Kendall Extension Watch

[jersey cubs fan]

Really? I guess we are talking about 2 different things. Because I clearly said that Soto should get a shot and Kendall was a contingency plan provided the Cubs got rid of Blanco and used the catchers properly.

 

So you'd sign Kendall to a 2/10 as a contingency plan? There's no way that happens. If Kendall is signed, he'll get most of the starts regardless.

 

And I don't see the Cubs trying to, or being able to get rid of Blanco.

 

Now, if you could get rid of Blanco at no cost, get Kendall to a 1 year/$1.5m deal, and let Soto start 60-70% of the games, I'd be all for it.

[rawaction]

Really? I guess we are talking about 2 different things. Because I clearly said that Soto should get a shot and Kendall was a contingency plan provided the Cubs got rid of Blanco and used the catchers properly.

 

So you'd sign Kendall to a 2/10 as a contingency plan? There's no way that happens. If Kendall is signed, he'll get most of the starts regardless.

 

And I don't see the Cubs trying to, or being able to get rid of Blanco.

 

Now, if you could get rid of Blanco at no cost, get Kendall to a 1 year/$1.5m deal, and let Soto start 60-70% of the games, I'd be all for it.

 

Well, I wasn't arguing that it would happen, just that I wouldn't mind it happening. :D I was probably a little high on the money end, but I think there's less of a chance of Kendall signing for 1.5M than anything else happening that has been stated in this thread.

[wvcbxl]

So you'd sign Kendall to a 2/10 as a contingency plan? There's no way that happens. If Kendall is signed, he'll get most of the starts regardless.

 

And I don't see the Cubs trying to, or being able to get rid of Blanco.

 

Now, if you could get rid of Blanco at no cost, get Kendall to a 1 year/$1.5m deal, and let Soto start 60-70% of the games, I'd be all for it.

 

So if Blanco stays, it'll be either Soto or Kendall as a Cub next year. Place your bets.

 

For the record: I'd keep Soto and let Kendall try his luck elsewhere.

[Derwood]

 

This is another case of Murton, DuBois, etc., etc. Just once I wish the Cubs would do the right thing.

 

turns out that they did the right thing with DuBois

[CubinNY]

 

This is another case of Murton, DuBois, etc., etc. Just once I wish the Cubs would do the right thing.

 

turns out that they did the right thing with DuBois

No they didn't. How many times does this have to be gone over?

 

Dubois didn't have to set the world on fire, all he had to do was play better than Todd Hollandsworth. The problem is that we don't know what would have happend becuase Dusty contiuned to trott out a crappy Hollandsworth.

 

It's probably not just the Cubs, its all the MLB. In the NFL you don't see crappy vets given playing time over cheaper and probably just as productive younger players.

 

Kendall is playing well but it's not a good bet that he will put up better numbers than Soto next year or the following.

 

My prediciton if Hendry is still GM, Kendall 2 years @ 4mll/year.

[Bruno7481]

 

This is another case of Murton, DuBois, etc., etc. Just once I wish the Cubs would do the right thing.

 

turns out that they did the right thing with DuBois

No they didn't. How many times does this have to be gone over?

 

Dubois didn't have to set the world on fire, all he had to do was play better than Todd Hollandsworth. The problem is that we don't know what would have happend becuase Dusty contiuned to trott out a crappy Hollandsworth.

 

It's probably not just the Cubs, its all the MLB. In the NFL you don't see crappy vets given playing time over cheaper and probably just as productive younger players.

 

Kendall is playing well but it's not a good bet that he will put up better numbers than Soto next year or the following.

 

My prediciton if Hendry is still GM, Kendall 2 years @ 4mll/year.

 

Dubois was terrible, he was terrible for the Cubs and for everybody else at the major league level. There just might be a reason he hasn't played in the major leagues since 2005, and it has nothing to do with the CUbs, Hendry, or Dusty.

 

He wished he could have Hollandsworth's career. The Cubs did exactly the right thing by not playing him.

[CubinNY]

 

This is another case of Murton, DuBois, etc., etc. Just once I wish the Cubs would do the right thing.

 

turns out that they did the right thing with DuBois

No they didn't. How many times does this have to be gone over?

 

Dubois didn't have to set the world on fire, all he had to do was play better than Todd Hollandsworth. The problem is that we don't know what would have happend becuase Dusty contiuned to trott out a crappy Hollandsworth.

 

It's probably not just the Cubs, its all the MLB. In the NFL you don't see crappy vets given playing time over cheaper and probably just as productive younger players.

 

Kendall is playing well but it's not a good bet that he will put up better numbers than Soto next year or the following.

 

My prediciton if Hendry is still GM, Kendall 2 years @ 4mll/year.

 

Dubois was terrible, he was terrible for the Cubs and for everybody else at the major league level. There just might be a reason he hasn't played in the major leagues since 2005, and it has nothing to do with the CUbs, Hendry, or Dusty.

 

He wished he could have Hollandsworth's career. The Cubs did exactly the right thing by not playing him.

 

It's not about a "career". It's about production, cost, and the future. Hollandswroth/Kendall are/were at the end of their carrer and not likely to get better and much likely to get worse. Nobody knows what the future holds for Soto and at the time for DuBois. But again, all of that is beside the point, somewhat.

 

Hollandsworth was terrible in 2005, DuBois just had to be slightly better than terrible. But he got the Murton treatement (or has Murton got the DuBois treatment?) so we don't know what he would have done given a little consistent playing time.

Edited September 1, 2007 by CubinNY

[CubColtPacer]

 

This is another case of Murton, DuBois, etc., etc. Just once I wish the Cubs would do the right thing.

