Ankiel and HGH

[wade]

And how do we know that the shipment Ankiel received wasn't a lifetime supply? :D

 

This is fun.

 

Or how do we know that was his only source for performance enhancers?

[Faceman]

Could you please elaborate on the bolded?

I will for him.

 

Someone on a message board posted that Rick Ankiel was a user of cocaine.

 

Therefore, Rick Ankiel is a coke head. I don't see how someone could dispute it.

 

I'm not accusing Prior of anything, but if someone said it online, it must be true......

 

 

Mark Prior is an easy sacrificial lamb here - he is worthless to the Cubs right now. I suspect most Cubs fans will have no problem saying they'd suspend him. In 2003 however . . . not so much.

[wade]

so was HGH really legal in 2004, or just legal in the fairy tale world of the MLB?

 

I'm not sure. I bet not many doctors prescribe it to mid-twenty guys who are good athletes in the real world.

[NonProfitCow]

And how do we know that the shipment Ankiel received wasn't a lifetime supply? :D

 

This is fun.

 

How do we know he didn't jack up the price and sell them to DLee to make a quick buck? His numbers did jump in '05.

 

This really is fun. :roll:

[reggiemiller rules]

so was HGH really legal in 2004, or just legal in the fairy tale world of the MLB?

 

I thought that it was legal back then. I may be wrong but I remember a SI article come out around that time where WR David Boston talked about using them cause they were legal at the time.

[treebird]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

[BigbadB]

And how do we know that the shipment Ankiel received wasn't a lifetime supply? :D

 

This is fun.

 

How do we know he didn't jack up the price and sell them to DLee to make a quick buck? His numbers did jump in '05.

 

This really is fun. :roll:

 

Rick Ankiel sold it to Jose Macias, who in turn dropped it in DLee's coffee cup unbeknownst to Derrek. Yeah, that's it.

[The Voice of Reason]

Predictably, the early reaction from Cards fans here is heads in the sand, blaming the New York media for dredging this stuff up, etc.

 

 

Would you expect any less from fans that turned a blind eye to LaRusa's drunken binge, the drug use of Hancock and Spiezo and who dubbed Rick Ankiel "The Natural."

 

Yeah, he's about as Natural as Pamela Anderson's boobs. :roll:

 

Its not cause I am a Cards fan that I am defending Ankiel, if it came out that a Cubs player got HGH legally prescribed to him in 2004 when it was legal, and there was no proof that he has used it since I would defend him too. If it comes out that Ankiel is still using them, then I have no problem with him being suspended. But as for now he got something from a doctor, no doubt a shady doctor, but he got something that was legal at the time to help with his rehab. I dont really see how anyone can get that mad at him. I know this is gonna come off as a Cards homer, but this was a former phenom coming off injury trying to save his career. He saw that this drug HGH could help him do that and it wasnt illegal at the time, there is a good chance that alot of guys would have done the same thing to save their careers to

 

I respect your passion for defending all things Cardinal but isn't the "I thought it was OK because all the other kids are doing it" excuse supposed to end around junior high?

 

I thought the " I thought it was ok cause everyone else was" excuse only worked if you were doing something wrong. Ankiel got a prescription from a doctor to do a drug that was legal at the time. So I dont need to use that excuse cause there is no proof that Ankiel has done anything wrong or illegal.

 

You make it sound like Ankiel got the HGH on a visit to the Mayo clinic not through the mail from a sleazy "doctor."

 

http://nmsn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7199412

 

The pitcher-turned-outfielder is the latest athlete to be linked to the Florida pharmacy at the center of an investigation by the Albany County (N.Y.) district attorney's office into the illegal Internet distribution of performance-enhancing drugs.

 

Citing records the newspaper obtained, the Daily News said Ankiel got eight shipments of human growth hormone from Signature Pharmacy in Orlando from January to December 2004, including Saizen and Genotropin, two injectable drugs.

 

Signature is at the center of an investigation by the Albany district attorney's office. Authorities there have been looking into an Internet ring involving performance-enhancing drugs and allegedly involving athletes from several sports.

 

The probe recently led to the NFL suspensions of New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison and Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson.

[wade]

so was HGH really legal in 2004, or just legal in the fairy tale world of the MLB?

 

I thought that it was legal back then. I may be wrong but I remember a SI article come out around that time where WR David Boston talked about using them cause they were legal at the time.

 

I'm pretty sure a synthetic growth hormone would not have been available over the counter at any time. If David Boston had it, some quack prescribed it for him. David Boston legitimately would need HGH about as much as Hulk Hogan would.

[The Voice of Reason]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

[KyHen]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

Exactly. Whether or not it was illegal in baseball doesn't matter. It was illegal in the United States without a legitimate need for it.

