2007 Venezuelan Winter League

[UK1679666180]

He has the tools to become a good defensive SS, just has never been able to take that step.

 

Fwiw, he had a .959 fielding % in .06. League fielding % was .975.

[craig]

I think Cedeno has always tended to make a lot of errors. Many talented young prospect SS's do, but reduce that with time. He hasn't been able to reduce them as sharply as do many SS's.

 

Seems to me he has several sources of errors. 1st, his arm is strong but not always super accurate. I think he's aways going to make some throwing errors. Some guys are just more accurate. With a 1B like Lee, that could cover for him a bit. 2nd, he simply misses grounders sometimes. I've always thought that might decrease with maturity. But I'm not sure to date that he's shown the consistent intense concentration that it takes to catch balls as well as consistently as possible. 3rd, I think he's sometimes not so smart, and sometimes tries to make plays that aren't there. It's one thing to make a bad throw on a grounder where an ordinary balanced throw is possible and could get the guy out by a step or more. It's another to throw away some off-balance throw while trying to make a great play, when even if you make the great play and throw the ball on the button the runner will still beat it out by two steps. So I think that a trying-to-make-a-crazy-play-that-isn't-there error here, one wild throw on a routine play there, and one missed groundball next week, and suddenly you're at the top of the VWL in SS errors and near the bottom in fielding percentage.

 

Again, those may get better with age and time, it's possible. They may also be protected a bit by a long good 1B like Lee. And I think that perhaps concentration might be a bit better in the majors if he isn't playing all the time. If you start every day in VWL or in Iowa, 7 days a week, even if you made an error on Monday and thursday, maybe it's easier for the concentration and focus to waiver a bit. But if you're playing 2-3 times a week, and if you know that your playing time may depend on performance, perhaps it's easier to keep your head in the game for 9 innings when you do play?

 

Not sure how Cedeno's overall defense, errors included, really compares to Theriot's. Cedeno seems to have more range and a somewhat stronger arm. So my guess might be that over the same time period where he's making two more errors than Theriot, that he might also be converting three groundballs into outs that Theriot can't. So that Cedeno might be a shade preferable overall, defensively, despite the errors.

[Guest]

Sunday:

 

Aragua won 3-2, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 0/4, SB (1)

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 6 H, 0 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 9 GO-4 FO, 1.93 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 1/12, 0 BB, 0 K, 1 HBP, 1/1 SB .083/.133/.083, 1 E

[Guest]

Monday:

 

Aragua lost 10-9, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 1/2, R, 2 RBI

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 6 H, 0 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 9 GO-4 FO, 1.93 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 2/14, 0 BB, 0 K, 1 HBP, 1/1 SB .143/.158/.143, 1 E

[UK1679666180]

Not sure how Cedeno's overall defense, errors included, really compares to Theriot's. Cedeno seems to have more range and a somewhat stronger arm. So my guess might be that over the same time period where he's making two more errors than Theriot, that he might also be converting three groundballs into outs that Theriot can't. So that Cedeno might be a shade preferable overall, defensively, despite the errors.

 

Theriot has better instincts and hands, but b/c he has a 2B arm at SS, he does play a couple steps in compared to a stronger armed SS which limits his range.

 

Neither of them are great offensively or defensively, Cedeno has a slightly higher ceiling and a lower floor if he struggles.

 

I'm hoping Cedeno takes that next step, but hope doesn't translate much when a kid has been in a system for 9 years.

[badnews]

Only a slighter higher ceiling? That's disappointing.

[Guest]

Tuesday:

 

Aragua won 5-0, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 0/4

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 6 H, 0 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 9 GO-4 FO, 1.93 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 2/18, 0 BB, 0 K, 1 HBP, 1/1 SB, 1 E, .111/.130/.111

[UK1679666180]

Only a slighter higher ceiling? That's disappointing.

 

Ronny's ceiling is that of a lower end ML regular starter and Theriot is a marginal/utility player, but Cedeno has further to go and short amount of time to get there.

[Guest]

Wednesday:

 

Aragua won 6-0, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 0/3, R, K, HBP, SB (2)

SP C. Bailey 5.2 IP, 0 R, 4 H, 4 K/0 BB, 12 GO-1 FO

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 1 ER, 10 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 0.87 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 2/21, 0 BB, 0 K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 1 E, .095/.148/.095

[Ryno12]

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 2/21, 0 BB, 0 K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 1 E, .095/.148/.095

 

You've got to love small sample sizes where a guy can get a 53 point boost in OBP from 2 HBPs.

