Craig Biggio to Retire

[E.J.]

Just mentioned on ESPN 1000. Biggio is going to retire after this season. He is supposed to have a press conference in a little while.

 

MLB.com article about his plans to retire

[UMFan83]

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[Ding Dong Johnson]

he should have retired 2 years ago

[Soul]

I can't say I would have retired 2 years ago. Getting 3,000 hits is mega-important to a player's legacy, which is what it's all about for Biggio at this point.

[Derwood]

wow is that team going to be bad

[JimSorgi]

He should have retired earlier.

[Tracer Bullet]

wow is that team going to be bad

 

The implication being that losing Biggio makes them worse?

[Tracer Bullet]

I can't say I would have retired 2 years ago. Getting 3,000 hits is mega-important to a player's legacy, which is what it's all about for Biggio at this point.

 

Yeah, I can't blame him for hanging on, making millions to play baseball, and reach an arbitrary, yet apparently important, milestone. But the people of Houston have got to be happy about this.

[CubmanPi]

Now he's going to be an everyday leadoff hitter whose goal is to lean into every pitch possible. His batting stance will now straddle home plate. He WILL get the HBP record.

[YearofDaCubs]

he should have retired 2 years ago

Agreed. He's been especially bad this year.

[Cubfan_N_nebraska]

Biggio a class act the only thing I have against him was he was never a Cub! :lol:

[pitchcs]

Very solid career. I have probably never heard of anyone who works as hard as this guy day in, day out.

[illiniguy]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

[Soul]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

No steroid allegations + magic number 3,000 = HOF.

 

I don't see how being the best player on your team matters. He was one of the best 2B in the business for a long, long time.

 

Plus, come on. Mazeroski got in on .260 BA, .299 OBP(!!), .367 SLG. Nobody can tell me Craig's .282/.365/.434 doesn't blow that out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Bigs played longer, too.

[Tracer Bullet]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

No steroid allegations + magic number 3,000 = HOF.

 

I don't see how being the best player on your team matters. He was one of the best 2B in the business for a long, long time.

 

Plus, come on. Mazeroski got in on .260 BA, .299 OBP(!!), .367 SLG. Nobody can tell me Craig's .282/.365/.434 doesn't blow that out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Bigs played longer, too.

 

Without commenting on Biggio's qualifications, we're not really using Maz as the baseline, are we?

[Soul]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

No steroid allegations + magic number 3,000 = HOF.

 

I don't see how being the best player on your team matters. He was one of the best 2B in the business for a long, long time.

 

Plus, come on. Mazeroski got in on .260 BA, .299 OBP(!!), .367 SLG. Nobody can tell me Craig's .282/.365/.434 doesn't blow that out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Bigs played longer, too.

 

Without commenting on Biggio's qualifications, we're not really using Maz as the baseline, are we?

 

He's in, isn't he? It's a 2B comparison, Maz is in and Bigs will be voted on. How is that not a valid comparison? Not my fault the voters put Maz in.

[SouthSideRyan]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

No steroid allegations + magic number 3,000 = HOF.

 

I don't see how being the best player on your team matters. He was one of the best 2B in the business for a long, long time.

 

Plus, come on. Mazeroski got in on .260 BA, .299 OBP(!!), .367 SLG. Nobody can tell me Craig's .282/.365/.434 doesn't blow that out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Bigs played longer, too.

 

Without commenting on Biggio's qualifications, we're not really using Maz as the baseline, are we?

 

He's in, isn't he? It's a 2B comparison, Maz is in and Bigs will be voted on. How is that not a valid comparison? Not my fault the voters put Maz in.

 

The vets put Maz in, not the BBWAA. Biggio should be in easily, and Maz shouldn't have to come into the conversation to prove it.

[Soul]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

No steroid allegations + magic number 3,000 = HOF.

 

I don't see how being the best player on your team matters. He was one of the best 2B in the business for a long, long time.

 

Plus, come on. Mazeroski got in on .260 BA, .299 OBP(!!), .367 SLG. Nobody can tell me Craig's .282/.365/.434 doesn't blow that out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Bigs played longer, too.

