Interesting Note about Cubs in Pittsburgh Paper

[MSG T]

Why do we need Tejada and his salary? Fontenot and Theriot are good enough. We don't need a declining SS.

 

The Cubs have a black hole at SS this year. Last in the NL with an OPS of 555. And before you say Theriot has turned that around, his OPS at SS is 474. Fontenot doesn't play SS. Neither is "good enough" to make this team better. They are 13th in RF and 12th at catcher. The other positions are middle of the road or near the top. The best way to improve this team is to improve the production they get at SS, RF and C. Since it's going to be impossible to improve at C, the choice is finding a real RF or a real SS. They currently do not have either. There is a chance that when all is said and done that a platoon of Floyd and a revitalized Murton will put them at least to middle of the road at RF. As for SS, they basically have zero chance of getting respectable production out of the group they currently have in the fold.

Excellently put. Agree on all counts. That's why I'm for getting Tejada (or any other large upgrade) depending on what the player cost is, of course.

 

And for those that are concerned that Tejada is declining, while you may be right, so what?

 

How much and how quickly is he declining and from what height? When you ask yourself those all important questions, he is still a way better option than anything the Cubs have currently or could realistically hope to acquire which begs the question how realistic is it that the Cubs could acquire Tejada. I think its clear that the Cubs should go after him. What is unclear is can they get him...

 

 

His average and OBP are pretty consistent with the past few years( both higher than career numbers), but his power numbers have fallen, which is odd since he's not at an age where you'd expect to see drastically lower HR totals. He would be a HUGE improvement over the Cubs SS though.

[CubsWin]

Why bother with a platoon? Theriot has at least shown by his short MLB time and his minor league numbers that he can get on base at a reasonable clip. His success may or may not continue, but we know with a fair degree of certainty that Izturis sucks.

 

Trading for Tejada would be a great idea but... I don't think the Cubs will trade for Tejada for the same reason they won't sign Zambrano. They won't spend any more of someone else's money with the pending ownership change. I'm fairly certain any deal we see will involve trading minor pieces for other minor pieces, unless they have an all out fire sale.

 

Theriot has shown that the more he plays the worse he gets. He's been awful for the past week. His May wasn't any better than Izturis's May.

 

Neither player is an everyday shortstop. Each is capable of having semi decent stretches. I think the only hope is to see if Lou can have the magic touch in terms of who he uses.

That's a bunch of malarky. Has he been slumping? Yes. Does that mean that he will continue to get worse the more he plays? No. If you were just being colorful in your language then, fine, but otherwise, that's an incredibly unfair and inaccurate statement. The slump he has been in lately has been a bad one, but it doesn't completely discount the rather excellent 200 ABs that came before it.

 

That said, do I want him to be the Cubs starting 2B of the future? No. I think EPatt can be that, if he can handle it defensively, and if not EPatt then DeRosa can do a better job holding it down with Theriot being the supersub until someone better can be produced.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why bother with a platoon? Theriot has at least shown by his short MLB time and his minor league numbers that he can get on base at a reasonable clip. His success may or may not continue, but we know with a fair degree of certainty that Izturis sucks.

 

Trading for Tejada would be a great idea but... I don't think the Cubs will trade for Tejada for the same reason they won't sign Zambrano. They won't spend any more of someone else's money with the pending ownership change. I'm fairly certain any deal we see will involve trading minor pieces for other minor pieces, unless they have an all out fire sale.

 

Theriot has shown that the more he plays the worse he gets. He's been awful for the past week. His May wasn't any better than Izturis's May.

 

Neither player is an everyday shortstop. Each is capable of having semi decent stretches. I think the only hope is to see if Lou can have the magic touch in terms of who he uses.

That's a bunch of malarky. Has he been slumping? Yes. Does that mean that he will continue to get worse the more he plays? No. If you were just being colorful in your language then, fine, but otherwise, that's an incredibly unfair and inaccurate statement. The slump he has been in lately has been a bad one, but it doesn't completely discount the rather excellent 200 ABs that came before it.

 

That said, do I want him to be the Cubs starting 2B of the future? No. I think EPatt can be that, if he can handle it defensively, and if not EPatt then DeRosa can do a better job holding it down with Theriot being the supersub until someone better can be produced.

