College Football - Week of 9/1

[snoodmonger]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

[tadowdaddy]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

 

Not a chance in hell KU finishes above KSU in the north. Top 3 in the north will be NU, MU, and KSU. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong.

[snoodmonger]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

 

Not a chance in hell KU finishes above KSU in the north. Top 3 in the north will be NU, MU, and KSU. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong.

 

 

lol. You'll eat crow.

[Post Count Padder]

i hope michigan never wins another game

Can I get an amen?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

 

What does KU bring back this year? I know the RB(lost his name, the Canadian) graduated, but that's as far as I go since I'm separated from my copy of Phil Steele's Preview at the moment.

[Post Count Padder]

Penn State wanting to see Michigan lose to a non-con team is like Cubs fans wanting to see St. Louis lose to, say, San Diego

Sounds about right.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

 

What does KU bring back this year? I know the RB(lost his name, the Canadian) graduated, but that's as far as I go since I'm separated from my copy of Phil Steele's Preview at the moment.

 

Im glad Phil Steele has caught on, buying his book last year changed my life.

[tadowdaddy]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

 

Not a chance in hell KU finishes above KSU in the north. Top 3 in the north will be NU, MU, and KSU. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong.

 

 

lol. You'll eat crow.

 

I don't see the basis for your argument. Mangino is a terrible coach, no more Cornish... 2 below avg qb's. KSU in Manhattan. What do you want to bet? I personally have met a few posters from this board, and guarantee to be good for my money.

[snoodmonger]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

 

What does KU bring back this year? I know the RB(lost his name, the Canadian) graduated, but that's as far as I go since I'm separated from my copy of Phil Steele's Preview at the moment.

 

Cornish was the RB, and yeah, he's gone. He'll be replaced by a guy (sharp) who averaged over 6/carry last season in limited action. We also have a bruiser RB (MacAnderson) who will see carries. I'd like Sharp to get the majority of the touches, but they make a nice lightning/thunder duo.

 

Both our QBs are back, but it looks like last year's starter is #2 on the depth chart this year. Todd Reesing is the guy. Great arm, smart guy, play-maker. A bit on the short side. Lacks experience.

 

Our wideouts are mostly returnees with a nice influx of freshman talent, and our O-Line should be solid. Returning pre-season all Big-XII Anthony Collins, and I believe our other tackle (Rivera? Rodriguez?) is returning.

 

Our pass D got lit up last year, but it should be better. Brought in some good frosh talent, and part of last year's prob was inexperience. Have pre-season AA Aqib Talib back. Also a juco transfer at the other CB. We return our linebackers from last season and 2 starting DL, including James McClintock, who's a beast. (At least by KU standards).

 

The biggest thing, though, is we've changed O coordinators. Our guy last year was a mess. No creativity, no flexibility, and some of the most questionable playcalling I've witnessed. That will be the biggest change. Last year we lost 4 games we had in the bag. This year, w a little experience and better play-calling, I think we'll win 8, maybe 9 games. (VERY soft chedule, too)

[snoodmonger]

I didn't know Mizzou was good. Hmm...

So it's basically them and Nebraska in the North?

 

Should be yeah. K-State should be decent but not great. I'm not expecting much out of Iowa State and Kansas, and I have no idea what to expect out of Colorado this year.

 

KU will be in the top 3 in the North. And we always have a shot at beating you clowns.

 

so they'll be third in the North?

 

We'll beat Nebraska at home. If we played you in Lawrence and not KC, I'd bet on us against you, too. We're not that much worse than Mizzou, and our coach isn't an idiot of epic proportions. The Big XII north is weak enough where we have a chance to compete.

 

Not a chance in hell KU finishes above KSU in the north. Top 3 in the north will be NU, MU, and KSU. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong.

 

 

lol. You'll eat crow.

