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98navigator Myrtle Beach Pelicans

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What has Wuertz done to deserve mop up duty?

 

He's been inconsistent lately and he hasn't seen much time so he needs the work. Eyre is just bad.

 

We have some breathing room.

 

I agree but I think keeping guys sharp, who will be used more often, should be the priority. As someone else already pointed out, he hasn't pitched in about a week. He needs the work.

 

Leadoff double.

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cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

That's not exactly right. The argument was that Soto probably isn't much better than Bowen.

 

Again, career minor league OPS:

 

Soto .715

Bowen .715

 

Over a big sample, they're almost identical players.

 

Cripes, did you see my argument from earlier in the thread? Bowen's two years older than Soto and Bowen spent every year from 1999 to 2006 spending at least part of his time in the minor leagues. He's spent significantly more time in the major leagues compared to Soto.

 

They are NOT almost identical players.

 

Bowen has 240 career at bats. That's hardly a substantial MLB track record.

 

Also, I've learned from this board that young players should not be expected to hit well when they play only part time. (See Matt Murton) So I'm not sure why you've decided that Bowen can't hack it in the majors based on his 240 at bats over 4-5 years.

 

Bowen hasnt shown any ability to hit ever at any level. Hes never had a "breakout" season even while in the minors. Soto has had a breakout season this year, and while I dont think he will carry that performance into the Majors, there is reason to believe he may have gotten over that hump, and could give a .270 average with a .330 or so OBP. Hell Id love that out of the catchers spot right now.

 

Soto has actually had a breakout "half" season. I have no complaints about not starting him today against one of the top pitchers in the game.

 

I bet he's back in there tomorrow.

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cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

That's not exactly right. The argument was that Soto probably isn't much better than Bowen.

 

Again, career minor league OPS:

 

Soto .715

Bowen .715

 

Over a big sample, they're almost identical players.

 

Cripes, did you see my argument from earlier in the thread? Bowen's two years older than Soto and Bowen spent every year from 1999 to 2006 spending at least part of his time in the minor leagues. He's spent significantly more time in the major leagues compared to Soto.

 

They are NOT almost identical players.

 

Bowen has 240 career at bats. That's hardly a substantial MLB track record.

 

Also, I've learned from this board that young players should not be expected to hit well when they play only part time. (See Matt Murton) So I'm not sure why you've decided that Bowen can't hack it in the majors based on his 240 at bats over 4-5 years.

 

Bowen hasnt shown any ability to hit ever at any level. Hes never had a "breakout" season even while in the minors. Soto has had a breakout season this year, and while I dont think he will carry that performance into the Majors, there is reason to believe he may have gotten over that hump, and could give a .270 average with a .330 or so OBP. Hell Id love that out of the catchers spot right now.

 

Bowen had a .828 OPS as a 22 year old at AAA.

 

So, no, he has shown the ability to hit at that level.

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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cubs should petition for bowen to be allowed to hit off a tee

 

Truf, please tell me you think Soto can do better than Bowen?

 

How can he not?

 

Earlier in the thread the argument was being made that Soto was no better than Bowen.

 

That's not exactly right. The argument was that Soto probably isn't much better than Bowen.

 

Again, career minor league OPS:

 

Soto .715

Bowen .715

 

Over a big sample, they're almost identical players.

 

Cripes, did you see my argument from earlier in the thread? Bowen's two years older than Soto and Bowen spent every year from 1999 to 2006 spending at least part of his time in the minor leagues. He's spent significantly more time in the major leagues compared to Soto.

 

They are NOT almost identical players.

 

Bowen has 240 career at bats. That's hardly a substantial MLB track record.

 

Also, I've learned from this board that young players should not be expected to hit well when they play only part time. (See Matt Murton) So I'm not sure why you've decided that Bowen can't hack it in the majors based on his 240 at bats over 4-5 years.

 

And, in any event, I'd prefer they play Soto five times a week for the rest of the season. I just think the expectations are a bit too high right now for a guy who's had 250 at bats that look completely and totally like an aberration from his career performance.

 

Might it be a sustainable jump? Of course.

 

See my post for what I would like/expect out of Soto. I dont think anybody here is expecting an All Star, but with the crap alternatives we have, Soto like you said should be given starts 5 days a week.

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See my post for what I would like/expect out of Soto. I dont think anybody here is expecting an All Star, but with the crap alternatives we have, Soto like you said should be given starts 5 days a week.

 

He probably will be... I can't imagine that he's here to be a backup to a guy who can't hit a beach ball right now. But sitting him against a (normally) tough RHP is not a bad idea. He'll play tomorrow against Wandy, and he'll probably play about four games next week.

98navigator Myrtle Beach Pelicans

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Five games in front of the Cardinals. I shouldn't worry about them given their pathetic run differential. But it's the Cardinals.

 

I'm not worried about them at all.

 

We got a break on that ball in the ivy. Wuertz is bad right now.

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