[reggiemiller rules]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

[KyHen]

All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws.

I'm sure there are shady doctors out there that write illegal prescriptions all the time. If that is true, this is probably an example of it.

[The Voice of Reason]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

[reggiemiller rules]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

 

What is so hard for you to understand about what I am saying. I am saying that I dont agree with what he did but he didnt do anything illegal. If the doctor had a medical license and gave Ankiel a prescription then it wasnt illegal for Ankiel as far as I know. I will say it again he didnt deserve to have a prescription but he did therefore it wasnt illegal to use it no matter who the doctor is.

[KyHen]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

 

What is so hard for you to understand about what I am saying. I am saying that I dont agree with what he did but he didnt do anything illegal. If the doctor had a medical license and gave Ankiel a prescription then it wasnt illegal for Ankiel as far as I know. I will say it again he didnt deserve to have a prescription but he did therefore it wasnt illegal to use it no matter who the doctor is.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/020306BronxDoc.html

 

What are you talking about? Just because a doctor prescribes you something does not mean it's legal.

 

BRONX--- A New Jersey doctor has been indicted for illegally distributing the controlled substance hydrocodone by prescribing it in a manner inconsistent with accepted medical practice.

 

Based on what we know, HGH has very few legitimate medical uses -- at least legally. Rehabbing a baseball injury does not fit that bill. Essentially the same as that quoted paragraph.

[The Voice of Reason]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

 

What is so hard for you to understand about what I am saying. I am saying that I dont agree with what he did but he didnt do anything illegal. If the doctor had a medical license and gave Ankiel a prescription then it wasnt illegal for Ankiel as far as I know. I will say it again he didnt deserve to have a prescription but he did therefore it wasnt illegal to use it no matter who the doctor is.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/020306BronxDoc.html

 

What are you talking about? Just because a doctor prescribes you something does not mean it's legal.

 

Exactly. Thank you.

[reggiemiller rules]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

 

What is so hard for you to understand about what I am saying. I am saying that I dont agree with what he did but he didnt do anything illegal. If the doctor had a medical license and gave Ankiel a prescription then it wasnt illegal for Ankiel as far as I know. I will say it again he didnt deserve to have a prescription but he did therefore it wasnt illegal to use it no matter who the doctor is.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/020306BronxDoc.html

 

What are you talking about? Just because a doctor prescribes you something does not mean it's legal.

 

I am no legal expert so I dont know for sure but I thought it was illegal for the doctor, but not for whoever was recieving the prescriptions.

[KyHen]

I am no legal expert so I dont know for sure but I thought it was illegal for the doctor, but not for whoever was recieving the prescriptions.

That's pretty naive, though. So you think drug addicts that illegal obtain Codone or something to get high aren't at any legal risk? Furthermore, I'm sure Ankiel knew what he was doing was illegal.

[Faceman]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

 

What is so hard for you to understand about what I am saying. I am saying that I dont agree with what he did but he didnt do anything illegal. If the doctor had a medical license and gave Ankiel a prescription then it wasnt illegal for Ankiel as far as I know. I will say it again he didnt deserve to have a prescription but he did therefore it wasnt illegal to use it no matter who the doctor is.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/020306BronxDoc.html

 

What are you talking about? Just because a doctor prescribes you something does not mean it's legal.

 

BRONX--- A New Jersey doctor has been indicted for illegally distributing the controlled substance hydrocodone by prescribing it in a manner inconsistent with accepted medical practice.

 

Based on what we know, HGH has very few legitimate medical uses -- at least legally. Rehabbing a baseball injury does not fit that bill. Essentially the same as that quoted paragraph.

 

Completely unrelated to Ankiel - but if I go to a doctor, and he prescribes me something that is illegal - that is on the DOCTOR, not ME, correct?

 

Again - forget about HGH. If I go to my normal doctor, he gives me something that isn't legal, I don't have to research the med to make sure it's legal right? That why doctors are certified, no?

 

Now back to Ankiel. Is it wrong, sure. Illegal? Probably not for him to get it, only for the doctor to prescribe it.

[Faceman]

I am no legal expert so I dont know for sure but I thought it was illegal for the doctor, but not for whoever was recieving the prescriptions.

That's pretty naive, though. So you think drug addicts that illegal obtain Codone or something to get high aren't at any legal risk? Furthermore, I'm sure Ankiel knew what he was doing was illegal.

 

That's a drug problem, not a violation of law.

[Faceman]

And how do we know that the shipment Ankiel received wasn't a lifetime supply? :D

 

This is fun.

 

How do we know he didn't jack up the price and sell them to DLee to make a quick buck? His numbers did jump in '05.