 

turns out that they did the right thing with DuBois

No they didn't. How many times does this have to be gone over?

 

Dubois didn't have to set the world on fire, all he had to do was play better than Todd Hollandsworth. The problem is that we don't know what would have happend becuase Dusty contiuned to trott out a crappy Hollandsworth.

 

It's probably not just the Cubs, its all the MLB. In the NFL you don't see crappy vets given playing time over cheaper and probably just as productive younger players.

 

Kendall is playing well but it's not a good bet that he will put up better numbers than Soto next year or the following.

 

My prediciton if Hendry is still GM, Kendall 2 years @ 4mll/year.

 

Dubois was terrible, he was terrible for the Cubs and for everybody else at the major league level. There just might be a reason he hasn't played in the major leagues since 2005, and it has nothing to do with the CUbs, Hendry, or Dusty.

 

He wished he could have Hollandsworth's career. The Cubs did exactly the right thing by not playing him.

 

It's not about a "career". It's about production, cost, and the future. Hollandswroth/Kendall are/were at the end of their carrer and not likely to get better and much likely to get worse. Nobody knows what the future holds for Soto and at the time for DuBois. But again, all of that is beside the point, somewhat.

 

Hollandsworth was terrible in 2004, DuBois just had to be slightly better than terrible. But he got the Murton treatement (or has Murton got the DuBois treatment?) so we don't know what he would have done given a little consistent playing time.

 

May you be talking about 2005 instead of 2004? Hollandsworth was not terrible in 2004-far from it. He put up a .318/.392/.547 line. In fact, Hollandsworth's 2004 was probably the reason he was taking time away from Dubois in 2005.

 

Going into 2005, Hollandsworth's previous 6 years of OPS+ were: 103, 91, 150, 97, 96, 134. So mostly close to average with 2 very good years mixed in. Yes, he collapsed in 2005, but there was nothing in his history that would suggest that kept in a platoon that he wouldn't be around average or better in 2005.

Edited September 1, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[CubinNY]

 

This is another case of Murton, DuBois, etc., etc. Just once I wish the Cubs would do the right thing.

 

turns out that they did the right thing with DuBois

No they didn't. How many times does this have to be gone over?

 

Dubois didn't have to set the world on fire, all he had to do was play better than Todd Hollandsworth. The problem is that we don't know what would have happend becuase Dusty contiuned to trott out a crappy Hollandsworth.

 

It's probably not just the Cubs, its all the MLB. In the NFL you don't see crappy vets given playing time over cheaper and probably just as productive younger players.

 

Kendall is playing well but it's not a good bet that he will put up better numbers than Soto next year or the following.

 

My prediciton if Hendry is still GM, Kendall 2 years @ 4mll/year.

 

Dubois was terrible, he was terrible for the Cubs and for everybody else at the major league level. There just might be a reason he hasn't played in the major leagues since 2005, and it has nothing to do with the CUbs, Hendry, or Dusty.

 

He wished he could have Hollandsworth's career. The Cubs did exactly the right thing by not playing him.

 

It's not about a "career". It's about production, cost, and the future. Hollandswroth/Kendall are/were at the end of their carrer and not likely to get better and much likely to get worse. Nobody knows what the future holds for Soto and at the time for DuBois. But again, all of that is beside the point, somewhat.

 

Hollandsworth was terrible in 2004, DuBois just had to be slightly better than terrible. But he got the Murton treatement (or has Murton got the DuBois treatment?) so we don't know what he would have done given a little consistent playing time.

 

May you be talking about 2005 instead of 2004? Hollandsworth was not terrible in 2004-far from it. He put up a .318/.392/.547 line. In fact, Hollandsworth's 2004 was probably the reason he was taking time away from Dubois in 2005.

No I'm talking about 2005. By the end of the year both were gone. I mistyped the date in the original post. Thanks for the catch.

[RynoRules]

DuBois couldn't anything at the ML level other than a straight FB. That said, he should have been given a greater chance in 05' b/c the whole team stunk anyway.

 

I like Soto, but I don't see how one balloon yr at the AAA level (no longer a prospect league; its where crappy players go to die these days) equates to him being a better bet than Kendall. That said, I think it would be a better idea to let him go during the offseason.

 

I also don't think it makes sense to compare the Cubs position player prospects to the Brewers or Cards - Ankiel, Braun, and Hart are simply better than anything we have. Pitchers are another matter, and I think the org deserves more credit for its willingness to develop them.

[Peoriaman]

 

This is another case of Murton, DuBois, etc., etc. Just once I wish the Cubs would do the right thing.

 

turns out that they did the right thing with DuBois

No they didn't. How many times does this have to be gone over?

 

Dubois didn't have to set the world on fire, all he had to do was play better than Todd Hollandsworth. The problem is that we don't know what would have happend becuase Dusty contiuned to trott out a crappy Hollandsworth.

 

It's probably not just the Cubs, its all the MLB. In the NFL you don't see crappy vets given playing time over cheaper and probably just as productive younger players.

 

Kendall is playing well but it's not a good bet that he will put up better numbers than Soto next year or the following.

 

My prediciton if Hendry is still GM, Kendall 2 years @ 4mll/year.

 

Dubois was terrible, he was terrible for the Cubs and for everybody else at the major league level. There just might be a reason he hasn't played in the major leagues since 2005, and it has nothing to do with the CUbs, Hendry, or Dusty.

 

He wished he could have Hollandsworth's career. The Cubs did exactly the right thing by not playing him.

 

 

Amen. Hard to believe people are still hanging on to Dubois.

 

Choi was "screwed" too.

 

Let's face it, neither were major leaguers.