

You won't get any argument that it was a colossally stupid play by Pruitt. Seriously? We need to get a hand in the face of a center as he shoots from 3/4 court??? I'd be fine if things were called strictly to the letter of the law, but you know that's not how things are done. The new rule seems to be if it had an adverse effect, you blow the whistle, otherwise you don't.

 

In the game we lost to Arizona earlier in the year, Arizona got the ball tied with about 1 second left at around 3/4 court and called a timeout they didn't have. The ref ignored the timeout and let the clock run out. I wasn't on here pissing and moaning about it cause come on, it didn't have any effect on how that last second was played so why end it like that. In the same manner, DJ White was not hitting a 75 foot heave, so why end it like that? It's the way things are called now, and have been for the past 10 years. To expect that call is ridiculous.

 

I seem to recall a technical called against Webber a while back for calling a time out when Michigan didn't have one... in a rather important game, too. I think Illini fans have a right to be pissed that the refs ignored that call.

 

I've seen ridiculous things called (and not called) at the end of games. I see a TON of awful hacking going on, and it's rarely called... except, then, sometimes it is called. And then sometimes awful calls are made (which generally benefit the home team or Duke). Ellis, for example, got hit with a relatively ticky-tack call at the end of regulation, and then Gordon was called for a fair foul at the end of OT. White gets the rebound and, yes, it was a heave, but Pruitt stupidly grabbed him and interfered with White's ability to get his shot off. That was a foul. I don't really care whether or not it gets called, as a single example. I care about consistent application of the game's rules. If you call Ellis and then Gordon, you have to call Pruitt. It was stupidly obvious, and it was a bad no-call. If you're making foul calls with under 10 seconds left like that, you need to make it both ways. Hell... Pruitt wasn't far short of tackling White.

[SouthSideRyan]

I seem to recall a technical called against Webber a while back for calling a time out when Michigan didn't have one... in a rather important game, too.

 

And it was a different situation. Whistles are blown based on context, it's just the way it's done. Webber was trapped in a corner by UNC defenders and stopped to motion for the time out. In doing so, he could've gained an advantage and gotten out of the trap. The Arizona player called it as time was clearly about to expire, and gained no advantage in doing so.

[brinoch]

This most likely won't go over well either, but I see no reason why Weber does not go through the line and shake the players hands. Is it a huge deal, no. He could even kicj Sampson in the nuts, but ignoring the players just makes him look ridiculous.

 

Ignore Sampson, no problem, but don't blow off the players.

 

He'd look a lot worse if he shook everyone's hand and ignored Gordon. This is a kid that lied to him for months, I don't blame him for having some bad feelings to him. I'd rather he be the better man, but I can see where he's coming from. Especially after how painful these 2 losses to IU have been.

 

Weber has just, in my opinion, tried to take the high road with this situation in his public comments. But to see him to a 180 as soon as he reaches Sampson goes against all that.

 

Its not a big deal, just something I don't quite understand. If Sampson can walk through the line of Illinois players, Weber could do the same.

 

Not the same thing at all the Illini dont have any players who lied to him for months like IU does.

 

I'm pretty sure that there are players all throughout the Big Ten who lied to other coaches who recruited them. High school kids are often morons. And dealing with these kids and their AAU coaches... I'm sure there's a lot of lying going around.

 

Weber and the Illinois players should rise above it. Lest you come back with more Gordon hatred... I'm just going to throw Luke Recker and Lawrence Funderburke out on the table.

[brinoch]

I seem to recall a technical called against Webber a while back for calling a time out when Michigan didn't have one... in a rather important game, too.

 

And it was a different situation. Whistles are blown based on context, it's just the way it's done. Webber was trapped in a corner by UNC defenders and stopped to motion for the time out. In doing so, he could've gained an advantage and gotten out of the trap. The Arizona player called it as time was clearly about to expire, and gained no advantage in doing so.

 

Context shouldn't matter. The rules are black and white. It's all the contextual interpretations and application hat give us the awful reffing we see in every single Big Ten game. If you applied the rules without regard to context, you would cut down significantly on overly physical play, there would be more turnovers, and much higher scoring games.

 

And, by the way, by your example, Pruitt gained an advantage for Illinois tonight (albeit a very slight one) when he prevented White from shooting. So, then, the foul should have been called. Because, after all, there's no way for the ref to know if that ball is going to go in -- despite the distance. Right?

[SouthSideRyan]

 

And, by the way, by your example, Pruitt gained an advantage for Illinois tonight (albeit a very slight one) when he prevented White from shooting. So, then, the foul should have been called. Because, after all, there's no way for the ref to know if that ball is going to go in -- despite the distance. Right?

 

Snipped the context discussion cause I already said I'd be fine with calling things to the letter of the law, but it's not how it's done.

 

And yes, Pruitt gained a tiny advantage in doing such, just as every time a player fouls, there is some tiny advantage to them. I already admitted that Pruitt made a ridiculous decision in coming within 20 feet of White, I already told you why it wasn't called, unless your argument is that White was going to make his 3/4 court shot, I'm not really understanding the argument.

[brinoch]

 

And, by the way, by your example, Pruitt gained an advantage for Illinois tonight (albeit a very slight one) when he prevented White from shooting. So, then, the foul should have been called. Because, after all, there's no way for the ref to know if that ball is going to go in -- despite the distance. Right?

 

Snipped the context discussion cause I already said I'd be fine with calling things to the letter of the law, but it's not how it's done.

 

And yes, Pruitt gained a tiny advantage in doing such, just as every time a player fouls, there is some tiny advantage to them. I already admitted that Pruitt made a ridiculous decision in coming within 20 feet of White, I already told you why it wasn't called, unless your argument is that White was going to make his 3/4 court shot, I'm not really understanding the argument.

 

I'm feeling querulous so I'm picking a useless argument.