 

Theriot had a nice start to 2007. But look at his May, it's no better than Izturis's and I believe the OBP is even worse. He's been bad for a week. He is not an everyday guy. He's a utility player. Utility players that play everyday see their numbers decline.

[MSG T]

Quick off-topic question, how do I get the quoted areas to come up correctly and make my post easier to read?

[jersey cubs fan]

Quick off-topic question, how do I get the quoted areas to come up correctly and make my post easier to read?

 

The easiest way is to hit the quote button that is on the upper right corner of the post you are quoting.

[CubinNY]

Quick off-topic question, how do I get the quoted areas to come up correctly and make my post easier to read?

 

Welcom to the forum.

 

Hit the quote button.

[Coach C]

Hmm... I still wonder if the A-Rod situation could factor into this as well, depending if he wants to wave his no-trade clause.

 

I'm betting the Yankees are hurtin for some pitchers, but, *shrug* what do I know?

[anabiono]

a-rod is not coming here...he is too big to play short now

 

it is too bad though

[Keener98]

Hmm... I still wonder if the A-Rod situation could factor into this as well, depending if he wants to wave his no-trade clause.

 

I'm betting the Yankees are hurtin for some pitchers, but, *shrug* what do I know?

 

With the Yanks winnin 9 in a row now I doubt they are sellers.

[killthegoat06]

Hmm... I still wonder if the A-Rod situation could factor into this as well, depending if he wants to wave his no-trade clause.

 

I'm betting the Yankees are hurtin for some pitchers, but, *shrug* what do I know?

 

With the Yanks winnin 9 in a row now I doubt they are sellers.

 

Yeah what the heck? I was enjoying their suffering. Now they're above .500

[Coach C]

Hmm... I still wonder if the A-Rod situation could factor into this as well, depending if he wants to wave his no-trade clause.

 

I'm betting the Yankees are hurtin for some pitchers, but, *shrug* what do I know?

 

With the Yanks winnin 9 in a row now I doubt they are sellers.

 

Unfortunately. Still, a long ways to go before the trading deadline.

[NCCubFan]

Quick off-topic question, how do I get the quoted areas to come up correctly and make my post easier to read?

The reason it didn't come out correctly is that you had the "disable bbcode in this post" box checked. I un-checked the box, and if you look at your earlier post again you'll see it's fine now. You were using the correct code, but having that box checked overrode it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Why do we need Tejada and his salary? Fontenot and Theriot are good enough. We don't need a declining SS.

 

you're lucky I don't like the rolleyes thingy

[mhuber92211]

How about Tejada, Marmol & Jones to Anaheim, Cabrera to Cubs and Aybar, Mosely & Murton to Baltimore.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

How about Tejada, Marmol & Jones to Anaheim, Cabrera to Cubs and Aybar, Mosely & Murton to Baltimore.

 

let me get this straight -- you want to deal Marmol, Jones, and Murton for Cabrera? Orlando Cabrera?

[Guest]

wait, you are suggesting we get Cabrera? Dear Lord, why would we want Cabrera?

[cubs121]

How about Tejada, Marmol & Jones to Anaheim, Cabrera to Cubs and Aybar, Mosely & Murton to Baltimore.

 

let me get this straight -- you want to deal Marmol, Jones, and Murton for Cabrera? Orlando Cabrera?

all i have to say about your idea is .. -NO-

[BigbadB]

Miguel Cabrera, yes. Orlando Cabrera, no.

[HoopsCubs]

Miguel Cabrera, yes. Orlando Cabrera, no.

 

How about Daniel Cabrera?

[Soriano12]

How about Ryan Cabrera?

 

http://www.mood-lites.com/tca/RyanCabrera_5675046_web.jpg

[MSG T]

Quick off-topic question, how do I get the quoted areas to come up correctly and make my post easier to read?

The reason it didn't come out correctly is that you had the "disable bbcode in this post" box checked. I un-checked the box, and if you look at your earlier post again you'll see it's fine now. You were using the correct code, but having that box checked overrode it.