 

I don't see the basis for your argument. Mangino is a terrible coach, no more Cornish... 2 below avg qb's. KSU in Manhattan. What do you want to bet? I personally have met a few posters from this board, and guarantee to be good for my money.

 

Reesing is very talented. Great arm, good play-maker. His rawness is a a concern. Our running backs will be fine. Sharp has skills and is quick as hell, BMac is a nice change of pace. I am concerned they'll make him the primary BC, though.

 

Passing offenses do scare me--at least until I've seen more evidence that we made big strides from last season, but your QB can't complete passes to save his life, and your O-Line is a sieve at best. Nice D, though. I don't think the Auburn game is much of a way to evaluate your team. Auburn's offense is one dimensional. Any O with wrinkles (Mizzou, Nebraska, us--hopefully) will be much harder to stop.

 

I was half-joking, though, with the dismissive confidence. I still think we'll beat you guys. With your o-line, I'll be surprised if Freeman is still alive by the time we play you.

 

And no, I don't bet.

[jjgman21]

I could be dead wrong on this, but I'm thinking the Wolverines do some soul searching this week, come out and destroy Oregon, then go on to a pretty good season.

 

I think App State was a really good team, best in div 1-AA in a long time, and Michigan just got ambushed and caught not taking it seriously.

 

Another reason I think this is because defenses tend to take a bit of time to get going in the Big 10. I think teams like Michigan and Ohio State will start to find their defense as they go along.

 

Really, Michigan can still win the Big 10, get a BCS berth, and come away with a very nice season in spite of this loss. They'll need to beat out the Badgers and N Lions, but it's still quite possible.

 

I've seen the blue & gold resurrect themselves enough times. They're very ND-like in that regard sometimes.

 

while it makes it a helluva lot more difficult, I don't think this loss even kills Michigan's chance at a national title, unless the voters do what they did last year and re-engineer how they do things just because they don't want them in the championship game again.

 

despite people in this very thread stating prospective outrage if they are still ranked, they are Michigan. their overratedness will not change. if they are out of the top 25, they'll still get some votes. beat Oregon next week, and they are back in the tip 25. win the next two against ND and PSU (probably both on national tv), they're top 15. keep winning, they keep passing teams. go into the final two weeks against a top 10 Wisconsin and a top ten OSU, win those, they are top five. conference championship game upset or two, they are top 2 or 3.

 

suddenly, that silly upset at the beginning of the year is forgotten, and if the voters do what they usually do, bump losing teams 4-7 slots, and Michigan is there waiting to move up, they very well may. but I would not doubt if the the voters did change the way they vote, not forgetting that loss (like last year they wouldn't forget about their loss to OSU), and will change their vote to suit the national media sentiment.

 

now I certainly don't think this is likely, because I don't think they are good enough, but it's really ironic that it's more detrimental losing a late season game against a good team then losing an early season game to a non BCS conference opponent. if they went undefeated all season and lost to UW or OSU in the final two weaks, there's no chance they make the BCS because there would be too many teams to jump over with too little time left.

[soccer10k]

I'm willing to bet at the end of the year, the voters will look back on Michigan's loss and rank them accordingly. I think the only way Michigan gets into the national championship game is if every team (except for one other besides Michigan) from a major conference loses 2 or more games. I could see the voters doing what they did last year and bumping Michigan down at the end of the year just to keep them out.

 

Michigan's season isn't over as they can still win the Big 10 and make a BCS game, but I just can't see them getting into the National Title game.

[jjgman21]

I'm willing to bet at the end of the year, the voters will look back on Michigan's loss and rank them accordingly. I think the only way Michigan gets into the national championship game is if every team (except for one other besides Michigan) from a major conference loses 2 or more games. I could see the voters doing what they did last year and bumping Michigan down at the end of the year just to keep them out.

 

Michigan's season isn't over as they can still win the Big 10 and make a BCS game, but I just can't see them getting into the National Title game.