[Guest]

Aragua didn't play on Thursday so no Cubs got into any games in Venezuela yesterday.

 

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 2/21, 0 BB, 0 K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 1 E, .095/.148/.095

 

You've got to love small sample sizes where a guy can get a 53 point boost in OBP from 2 HBPs.

 

The IsoD would be even higher if not for his 3 sacrifice bunts/flies (.078).

[BigbadB]

but Cedeno has further to go and short amount of time to get there.

 

Cool. A Smokey and the Bandit reference.

[NCCubFan]

but Cedeno has further to go and short amount of time to get there.

 

Cool. A Smokey and the Bandit reference.

East bound and down, loaded up and truckin',

we're gonna do what they say can't be done.

We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.

[Guest]

Friday:

 

Aragua won 11-4, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 1/2, R, HR (1), 2 RBI, BB, E (2, throw)

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 1 ER, 10 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 0.87 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 3/23, 1 HR, 1 BB, 0 K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 2 E, .130/.200/.261

[Guest]

Saturday:

 

Aragua won 10-5, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 1/5, R, 2 K

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 1 ER, 10 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 0.87 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 4/28, 1 HR, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 2 E, .143/.200/.250

[Guest]

Sunday:

 

Aragua won 3-0, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 0/4, K

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 1 ER, 10 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 0.87 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 4/32, 1 HR, 1 BB, 3 K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 2 E, .125/.179/.219

[Guest]

Monday:

 

Aragua won 10-7, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 0/4, R, K

SP C. Bailey 0+ IP, 5 ER, 6 H - talk about a clutch playoff start

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 6 ER, 17 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 5.23 ERA (ERA was 0.87 before today)

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 4/36 1 HR, 1 BB, 4K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 2 E, .111/163/.194

[Guest]

Wednesday:

 

Aragua lost 5-2, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 2/4, R, K, E (3, fielding)

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 6 ER, 17 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 5.23 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 6/40 1 HR, 1 BB, 5K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 3 E, .150/191/.225

[Guest]

Thursday:

 

Aragua won 9-0, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 1/3, R, RBI, BB

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 6 ER, 17 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 5.23 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 7/43, 1 HR, 2 BB, 5K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 3 E, .163/216/.233

[Bruno7481]

Ehhhhh...

 

Defense hasn't improved much during the playoffs. If he fields like that in ST he could hit .400 and Piniella won't put him out there.

[Guest]

Friday:

 

Aragua won 13-2, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 1/4, R, HR (2), 2 RBI, 2 K

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 10.1 IP, 6 ER, 17 H, 4 K/0 BB, 1 HBP, 21 GO-5 FO, 5.23 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 8/47, 2 HR, 2 BB, 7K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 3 E, .170/218/.298

[Guest]

Saturday:

 

Aragua won 8-2, box:

 

SP C. Bailey 5 IP, 0 R, 5 H, 7 K/1 BB, 7 GO-1 FO

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 15.1 IP, 6 ER, 22 H, 11 K/1 BB, 1 HBP, 28 GO-6 FO, 3.52 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 8/47, 2 HR, 2 BB, 7K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 3 E, .170/218/.298

[Guest]

Monday:

 

Aragua won 6-5, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 1/2, R, 2B (1), RBI, BB

 

Overall - Playoffs:

 

Cory Bailey (Aragua): 15.1 IP, 6 ER, 22 H, 11 K/1 BB, 1 HBP, 28 GO-6 FO, 3.52 ERA

Ronny Cedeño (Aragua): 9/49, 1 2B, 2 HR, 3 BB, 7K, 2 HBP, 2/2 SB, 3 E, .184/241/.327

[Rob]

And in today's "small sample size spectacular!"...

 

Since last Wednesday, Ronny is batting .384/.467/.692 with 4 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 BB, and 3 K

[CUBZ99]

And in today's "small sample size spectacular!"...

 

Since last Wednesday, Ronny is batting .384/.467/.692 with 4 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 BB, and 3 K

 

Yes, and his small sample size of .184/241/.327 in the playoffs is great. :)