 

Ahh, thanks NC.

[CubsWin]

Why bother with a platoon? Theriot has at least shown by his short MLB time and his minor league numbers that he can get on base at a reasonable clip. His success may or may not continue, but we know with a fair degree of certainty that Izturis sucks.

 

Trading for Tejada would be a great idea but... I don't think the Cubs will trade for Tejada for the same reason they won't sign Zambrano. They won't spend any more of someone else's money with the pending ownership change. I'm fairly certain any deal we see will involve trading minor pieces for other minor pieces, unless they have an all out fire sale.

 

Theriot has shown that the more he plays the worse he gets. He's been awful for the past week. His May wasn't any better than Izturis's May.

 

Neither player is an everyday shortstop. Each is capable of having semi decent stretches. I think the only hope is to see if Lou can have the magic touch in terms of who he uses.

That's a bunch of malarky. Has he been slumping? Yes. Does that mean that he will continue to get worse the more he plays? No. If you were just being colorful in your language then, fine, but otherwise, that's an incredibly unfair and inaccurate statement. The slump he has been in lately has been a bad one, but it doesn't completely discount the rather excellent 200 ABs that came before it.

 

That said, do I want him to be the Cubs starting 2B of the future? No. I think EPatt can be that, if he can handle it defensively, and if not EPatt then DeRosa can do a better job holding it down with Theriot being the supersub until someone better can be produced.

 

Theriot had a nice start to 2007. But look at his May, it's no better than Izturis's and I believe the OBP is even worse. He's been bad for a week. He is not an everyday guy. He's a utility player. Utility players that play everyday see their numbers decline.

I acknowledged that he is slumping and that I would like him to fill the super sub role as there are others in the Cubs organization that are better than Theriot and should be starting. But none of what you wrote in your response justifies your statement that "the more Theriot plays the worse he gets". He's in a slump. Slumps end.

 

Whatever. It's a small point.

Edited June 15, 2007 by CubsWin

[CubsWin]

How about Tejada, Marmol & Jones to Anaheim, Cabrera to Cubs and Aybar, Mosely & Murton to Baltimore.

I find your "Good Luck Chicago" signature terrifically appropriate as a response to your trade idea.

[TruffleShuffle]

Theriot had a nice start to 2007. But look at his May, it's no better than Izturis's and I believe the OBP is even worse. He's been bad for a week. He is not an everyday guy. He's a utility player. Utility players that play everyday see their numbers decline.

 

I wouldn't really agree with the last sentence - I think they're more prone to having fluky good/bad numbers based on sample size, but when they play every day, their numbers return to the mean and are more representative of the type of player they are. I think you lose a tiny bit going from Theriot to Fontenot defensively at SS, but I think Fontenot's bat (.364 OBP and .791 OPS coming into this year as a minor leaguer) add more than Theriot (.355 and .692). Fontenot's PECOTA numbers are adequate for a major league SS; Theriot's are not as good. I'd strongly consider making Fontenot the regular SS once ARam is back, and maybe platooning Theriot in against some tougher LHP.

[mspcanes1]

Theriot had a nice start to 2007. But look at his May, it's no better than Izturis's and I believe the OBP is even worse. He's been bad for a week. He is not an everyday guy. He's a utility player. Utility players that play everyday see their numbers decline.

 

I wouldn't really agree with the last sentence - I think they're more prone to having fluky good/bad numbers based on sample size, but when they play every day, their numbers return to the mean and are more representative of the type of player they are. I think you lose a tiny bit going from Theriot to Fontenot defensively at SS, but I think Fontenot's bat (.364 OBP and .791 OPS coming into this year as a minor leaguer) add more than Theriot (.355 and .692). Fontenot's PECOTA numbers are adequate for a major league SS; Theriot's are not as good. I'd strongly consider making Fontenot the regular SS once ARam is back, and maybe platooning Theriot in against some tougher LHP.

 

fontenot can't play ss...he couldn't in college, so there's no way he could do it everyday in the bigs. derossa is a better option at ss defensively than mike is. you don't lose a tiny bit by swapping out fontenot for theriot, you lose a ton. mike is a true 2b, not a utility guy.