 

like I said, it will all come down to whether the decide to re-engineer how they go about placing their votes, and I think that is quite likely. but again, I don't think we will ever know because from the beginning they were o-ver-ra-ted.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

I hope Mizzou gets another big game on TV once conference play starts, because I think it's ridiculous to say that Illinois is more talented. Illinois impressed me, no doubt (holy speed!), but Mizzou is a very talented team. I hope they get a chance to showcase it in the future.

 

Ridiculous?

 

I think Mizzou is solid, but I don't see immense talent oozing from them.

 

Illinois' talent is very raw, but I think there is more of it.

 

Yes, I think it's ridiculous. I think this year's Mizzou team is much more talented than this year's Illinois team. We have probably the best TE tandem in the nation, an outstanding QB, and some very solid WRs, along with (the very inconsistent -- stop dancing and hit the hole!) Tony Temple. Our offense has the potential to be in the top 10 in the nation. The defense is still a question mark, but I think the pieces are there.

 

I'm not trying to get into a big U of I/Mizzou argument here, because U of I impressed me in a lot of aspects today and I think we were very fortunate to get out of there with the W, but I think over the course of the season, Mizzou will show they are a lot better than they showed today and U of I will struggle a bit. Maybe that'll be different in a couple of years, but I don't think it will be this year.

 

i don't think it's ridiculous to make that assumption at all. illinois could have easily won the game with a freshman qb leading the way.

 

1. mendenhall is far superior to temple--yes, shard would have run for over 1,000 last year if he wasn't splitting carries with thomas. just ask moore about it, if there ever were a posterization in football.....

 

2. right now, benn is better than any wr that missouri has, period.

 

3. juice was on his way to a good day when he went down. mcgee showed just how talented he is and what kind of insurance policy the illini have if anything like that happens again.

 

4. talk about fumbles and questionable play calling, i'm still scratching my head as to why mcgee was running a sneak so far from the end zone when he just zipped a perfect slant route 2 plays before.

 

5. leman was the best defensive player on the field on saturday at the most important position.

 

i'd say that they were pretty evenly matched, but i'd give the overall talent nod to illinois, who won't have to wait a couple of years to mature. they'll win plenty of games this season and they'll be in a bowl.

 

illinois didn't need the win, they weren't expected to do it. there's no pressure on them and they flashed enough talent to scare people in the big ten.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't think you can definitively say that Benn is better than Franklin. Even then that statement is misleading with Mizzou's TEs, and statements like "Leman was the best defensive player on the field on either side"(Pig Brown ftw, literally) can also work for "Daniel + Coffman" and "offensive". That brings me to Leman. I know he's a great player, but was yesterday really a shining moment for him? Every 3rd down and short/medium was a guaranteed pass to Coffman in the middle of the field and he caught every single one of them. Like I said earlier, being there I didn't have the benefit of replay, but there were a ton of inside slants that chewed up yardage in what seemed to be Leman's territory.

 

Whatever though, we're not going to convince each other either way on something so subjective.

[Soul]

Yeah I don't think a big UI/Mizzou argument is going to be real productive.

 

I was just happy to see the Illini show some life for a change. I think they're on the way to better things, and considering where they are coming from I'm happy with that.

[chuckywang]

So the last two college football games that Thom Brennaman announced were Boise State/Oklahoma and Appalachian State/Michigan.

 

Someone buy me a ticket to his next game right now!

[Magnetic Curses]

I don't think you can definitively say that Benn is better than Franklin. Even then that statement is misleading with Mizzou's TEs, and statements like "Leman was the best defensive player on the field on either side"(Pig Brown ftw, literally) can also work for "Daniel + Coffman" and "offensive". That brings me to Leman. I know he's a great player, but was yesterday really a shining moment for him? Every 3rd down and short/medium was a guaranteed pass to Coffman in the middle of the field and he caught every single one of them. Like I said earlier, being there I didn't have the benefit of replay, but there were a ton of inside slants that chewed up yardage in what seemed to be Leman's territory.

