Ideas about Murton

[jersey cubs fan]

Well said. I have yet to see a MLB team not using a double cut.

 

It is to protect against a cut-off man getting missed.

 

It is to provide an easier target, so if one gets it, that doesn't mean you missed the other.

[Peoriaman]

well, as he made a throw that one of them corralled, I agree. The second guy is protection against the first guy being missed, and it worked. I think Sut made too much out of it, but the double cut did work. Now if he had thrown it over the second man's head, then a problem would have existed.

 

My point is the intent is to throw it to the 1st guy and if you miss, which he did, you have back up. He jsut didn't miss too badly. He ain't Sammy. :)

[jersey cubs fan]

well, as he made a throw that one of them corralled, I agree. The second guy is protection against the first guy being missed, and it worked. I think Sut made too much out of it, but the double cut did work. Now if he had thrown it over the second man's head, then a problem would have existed.

 

My point is the intent is to throw it to the 1st guy and if you miss, which he did, you have back up. He jsut didn't miss too badly. He ain't Sammy. :)

 

The intent is to throw to one of the two, and he succeeded in doing so.

[seanimal]

In order for this team to improve whatsoever we're going to have to ride Murton and make the obvious decision of getting Geovany Soto as many starts as possible.

[Peoriaman]

I don't see it as a given that Murton will outperform Floyd down the stretch. If I were Piniella, I would play Murton against lefties, and Floyd against righties.

[davearm]

well, as he made a throw that one of them corralled, I agree. The second guy is protection against the first guy being missed, and it worked. I think Sut made too much out of it, but the double cut did work. Now if he had thrown it over the second man's head, then a problem would have existed.

 

My point is the intent is to throw it to the 1st guy and if you miss, which he did, you have back up. He jsut didn't miss too badly. He ain't Sammy. :)

 

The intent is to throw to one of the two, and he succeeded in doing so.

This thing is not drawn up like some sort of option play, where the OF has a choice of which infielder to throw to. And "just throw it somewhere over thisaway and one of the guys will grab it" is certainly not the plan.

 

The design is to have the first guy as the intended cutoff man, with the second, trailing guy giving the first guy (who has his back to the infield awaiting the OF's throw) verbal direction on where to go with the relay throw. Providing backup for the OF's throw is guy #2's secondary responsibility.

 

The bottom line is that if the ball ends up with guy #2, there was a problem with the throw in from the OF... either the throw itself was offline or long/short, or possibly guy #1 wasn't where he should've been.

[Peoriaman]

well, as he made a throw that one of them corralled, I agree. The second guy is protection against the first guy being missed, and it worked. I think Sut made too much out of it, but the double cut did work. Now if he had thrown it over the second man's head, then a problem would have existed.

 

My point is the intent is to throw it to the 1st guy and if you miss, which he did, you have back up. He jsut didn't miss too badly. He ain't Sammy. :)

 

The intent is to throw to one of the two, and he succeeded in doing so.

This thing is not drawn up like some sort of option play, where the OF has a choice of which infielder to throw to. And "just throw it somewhere over thisaway and one of the guys will grab it" is certainly not the plan.

 

The design is to have the first guy as the intended cutoff man, with the second, trailing guy giving the first guy (who has his back to the infield awaiting the OF's throw) verbal direction on where to go with the relay throw. Providing backup for the OF's throw is guy #2's secondary responsibility.

 

The bottom line is that if the ball ends up with guy #2, there was a problem with the throw in from the OF... either the throw itself was offline or long/short, or possibly guy #1 wasn't where he should've been.

 

 

well said--better than I said it. :)

[brinoch]

I played both the OF and SS/2B until I was 18 and stopped playing, and we played with two cuts, and you always tried to hit the cut closest to the plate.

 

I just watched the Brewers throw Delgado out at home. The throw went to the second cut-off man, Graffanino, who threw to home for the out.

[Tracer Bullet]

well, as he made a throw that one of them corralled, I agree. The second guy is protection against the first guy being missed, and it worked. I think Sut made too much out of it, but the double cut did work. Now if he had thrown it over the second man's head, then a problem would have existed.

 

My point is the intent is to throw it to the 1st guy and if you miss, which he did, you have back up. He jsut didn't miss too badly. He ain't Sammy. :)

 

The intent is to throw to one of the two, and he succeeded in doing so.

This thing is not drawn up like some sort of option play, where the OF has a choice of which infielder to throw to. And "just throw it somewhere over thisaway and one of the guys will grab it" is certainly not the plan.

 

The design is to have the first guy as the intended cutoff man, with the second, trailing guy giving the first guy (who has his back to the infield awaiting the OF's throw) verbal direction on where to go with the relay throw. Providing backup for the OF's throw is guy #2's secondary responsibility.

 

The bottom line is that if the ball ends up with guy #2, there was a problem with the throw in from the OF... either the throw itself was offline or long/short, or possibly guy #1 wasn't where he should've been.

 

Actually, the way I was taught in HS was the OF has an option, in a manner of speaking. The idea being to get the ball to the infield as quick as possible, if setting your feet and making a good throw is an option, usually the 2nd guy got the ball; if you're running away from the throw, you would stop before throwing, but you wouldn't be able to get your momentum going forward to get the ball as far as your normal throw. It depends on how far the throw is and how strong the OFs arm is. If the OF can overthrow the 2nd cut-off guy (without throwing a moon ball), the guys were standing too close to the OF. At the ML level, it wouldn't make sense for most OFs to intend to hit the first guy with the throw unless they're running away from the throw because most ML OFs, if set or moving toward the throw, can throw it to the cut of the grass from the wall on the fly or 1 easy hop (obviously, some more than others).

