7/14 CUBS (Lilly) vs. Astros (Oswalt), 2:55 PM CT, FOX

[DurbanJer]

Didn't we? The only two bench players to play today were Izturis and Bowen. The C position doesn't even really have a clear starter right now either, so it's basically just Izturis that is in the lineup today. It's not like the game last week where Lou gave (or tried in the case of Soriano) several of his starters a day off.

 

Depends on Jones... if he hits like he did last year, he's a passable CF. If he hits like he has this year, there's another black hole in the lineup. I wouldn't feel too comfortable about counting on Floyd the rest of this year either, given his propensity to break down. If he's out, then DeRosa is playing a lot of RF and you're stuck with Fontenot/Theriot at 2B.

 

Exactly.

 

There's also a lot of reverse good fortune bitching in those lineup 'arguments'

[Banedon]

cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

After one game? Sorry I missed that argument.

[CDBears1259]

I'll ask again, what happend to Floyd?

 

strained shoulder while giving up a triple in the first

 

Thanks

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

That was a nice catch by Jacque.

 

Nice job of um..........making it look good. 8-)

 

good acting...lol

[Fred Hornkohl]

Burke popped out to second base

[Soul]

Well, I think Jonesy has found his post-baseball career: salesman. 8-)

[Warren Brusstar]

cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

That's not exactly right. The argument was that Soto probably isn't much better than Bowen.

 

Again, career minor league OPS:

 

Soto .715

Bowen .715

 

Over a big sample, they're almost identical players.

[Keener98]

cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

better than bowen has lately? Sure. But you're judging on a very small sample size.

 

Am I?.213 .311 .346 .657 Those are somebodys career numbers, and that somebody has a major league job.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Lilly has been amazing today.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I'm glad that it looks like we're going to win this one. I fear the Cubs against Magic Wandy tomorrow.

[98navigator]

Outstanding performance by Lilly.

[CyHawk_Cub]

I find it funny when the anal posters rip on those of us who actually have a sense of humor & make pseudo-negative posts. Come on guys, get a sense of humor transplant or something; you all really can't be that lame, can you?

[Sosa21MVP]

Getting 8 solid innings out of the starting pitcher does not suck.

[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE EIGHTH INNING

 

Biggio, pinch hitting for Borkowski, flied out to center field

Burke popped out to second base

Pence struck out swinging

 

0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
Houston         1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0                1  4  1
CUBS            0 0 0 3 2 4 0                  9 12  0

 

Home runs:

Houston: none

CUBS: Soriano (16)

 

Houston        IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Oswalt        5.3 10  9  8  2  6  0 106
Borkowski     1.7  2  0  0  0  2  0  32

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Lilly         8.0  4  1  1  1  7  0 106

[TruffleShuffle]

cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

They have the same minor league OPS, and Bowen's PECOTA projections are a little better. Now, I think that Soto is being a little underrated in his PECOTA assessment, but everyone is basing their argument that Soto will be better on (a) his 1.000 OPS in AAA this year, which is miles away from what he's done otherwise in his minor league career, and (b) Bowen is mired in a brutal slump right now.

[Outshined_One]

cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

That's not exactly right. The argument was that Soto probably isn't much better than Bowen.

 

Again, career minor league OPS:

 

Soto .715

Bowen .715

 

Over a big sample, they're almost identical players.

 

Cripes, did you see my argument from earlier in the thread? Bowen's two years older than Soto and Bowen spent every year from 1999 to 2006 spending at least part of his time in the minor leagues. He's spent significantly more time in the major leagues compared to Soto.

 

They are NOT almost identical players.

[Bruno7481]

Lilly has been amazing today.

 

He's actually been very good his last 3-4 starts.

[killthegoat06]

Eyre time.

[killthegoat06]

Lilly has been amazing today.

 

He's actually been very good his last 3-4 starts.

 

And I'm loving it.

[Soul]

cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

That's not exactly right. The argument was that Soto probably isn't much better than Bowen.

 

Again, career minor league OPS:

 

Soto .715

Bowen .715

 

Over a big sample, they're almost identical players.

 

I'm not comfortable making many projections about Soto at all. He has little major league experience to go by.

 

As for minor league numbers, people tend to put too much weight on them around here. What a guy does in the minors is only a partial indicator of whether or not he will experience success in the bigs.

[Banedon]

I find it funny when the anal posters rip on those of us who actually have a sense of humor & make pseudo-negative posts. Come on guys, get a sense of humor transplant or something; you all really can't be that lame, can you?

 

We try to be as witty and clever as you, but the bar is set pretty high.

[DurbanJer]

Lilly has been amazing today.

 

He's actually been very good his last 3-4 starts.

 

And a lot better than a lot of us thought he'd be when signed. I like my crow with Tabasco sauce.

[98navigator]

DWard doubles. what were they doing in the outfield?

[Fred Hornkohl]

Wheeler in to pitch for Houston

[CyHawk_Cub]

I find it funny when the anal posters rip on those of us who actually have a sense of humor & make pseudo-negative posts. Come on guys, get a sense of humor transplant or something; you all really can't be that lame, can you?

 

We try to be as witty and clever as you, but the bar is set pretty high.

 

Yeah, I deserve that slam...it was presumptuous of me. I'm just saying...