 

This really is fun. :roll:

 

Really really really fun

 

http://baseballevolution.com/asher/bagwellconspiracy.html

 

First paragraph:

 

"At the beginning of the 2004 season, a buddy and I engaged in a debate about whether Jeff Bagwell used steroids. While initially not convinced that Bagwell used steroids, circumstantial evidence points not only to the conclusion that Bagwell used steroids, but also to the conclusion that he stands at the center of the baseball world as the steroid ring leader, the root of all steroid usage in the league. In fact, all major league steroid use can be traced directly to the Houston Astros first baseman. "

[reggiemiller rules]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

 

What is so hard for you to understand about what I am saying. I am saying that I dont agree with what he did but he didnt do anything illegal. If the doctor had a medical license and gave Ankiel a prescription then it wasnt illegal for Ankiel as far as I know. I will say it again he didnt deserve to have a prescription but he did therefore it wasnt illegal to use it no matter who the doctor is.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/020306BronxDoc.html

 

What are you talking about? Just because a doctor prescribes you something does not mean it's legal.

 

BRONX--- A New Jersey doctor has been indicted for illegally distributing the controlled substance hydrocodone by prescribing it in a manner inconsistent with accepted medical practice.

 

Based on what we know, HGH has very few legitimate medical uses -- at least legally. Rehabbing a baseball injury does not fit that bill. Essentially the same as that quoted paragraph.

 

Completely unrelated to Ankiel - but if I go to a doctor, and he prescribes me something that is illegal - that is on the DOCTOR, not ME, correct?

 

Again - forget about HGH. If I go to my normal doctor, he gives me something that isn't legal, I don't have to research the med to make sure it's legal right? That why doctors are certified, no?

 

Now back to Ankiel. Is it wrong, sure. Illegal? Probably not for him to get it, only for the doctor to prescribe it.

 

Yeah see this is what I am getting at. You guys are looking at weither it is right or wrong for Ankiel to do it. I don think that what doing HGH without a prescription is wrong. I have just been looking at the punishment point of view and if there is anything that anyone can do about it.

[cubscausestress]

the cardinal fans are being kind of lame, stop it

 

you can defend him or whatever, but let's not pretend he got a legit prescription for this stuff. that's ridiculous.

 

Yes it is.

 

Oh I agree with you guys here, I dont see why there would be any need for Ankiel to use HGH. All I am saying is if Ankiel had a prescription for it then which it looks like he did. Then it has yet to be proven how he has done anything illegal that broke either MLB or US laws. Now there is obviously a moral debate about if it was right or wrong no matter what the laws are. But that is all I have been trying to point out that so far nothing has come out that would warrant any sort of punishment.

 

What your failing to grasp is that the "perscription" might as well have come from Dr. Doolittle.

 

What is so hard for you to understand about what I am saying. I am saying that I dont agree with what he did but he didnt do anything illegal. If the doctor had a medical license and gave Ankiel a prescription then it wasnt illegal for Ankiel as far as I know. I will say it again he didnt deserve to have a prescription but he did therefore it wasnt illegal to use it no matter who the doctor is.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/020306BronxDoc.html

 

What are you talking about? Just because a doctor prescribes you something does not mean it's legal.

 

BRONX--- A New Jersey doctor has been indicted for illegally distributing the controlled substance hydrocodone by prescribing it in a manner inconsistent with accepted medical practice.

 

Based on what we know, HGH has very few legitimate medical uses -- at least legally. Rehabbing a baseball injury does not fit that bill. Essentially the same as that quoted paragraph.

 

Completely unrelated to Ankiel - but if I go to a doctor, and he prescribes me something that is illegal - that is on the DOCTOR, not ME, correct?

 

Again - forget about HGH. If I go to my normal doctor, he gives me something that isn't legal, I don't have to research the med to make sure it's legal right? That why doctors are certified, no?

 

Now back to Ankiel. Is it wrong, sure. Illegal? Probably not for him to get it, only for the doctor to prescribe it.

 

amazing. "it's not my fault! i know it's my own body and i should be concerned with what i put into it, but the doc said it's okay!"

 

everyone is so good at passing accountability off these days. take a damn stand and take responsibility for your own actions. you control the reigns on the road of life.

[KyHen]

I am no legal expert so I dont know for sure but I thought it was illegal for the doctor, but not for whoever was recieving the prescriptions.

That's pretty naive, though. So you think drug addicts that illegal obtain Codone or something to get high aren't at any legal risk? Furthermore, I'm sure Ankiel knew what he was doing was illegal.

 

That's a drug problem, not a violation of law.

Knowingly accepting an illegal drug prescription is not a crime? I doubt it.