[Tracer Bullet]

I played both the OF and SS/2B until I was 18 and stopped playing, and we played with two cuts, and you always tried to hit the cut closest to the plate.

 

I just watched the Brewers throw Delgado out at home. The throw went to the second cut-off man, Graffanino, who threw to home for the out.

 

ditto

[SouthSideRyan]

What GR and bri said.

[Peoriaman]

By Paul Sullivan

Tribune staff reporter

 

July 31, 2007, 11:33 PM CDT

 

 

When Matt Murton missed a cutoff man Monday night and Ronny Cedeno popped up on the first pitch after Cole Hamels had walked two of the previous three hitters, it easily could be chalked up to youthful mistakes. But earlier in the year, manager Lou Piniella might have gone ballistic.

 

These days he's apparently counting to 10 before getting upset.

[Skyballer]

By Paul Sullivan

Tribune staff reporter

 

July 31, 2007, 11:33 PM CDT

 

 

When Matt Murton missed a cutoff man Monday night and Ronny Cedeno popped up on the first pitch after Cole Hamels had walked two of the previous three hitters, it easily could be chalked up to youthful mistakes. But earlier in the year, manager Lou Piniella might have gone ballistic.

 

These days he's apparently counting to 10 before getting upset.

I can't stand Sully.

[Tracer Bullet]

By Paul Sullivan

Tribune staff reporter

 

July 31, 2007, 11:33 PM CDT

 

 

When Matt Murton missed a cutoff man Monday night and Ronny Cedeno popped up on the first pitch after Cole Hamels had walked two of the previous three hitters, it easily could be chalked up to youthful mistakes. But earlier in the year, manager Lou Piniella might have gone ballistic.

 

These days he's apparently counting to 10 before getting upset.

 

Whose side is that supposed to support?

[CubinNY]

I've got an idea, how about they play him more often. 2-3 with 2 doubles, RBI, walk, and GW run scored.

[brinoch]

I like this idea.

[Skyballer]

I've got an idea, how about they play him more often. 2-3 with 2 doubles, RBI, walk, and GW run scored.

that's weird box score has 2-4 with one double. :?

[RegulusBlue]

I've got an idea, how about they play him more often. 2-3 with 2 doubles, RBI, walk, and GW run scored.

that's weird box score has 2-4 with one double. :?

 

I thought his last hit was a single and an error by the LF.

[Skyballer]

I've got an idea, how about they play him more often. 2-3 with 2 doubles, RBI, walk, and GW run scored.

that's weird box score has 2-4 with one double. :?

 

I thought his last hit was a single and an error by the LF.

:? Now i'm all confused????????

[TruffleShuffle]

I've got an idea, how about they play him more often. 2-3 with 2 doubles, RBI, walk, and GW run scored.

that's weird box score has 2-4 with one double. :?

 

I thought his last hit was a single and an error by the LF.

 

that would be a terrible scoring decision... the ball was blooped short of the LF who almost made a very good catch, but the ball popped out of his glove and rolled away. Yeah, Murton would've only been at first if he hadn't dived for the ball, but you still can't change him with an error there.

[CubColtPacer]

It was 2-4 with 1 2B. His hit in the first was a single, and the hit in the 9th was a double. I think there was some confusion if it was a single and an error, but it was definitely a double.

[soapy]

Regardless, playing him because he had a good night last night isn't really the smartest decision.

 

Let's play him because he's...you know...better than Floyd or Pagan. Just like he was before last night's game.

[ConstableRabbit]

Hopefully this can give the guy some confidence. The two hits he had were very close to being outs, but he lucked out and I'm happy for him. It seems like he has been pretty unlucky for most of his time up this season. He did have an awful AB where he looked completely clueless, but his last at-bat was great.

 

Here's hoping he can keep it up and remain the patient hitter we love.

[RegulusBlue]

I've got an idea, how about they play him more often. 2-3 with 2 doubles, RBI, walk, and GW run scored.

that's weird box score has 2-4 with one double. :?

 

I thought his last hit was a single and an error by the LF.

 

that would be a terrible scoring decision... the ball was blooped short of the LF who almost made a very good catch, but the ball popped out of his glove and rolled away. Yeah, Murton would've only been at first if he hadn't dived for the ball, but you still can't change him with an error there.

 

The way I look at it, he shouldn't have dove if it was a hit anyhow. Also, I think the error should have been Rowand's for biffing on the ball for a throw to second.

[TruffleShuffle]

I've got an idea, how about they play him more often. 2-3 with 2 doubles, RBI, walk, and GW run scored.

that's weird box score has 2-4 with one double. :?

 

I thought his last hit was a single and an error by the LF.

 

that would be a terrible scoring decision... the ball was blooped short of the LF who almost made a very good catch, but the ball popped out of his glove and rolled away. Yeah, Murton would've only been at first if he hadn't dived for the ball, but you still can't change him with an error there.

 

The way I look at it, he shouldn't have dove if it was a hit anyhow. Also, I think the error should have been Rowand's for biffing on the ball for a throw to second.

 

no it wasn't a stupid dive in the way that jock's was on iguchi (when he missed by three feet) - the ball was in the guy's glove but rolling a little bit, and when he hit the ground it came out. Almost a really nice play, and not an ill-advised dive at all.