Ankiel and HGH

[Faceman]

Ankiel has a number of holes in his swing. I've seen him play at memphis quite a bit. can hit the ball a long way yes, but swings and misses quite often.

 

He is doing better than I thought he would at the major league level, but still the holes are there.

[C.C.]

Ankiel has a number of holes in his swing. I've seen him play at memphis quite a bit. can hit the ball a long way yes, but swings and misses quite often.

 

He is doing better than I thought he would at the major league level, but still the holes are there.

 

 

Small sample.

[rocket]

 

People that condem Bonds but support Ankiel are either racists or fools.

 

 

i support bonds but condemn ankiel. is that ok?

[Peoriaman]

 

People that condem Bonds but support Ankiel are either racists or fools.

 

 

or Cardinal fans.

[The Voice of Reason]

 

People that condem Bonds but support Ankiel are either racists or fools.

 

 

i support bonds but condemn ankiel. is that ok?

 

Suit yourself. Note previous post.

 

I don't think anyone would disagree with you (outside of San Francisco) that Bonds is a jerk but despite the great job the authors of the Game of Shadows did documenting Bonds steroid use (mostly with circumstantial evidence), as far as I know, no one has ever tied him directly to the receipt of HGH. The same can't be said for the "Natural."

Sorry, I don't think "Jerks" should be held to a higher standard than "Fairy Tales."

[Guest]

 

People that condem Bonds but support Ankiel are either racists or fools.

 

 

i support bonds but condemn ankiel. is that ok?

 

I'm with Rocket. I support good hitters and condemn bad ones.

[Peoriaman]

1-18 since the news broke?

[UK1679666180]

1-18 since the news broke?

 

Combo of that and the league has figured him out, with his uppercut and slow bat, they learned how to pitch him and aren't speeding up his bat with offspeed and breaking balls anymore.

[The Voice of Reason]

Some nice perspective from Verducci on PEDS.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/09/11/long.postseason/index.html

 

The straight dope on PEDs

 

Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Jay Gibbons have been convicted of nothing, but reports that linked the ballplayers to delivery of performance-enhancing drugs -- in some cases, even after baseball began its punitive phase of drug testing -- are grim-but-necessary reminders for the rest of us. The age-old lessons are these: Don't put your faith in people you don't know (Gee, Martha, that Ankiel made for such a feel-good story) and assume that many athletes will cheat no matter what testing protocols are in place.

 

Even before those reports surfaced, I asked a veteran GM how many players he thought still use banned performance-enhancing drugs. His answer? "On average, I'd say about five per team."

 

You could say that's progress, given the hundreds of players doping in the decade before 2003 survey testing. But baseball never will have "eradicated" PEDs, the way commissioner Bud Selig would like us to believe.

 

Word on the baseball street is that HGH remains popular, and in some cases is used in conjunction with just enough steroids to remain under baseball's allowable testosterone-to-epitestosterone threshold.

 

HGH seems to be especially popular with players recovering from injury. Most players publicly connected to the drug thus far were dealing with injuries: Jason Grimsley, Jim Leyritz, David Segui, Ankiel, Glaus and Gibbons. Growth hormone stimulates the synthesis of collagen, which works to fortify cartilage, bones, tendons and ligaments -- and in some cases those joints and muscles may need fortification because they are stressed by steroid use.

 

More names will come out, of course, whether from the client list of Kirk Radomski, the former clubbie-turned-dealer, or the Mitchell Report or more busts of rogue doctors and pharmacies, and more ballplayers will continue to cheat, especially when the culture among them remains one of enablement and protection.

 

Surprise should no longer be in order, but that doesn't mean we should just get used to it. I, for one, don't want a game in which the team with the best chemist wins, nor a sporting world in which the needle is the inspiration for youth ballplayers.

 

Maybe what baseball needs is a PED czar, an expert medical professional dedicated to making certain the game is proactive on drug-related matters. If nothing else, it would be acknowledgement of the obvious: that no matter how much "closure" baseball wishes from the Mitchell Report, the PED issue is here to stay.

[Soul]

Yeah, that sounds pretty good to me.

[snoodmonger]

lol. From the ESPN comments section:

 

 

INGY_BINGLEBOP (9/8/2007 at 12:00 AM)

 

ANKIEL, I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU. YOU ARE NOW A STEROID USER JUST LIKE JOSE CANSECO AND BARRY BONDS. YOU SIGNED A BASEBALL FOR MY SON, BUT AFTER THIS NEWS GAME OUT, WE WENT OUTSIDE AND BURNED THE BASEBALL. EVERY BASEBALL CARD YOU HAVE EVER MADE, IT IS GOING TO BE BURNED. YOU HAVE RUINED THE GAME OF BASEBALL IN THIS HOUSEHOLD. I HOPE YOU LIVE WITH THIS IN YOUR SOUL.

 

He's right!!

 

No, J/K.

 

I definitely got a chuckle thinking about some Cards fan going out back and burning baseball cards of Ankiel. LOL.

