Lineup with Soriano out

[soapy]

I'm not typically big on these kinds of threads, but the discussion (argument) in the E. Patterson thread got me thinking about this. How would you set the lineup with Soriano out for the next month or so? You can call up people or whatever, but be realistic.

 

I'll even stretch it a bit further and say you can make some sort of "nominal" acquisition (for example, I'd acquire Pena if cheap in my scenario).

 

I guess I'd probably call up Pie now and send Patterson back down. See what the Sox want for Pena, probably not much. Call up Soto and DFA Hill (out of options, IIRC). I wouldn't normally be a big advocate for multiple platoons, but I think the Cubs are a little desperate for some more production, so I'd go like this:

 

Theriot SS

DeRosa 2B

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Jones/Pena RF

Murton/Floyd LF (Murton getting majority of the time. Not a strict platoon)

Kendall C

Pie CF (everyday)

Pitcher

 

Bench: Pagan, Soto (getting a lot of starts), Cedeno, Fontenot, Floyd/Murton, Jones/Pena

 

When Soriano comes back, Pagan or Pie is the odd man out. Hopefully Pie is playing well and it's easier to dismiss Pagan.

 

Explination:

RF:Jones/Pena in RF could actually be productive if Jones is turning it on a little and Pena is used primarily against LHP.

LF: I'd be up for playing Murton everyday, but I'm trying to remain somewhat realistic and at least just hope for a platoon. Hopefully he gets hot with some regular playing time.

C: Kendall would get the bulk of the playing time if his OBP continues to rebound. If he reverts back, Soto is there. Soto > Hill.

CF: Throw Pie in there. With (hopefully) increased production from LF and RF under this scenario, you can live with Pie in CF while he adjusts. Play him everyday until Soriano gets back, and then make a decision on who you want in CF.

[Skyballer]

And, when Sori is back, keep Theriot in the lead off spot.

[soapy]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

[Skyballer]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

Bye Bye, Cedeno. Good riddance.

[Electron Blue]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

Bye Bye, Cedeno. Good riddance.

 

not a CedenoFan?

[Skyballer]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

Bye Bye, Cedeno. Good riddance.

 

not a CedenoFan?

Do I have a reason to be?

[Bote McBoteface]

I'd be revisiting the Ryan Church and Jermaine Dye deals. Though it's unlikely either will make it to us through waivers.

[Tracer Bullet]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

Bye Bye, Cedeno. Good riddance.

 

not a CedenoFan?

Do I have a reason to be?

 

24-year-old SS for what is apparently your favorite team that sported a .921 OPS and .967 OPS in 2 stints at AAA when he was 22 and 24. Those 2 partial seasons total about 500 ABs. That's pretty good.

[JeffH]

At this point, Lou might as well pull the lineup out of a fedora.

[Skyballer]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

Bye Bye, Cedeno. Good riddance.

 

not a CedenoFan?

Do I have a reason to be?

 

24-year-old SS for what is apparently your favorite team that sported a .921 OPS and .967 OPS in 2 stints at AAA when he was 22 and 24. Those 2 partial seasons total about 500 ABs. That's pretty good.

He also sports many mental errors on defense, and can't hit at the ML level.

If he is gone, I will piss my pants with joy.

[Skyballer]

At this point, Lou might as well pull the lineup out of a fedora.

I think he does, still Theriot is the leadoff hitter in my book.

[Soul]

Theriot SS

DeRosa 2B

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Jones/Pena RF

Murton/Floyd LF (Murton getting majority of the time. Not a strict platoon)

Kendall C

Pie CF (everyday)

Pitcher

 

I can always tell we're in desperation mode when I start seeing lineups posted with players who aren't even on the team. It's like Hitler in the last days of WWII, moving armies that don't exist on the battlefield board.

[BigSlick]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

Bye Bye, Cedeno. Good riddance.

 

not a CedenoFan?

Do I have a reason to be?

 

24-year-old SS for what is apparently your favorite team that sported a .921 OPS and .967 OPS in 2 stints at AAA when he was 22 and 24. Those 2 partial seasons total about 500 ABs. That's pretty good.

He also sports many mental errors on defense, and can't hit at the ML level.

If he is gone, I will piss my pants with joy.

 

Whoa, whoa whoa. There is not enough proof yet to show that Cedeno can't hit at the major league level.

[Skyballer]

There is, of course, a flaw in my system that there are 14 position players, leaving room for only 11 pitchers. I'd probably send out Fontenot or Cedeno. But that only leaves one backup for SS/2B.

Bye Bye, Cedeno. Good riddance.

 

not a CedenoFan?

Do I have a reason to be?

 

24-year-old SS for what is apparently your favorite team that sported a .921 OPS and .967 OPS in 2 stints at AAA when he was 22 and 24. Those 2 partial seasons total about 500 ABs. That's pretty good.

He also sports many mental errors on defense, and can't hit at the ML level.

If he is gone, I will piss my pants with joy.

 

Whoa, whoa whoa. There is not enough proof yet to show that Cedeno can't hit at the major league level.

