Dunn on the market

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Read today that Angels have talked to the Reds but Cinci wants too much. They want a starting pitcher, starting 2nd baseman, and a top prospect, and the Angels supposedly won't budge.

 

Let's give them Veal, Izturis, and Wade Miller. Sounds good to me. :lol:

[jersey cubs fan]

Read today that Angels have talked to the Reds but Cinci wants too much. They want a starting pitcher, starting 2nd baseman, and a top prospect, and the Angels supposedly won't budge.

 

Let's give them Veal, Izturis, and Wade Miller. Sounds good to me. :lol:

 

Sub Pawelek for Veal.

[tkenm356]

Read today that Angels have talked to the Reds but Cinci wants too much. They want a starting pitcher, starting 2nd baseman, and a top prospect, and the Angels supposedly won't budge.

 

For a half-season rental of Adam Dunn, that's absurd, especially when the Angels don't neccesarily need Adam Dunn for anything other than giving Guerrero some stress relief on the power.

[jersey cubs fan]

Read today that Angels have talked to the Reds but Cinci wants too much. They want a starting pitcher, starting 2nd baseman, and a top prospect, and the Angels supposedly won't budge.

 

For a half-season rental of Adam Dunn, that's absurd, especially when the Angels don't neccesarily need Adam Dunn for anything other than giving Guerrero some stress relief on the power.

 

I would guess any big money AL team looking for offense that would trade for Dunn would be more than happy to sign him.

[tkenm356]

Read today that Angels have talked to the Reds but Cinci wants too much. They want a starting pitcher, starting 2nd baseman, and a top prospect, and the Angels supposedly won't budge.

 

For a half-season rental of Adam Dunn, that's absurd, especially when the Angels don't neccesarily need Adam Dunn for anything other than giving Guerrero some stress relief on the power.

 

I would guess any big money AL team looking for offense that would trade for Dunn would be more than happy to sign him.

 

true dat

[jjgman21]

Pat Burrell is Adam Dunn minus 10-20 home runs and 7-10 stolen bases and he costs more than Dunn does.

 

We need someone like Hawpe. Hawpe can hit 20-25HR, hit over .280, and have an OBP over .380 and isn't a blunder in RF. Hawpe would probably cost more than Dunn though, oddly enough. And if not, then go for Hawpe, if he's available. He's cheap, he's young, and he's better than both Dunn and Burrell overall (and he's left handed. Yay)

 

Why would he be available?

 

Burrell could give you 20-30 hit over .280 and OBP over .380 as well.

 

Pat Burrell has hit .280 twice in his career, and is a career .253 hitter. He also has a career .363OBP and a career .838OPS, including a whopping .787OPS this year. While I don't doubt he can give 20-30HR, he's only had two years where he's hit over 30HR, which coincidentally happened to the be the two years he hit a smidge over .280, and the only years he had 100+RBI, and two of three years he had an OPS over .890. Outside of those years he's failed to achieve an OPS higher than .822.

 

At least Dunn consistently does what he does, and you know what to expect, Burrell is a rollercoaster.

 

OPS+

 

04 110

05 125

06 124

07 109

 

04 152

05 135

06 110

07 121

 

Burrell actually seems more consistent, just not as productive.

 

I'd like the Cubs to pick up Dunn, but I think people are nuts to not realize that his shortcomings and even some of his positives are problematic. in my view, his low ave., high strikeouts, and high walks make him a great complimentary player, probably the best in baseball. but he's not a middle of the order run producer.

 

we all like to point out how DLee missed the triple crown a couple years ago thanks to the guys hitting in front of him because "RBI is a team stat." this cuts both ways. if a player consistently has players on base in front of him, his RBI total should be sky high. Dunn has spent most of his career as a 4th and 5th hitter, thus he typically bats right after the highest OBP guys on the Reds. yet we don't see those sky high RBI totals.

 

his high OBP helps him score a few more runs than your typical 4/5 hitter, but you need those guys driving in runs, not passing the burden on to worse hitters. it's also a matter of consistency. a high average guy is going to consistently drive in the runs, while a three true outcome guy like Dunn is going to drive in most of his runs in alot fewer ABs. thus, a player like Dunn will contribute to scoring runs in fewer games than a player like, let's say Aram.

 

 

one final note. while Dunn is on pace this year to absolutely shatter his own strikeout record, he's also on pace for a career low in walks by about 30%. not good trends.

[Mephistopheles]

Ive never gotten into an Adam Dunn argument on NSBB and I'm a big Adam Dunn fan. I'm sure I could make a tricked-out saber pro-Dunn movement argument if I wanted to.

 

Should I? WOULD IT GET ME VOTES IN THE USER COMPETITION IN ROUND II???>

[UK1679666180]

Ive never gotten into an Adam Dunn argument on NSBB and I'm a big Adam Dunn fan. I'm sure I could make a tricked-out saber pro-Dunn movement argument if I wanted to.

 

Should I? WOULD IT GET ME VOTES IN THE USER COMPETITION IN ROUND II???>

 

Given his raw power and ability to draw BBs it shouldn't be too hard to some.

 

Of course, trying to convince everyone that he has the skills set the Cubs would likely pursue is another story.

[jjgman21]

Ive never gotten into an Adam Dunn argument on NSBB and I'm a big Adam Dunn fan. I'm sure I could make a tricked-out saber pro-Dunn movement argument if I wanted to.

 

Should I? WOULD IT GET ME VOTES IN THE USER COMPETITION IN ROUND II???>

 

just being a ranting, condescending jerk to me would probably get you plenty of votes.

[Mephistopheles]

Of course, trying to convince everyone that he has the skills set the Cubs would likely pursue is another story.

 

i dunno. if jj died and floyd broke his leg and murton got vertigo it could happen

 

Ive never gotten into an Adam Dunn argument on NSBB and I'm a big Adam Dunn fan. I'm sure I could make a tricked-out saber pro-Dunn movement argument if I wanted to.

 

Should I? WOULD IT GET ME VOTES IN THE USER COMPETITION IN ROUND II???>

 

just being a ranting, condescending jerk to me would probably get you plenty of votes.

 

 

heh.

[J.R.]

Ive never gotten into an Adam Dunn argument on NSBB and I'm a big Adam Dunn fan. I'm sure I could make a tricked-out saber pro-Dunn movement argument if I wanted to.

 

Should I? WOULD IT GET ME VOTES IN THE USER COMPETITION IN ROUND II???>

 

ABSOLUTELY