 

Without commenting on Biggio's qualifications, we're not really using Maz as the baseline, are we?

 

He's in, isn't he? It's a 2B comparison, Maz is in and Bigs will be voted on. How is that not a valid comparison? Not my fault the voters put Maz in.

 

The vets put Maz in, not the BBWAA. Biggio should be in easily, and Maz shouldn't have to come into the conversation to prove it.

 

Whatever. In is in, who cares which voting body put him there. I never said who would vote him in, or when, and it doesn't matter in any event.

[CoolHandLuke]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

No steroid allegations + magic number 3,000 = HOF.

 

I don't see how being the best player on your team matters. He was one of the best 2B in the business for a long, long time.

 

Plus, come on. Mazeroski got in on .260 BA, .299 OBP(!!), .367 SLG. Nobody can tell me Craig's .282/.365/.434 doesn't blow that out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Bigs played longer, too.

 

Without commenting on Biggio's qualifications, we're not really using Maz as the baseline, are we?

 

He's in, isn't he? It's a 2B comparison, Maz is in and Bigs will be voted on. How is that not a valid comparison? Not my fault the voters put Maz in.

 

The vets put Maz in, not the BBWAA. Biggio should be in easily, and Maz shouldn't have to come into the conversation to prove it.

 

Whatever. In is in, who cares which voting body put him there. I never said who would vote him in, or when, and it doesn't matter in any event.

 

Just because he got in somehow, doesn't mean they should make future mistakes by using him as the baseline.

 

I'm pretty sure Biggio is in pretty good company statistically among second basemen. Bill James ranked him as the fifth best 2b of all time in his Historical Baseball Abstract as of his 2000 season.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I always liked Biggio (except when the Cubs were playing him). He seems like a nice guy, always played hard, did it without roids, and was willing to do whatever the team needed of him (as evidenced by his moves from catcher, 2b, and cf). I think 3,000 hits was the clincher for him eventually getting into the Hall, that's reason enough to play these last two years.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I also liked that he dragged Bagwell onto the field to share in his 3,000th hit. Bags was one of my favorite (non-Cub) players growing up.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

Most of his career, Lou Gehrig wasn't the best player on his own team... let's kick him out of the hall.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

Most of his career, Lou Gehrig wasn't the best player on his own team... let's kick him out of the hall.

I was going to use Scottie Pippen, but Lou Gehrig is a much better example. :)

[seanimal]

Numbers schmumbers. It's the Hall of FAME guys, and Biggio is obviously famous enough to qualify.

[Soul]

The guy was never even the best player on his own team. I don't see how he is a sure fire hall of famer.

 

No steroid allegations + magic number 3,000 = HOF.

 

I don't see how being the best player on your team matters. He was one of the best 2B in the business for a long, long time.

 

Plus, come on. Mazeroski got in on .260 BA, .299 OBP(!!), .367 SLG. Nobody can tell me Craig's .282/.365/.434 doesn't blow that out of the water 6 ways to Sunday. Bigs played longer, too.

 

Without commenting on Biggio's qualifications, we're not really using Maz as the baseline, are we?

 

He's in, isn't he? It's a 2B comparison, Maz is in and Bigs will be voted on. How is that not a valid comparison? Not my fault the voters put Maz in.

 

The vets put Maz in, not the BBWAA. Biggio should be in easily, and Maz shouldn't have to come into the conversation to prove it.

 

Whatever. In is in, who cares which voting body put him there. I never said who would vote him in, or when, and it doesn't matter in any event.

 

Just because he got in somehow, doesn't mean they should make future mistakes by using him as the baseline.

 

I'm pretty sure Biggio is in pretty good company statistically among second basemen. Bill James ranked him as the fifth best 2b of all time in his Historical Baseball Abstract as of his 2000 season.

 

Alright, fine. Maz has come up in every discussion of a 2B hall of fame candidate since, he came during the Sandberg nomination, and I'll be willing to bet he'll come up during the Biggio nomination and beyond. The hall voters made their bed when they put the guy in, he'll be the calling card now forever. I don't see what was so wrong about me merely bringing him up.