 

Whatever though, we're not going to convince each other either way on something so subjective.

 

oh, i think it's easy to say that benn is better than mizzou's TE's as well. benn was consistently open down the field and routinely ignored, particularly on illinois' last offensive play. when he was thrown the ball, he was truly a man among boys. i don't really believe that he's 18 years old.

 

i'm not just talking about his performance at the game, but his ability and the probability of what he will do this season.

 

pig brown? his 15 minutes are likely up. right place, right time. nice little interception at the end, there, but not even close to the best defensive player on his own team. if you really want to talk defensive backs, vontae davis, plz. pig's name DOES bring up fond memories of the movie mad max: beyond thunderdome, though. i believe that pig brown was the name of the fuel that the city ran on.

 

as for leman, it was widely speculated that the spread would neutralize him, but it didn't. he can only be so many places at once, though.

[da bears]

Yeah I don't think a big UI/Mizzou argument is going to be real productive.

 

I was just happy to see the Illini show some life for a change. I think they're on the way to better things, and considering where they are coming from I'm happy with that.

 

Bingo. Illinois should be pretty good this year. Much better than I originally was going to give them credit for. For Mizzou's sake, I hope that they are good.

 

Oddly enough, each fan base seems pretty disappointed by this game. Illinois fans feel they should have won this game. And Mizzou fans are disappointed we almost blew another game. I guess I'm glad Mizzou won but they have got a lot of work to do to live up to the media picking them to win the north. I hope it's more of Illinois being good than Mizzou blowing it.

 

Anyways, hopefully in the next few years each team will be ranked and maybe we can get this thing on national tv.

[soccer10k]

Florida State isn't even pretending they're a good team this year and are down 21-0 in the second quarter to Clemson.

[TruffleShuffle]

Florida State isn't even pretending they're a good team this year and are down 21-0 in the second quarter to Clemson.

 

yeah clemson is pretty solid but the noles look AWFUL

[Soul]

Yeah I don't think a big UI/Mizzou argument is going to be real productive.

 

I was just happy to see the Illini show some life for a change. I think they're on the way to better things, and considering where they are coming from I'm happy with that.

 

Bingo. Illinois should be pretty good this year. Much better than I originally was going to give them credit for. For Mizzou's sake, I hope that they are good.

 

Oddly enough, each fan base seems pretty disappointed by this game. Illinois fans feel they should have won this game. And Mizzou fans are disappointed we almost blew another game. I guess I'm glad Mizzou won but they have got a lot of work to do to live up to the media picking them to win the north. I hope it's more of Illinois being good than Mizzou blowing it.

 

Anyways, hopefully in the next few years each team will be ranked and maybe we can get this thing on national tv.

 

I think I saw a blurb that Juice is likely to play next week, so that's certainly got to be good news for Illini fans.

[dew1679666265]

Florida State isn't even pretending they're a good team this year and are down 21-0 in the second quarter to Clemson.

 

yeah clemson is pretty solid but the noles look AWFUL

 

FSU's making a comeback. 24-18 Clemson with 11:31 left in the game. The Tigers better watch out, the Noles may perform bad, but they're talented when they decide to play.

[Guest]

The Pac-10 looking strong today.

 

I didn't get to the game tonight, but ASU just did exactly what they should have done to San Jose State.

 

Nice win for Cal. :D WSU kept it competitive against Wisconsin, USC did nothing to dispell their #1 ranking and UCLA won big. Good to see ASU win big but Oregon is going to be a concern against Michigan next week (unless I'm underrating Houston).

 

The offense looked great, there are some nice wrinkles and 624 yards is freaking impressive. Ben Olson looked fantastic. :D The defense did give up over 300 yards and 17 points, though.

[dew1679666265]

Clemson burned five minutes off the clock, but a bonehead move by their receiver sets up fourth down.

 

A terrific punt sets up FSU on its own 4 with 6:31 to go.