 

it's probably cubbette's cousin in st. louis

 

lol

[Post Count Padder]

Some nice perspective from Verducci on PEDS.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/09/11/long.postseason/index.html

 

The straight dope on PEDs

 

Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Jay Gibbons have been convicted of nothing, but reports that linked the ballplayers to delivery of performance-enhancing drugs -- in some cases, even after baseball began its punitive phase of drug testing -- are grim-but-necessary reminders for the rest of us. The age-old lessons are these: Don't put your faith in people you don't know (Gee, Martha, that Ankiel made for such a feel-good story) and assume that many athletes will cheat no matter what testing protocols are in place.

 

Even before those reports surfaced, I asked a veteran GM how many players he thought still use banned performance-enhancing drugs. His answer? "On average, I'd say about five per team."

 

You could say that's progress, given the hundreds of players doping in the decade before 2003 survey testing. But baseball never will have "eradicated" PEDs, the way commissioner Bud Selig would like us to believe.

 

Word on the baseball street is that HGH remains popular, and in some cases is used in conjunction with just enough steroids to remain under baseball's allowable testosterone-to-epitestosterone threshold.

 

HGH seems to be especially popular with players recovering from injury. Most players publicly connected to the drug thus far were dealing with injuries: Jason Grimsley, Jim Leyritz, David Segui, Ankiel, Glaus and Gibbons. Growth hormone stimulates the synthesis of collagen, which works to fortify cartilage, bones, tendons and ligaments -- and in some cases those joints and muscles may need fortification because they are stressed by steroid use.

 

More names will come out, of course, whether from the client list of Kirk Radomski, the former clubbie-turned-dealer, or the Mitchell Report or more busts of rogue doctors and pharmacies, and more ballplayers will continue to cheat, especially when the culture among them remains one of enablement and protection.

 

Surprise should no longer be in order, but that doesn't mean we should just get used to it. I, for one, don't want a game in which the team with the best chemist wins, nor a sporting world in which the needle is the inspiration for youth ballplayers.

 

Maybe what baseball needs is a PED czar, an expert medical professional dedicated to making certain the game is proactive on drug-related matters. If nothing else, it would be acknowledgement of the obvious: that no matter how much "closure" baseball wishes from the Mitchell Report, the PED issue is here to stay.

This is why I like Verducci. Solid article

[The Voice of Reason]

The Natural's bogus story and the Cardinals defense of him continues to unravel.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports

 

 

The New York Daily News reported last week that Ankiel received HGH from Signature. Ankiel indirectly admitted using HGH the next day, saying he was under a doctor's care while he recovered from Tommy John surgery. Several medical experts said recovery from surgery is not a legitimate medical reason to use HGH, which is strictly limited to patients with HGH deficiencies.

Edited September 13, 2007 by The Voice of Reason

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Ankiel and Bartman could be twins

[Peoriaman]

Ankiel not in the line-up today. 2-22 since the revelation about HGH.

[Peoriaman]

just pinch-hit. swing strikeout. super-natural.

 

2-23.

[Soul]

Ankiel gets ahold of one....it's back, back......

 

 

..dies on the warning track, game over.

 

Mwahahahaah.

[KyHen]

CINCINNATI -– Cardinals outfielder Rick Ankiel acknowledged Thursday that he met with officials from Major League Baseball earlier this week about a report linking him to human grown hormone.

 

"I think it was a good thing to do and I was happy to help," Ankiel said. "I answered whatever questions they had. I was in full compliance with whatever they needed."

 

Representatives of the commissioner’s office met Ankiel on Tuesday before the opener of the Cardinals series at Cincinnati, the outfielder said. They had requested the meeting after a report in last Friday’s New York Daily News said Ankiel received eight shipments of HGH in 2004.

 

Ankiel has declined to address the validity of the report, saying that while he recovered from elbow surgery he took what a doctor prescribed him, and that he would not go into the specifics of those prescriptions.

 

An MLB official declined to confirm the meeting took place.

 

Cardinals general manager Walt Jocketty said he has not heard from the league office about a result of the interview.

 

A baseball source agreed with the description of Tuesday’s interview as a "fact-finding trip." The commissioner’s office spearheaded the visit with Ankiel, but any information deemed germane could be passed to the Mitchell Investigation, the probe into the use of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. MLB does expect to contact the organization with an official statement on Tuesday’s interview and its opinion on Ankiel’s involvement.

 

Under its current drug policy, baseball does not test for HGH and the drug was not banned by MLB until 2005. The newspaper report stated that Ankiel stopped receiving shipments before the ban took effect. Officials would not comment if Ankiel was likely to face any penalty from MLB.

 

The report stems from an Albany, N.Y.-based investigation into Signature Pharmacy. Blue Jays third baseman Troy Glaus and Baltimore outfielder Jay Gibbons reportedly received shipments of steroids from the pharmacy. MLB has requested meetings with both players.

 

"I answered all their questions ... and, absolutely, they were happy I was in full compliance," Ankiel said.

 

Asked if the officials gave him any impression on how the meeting went or what the interview might mean for him, the outfielder replied: "They said, ‘Go, continue on playing.’ "

 

Nothing really new.