See: Ronny Cedeno AB

[soapy]

Theriot SS

DeRosa 2B

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Jones/Pena RF

Murton/Floyd LF (Murton getting majority of the time. Not a strict platoon)

Kendall C

Pie CF (everyday)

Pitcher

 

I can always tell we're in desperation mode when I start seeing lineups posted with players who aren't even on the team. It's like Hitler in the last days of WWII, moving armies that don't exist on the battlefield board.

true. but even with out pena, i'd likely go with the lineup above, with Murton hitting 5th against lefties.

[Shawon12]

I'm not typically big on these kinds of threads, but the discussion (argument) in the E. Patterson thread got me thinking about this. How would you set the lineup with Soriano out for the next month or so? You can call up people or whatever, but be realistic.

 

I'll even stretch it a bit further and say you can make some sort of "nominal" acquisition (for example, I'd acquire Pena if cheap in my scenario).

 

I guess I'd probably call up Pie now and send Patterson back down. See what the Sox want for Pena, probably not much. Call up Soto and DFA Hill (out of options, IIRC). I wouldn't normally be a big advocate for multiple platoons, but I think the Cubs are a little desperate for some more production, so I'd go like this:

 

Theriot SS

DeRosa 2B

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Jones/Pena RF

Murton/Floyd LF (Murton getting majority of the time. Not a strict platoon)

Kendall C

Pie CF (everyday)

Pitcher

 

Bench: Pagan, Soto (getting a lot of starts), Cedeno, Fontenot, Floyd/Murton, Jones/Pena

 

When Soriano comes back, Pagan or Pie is the odd man out. Hopefully Pie is playing well and it's easier to dismiss Pagan.

 

Explination:

RF:Jones/Pena in RF could actually be productive if Jones is turning it on a little and Pena is used primarily against LHP.

LF: I'd be up for playing Murton everyday, but I'm trying to remain somewhat realistic and at least just hope for a platoon. Hopefully he gets hot with some regular playing time.

C: Kendall would get the bulk of the playing time if his OBP continues to rebound. If he reverts back, Soto is there. Soto > Hill.

CF: Throw Pie in there. With (hopefully) increased production from LF and RF under this scenario, you can live with Pie in CF while he adjusts. Play him everyday until Soriano gets back, and then make a decision on who you want in CF.

 

Great post. Very well thought out and sensible. I'm all for getting Pena if he doesn't cost much in terms of players.

[Anomalied]

VS. RHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Mike Fontenot (2B)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Cliff Floyd (LF)

6. Mark DeRosa (RF)

7. Jacque Jones (CF)

8. Jason Kendall ©

 

VS. LHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Matt Murton (LF)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Mark DeRosa (RF)

6. Jason Kendall ©

7. Angel Pagan (CF)

8. Ronny Cedeno (2B)

[JeffH]

Cliff Floyd and Jacque Jones should be released immediately.

 

Furthermore, a court order should be obtained to keep them far, far away from Wrigley Field.

[Skyballer]

VS. RHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Mike Fontenot (2B)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Cliff Floyd (LF)

6. Mark DeRosa (RF)

7. Jacque Jones (CF)

8. Jason Kendall ©

 

VS. LHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Matt Murton (LF)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Mark DeRosa (RF)

6. Jason Kendall ©

7. Angel Pagan (CF)

8. Ronny Cedeno (2B)

Any platoon involving Cedeno is bad. He is a bench player.

And DeRosa is a RF.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

VS. RHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Mike Fontenot (2B)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Cliff Floyd (LF)

6. Mark DeRosa (RF)

7. Jacque Jones (CF)

8. Jason Kendall ©

 

VS. LHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Matt Murton (LF)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Mark DeRosa (RF)

6. Jason Kendall ©

7. Angel Pagan (CF)

8. Ronny Cedeno (2B)

Any platoon involving Cedeno is bad. He is a bench player.

And DeRosa is a RF.

 

that's probably why he listed him that way

[jersey cubs fan]

VS. RHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Mike Fontenot (2B)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Cliff Floyd (LF)

6. Mark DeRosa (RF)

7. Jacque Jones (CF)

8. Jason Kendall ©

 

VS. LHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Matt Murton (LF)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Mark DeRosa (RF)

6. Jason Kendall ©

7. Angel Pagan (CF)

8. Ronny Cedeno (2B)

Any platoon involving Cedeno is bad. He is a bench player.

And DeRosa is a RF.

 

that's probably why he listed him that way

 

Mark DeRosa is no RF.

 

He needs to rest some.

[Skyballer]

VS. RHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Mike Fontenot (2B)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Cliff Floyd (LF)

6. Mark DeRosa (RF)

7. Jacque Jones (CF)

8. Jason Kendall ©

 

VS. LHP

1. Ryan Theriot (SS)

2. Matt Murton (LF)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Mark DeRosa (RF)

6. Jason Kendall ©

7. Angel Pagan (CF)

8. Ronny Cedeno (2B)

Any platoon involving Cedeno is bad. He is a bench player.

And DeRosa is a RF.

 

that's probably why he listed him that way

 

Mark DeRosa is no RF.

 

He needs to rest some.

:oops: , I ment 2B.

Typo. :oops: