According to Buster Olney, Lou has lost the team already

[YearofDaCubs]

He was on ESPN 1000 this morning on Mike and Mike and said he thinks that Lou has already lost his team because he called them out publicly and what not. What do you guys think? I personally do not think he has, I just think our roster has guys on there that are prone to making mental mistakes.

[NewUserName]

Here Barrett, Here Z. Dangit Jones where are you at.

[Bruno7481]

If calling out the obvious in regards to your team causes you to "lose them" then so be it.

 

I'm not buying it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Buster Olney couldn't find Wrigley Field on a map, considering he cuts them all off when they go west of Pennsylvania. He has no idea what's going on.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think there's something to it, especially the way he's worked with relievers. I understand getting pissed at walks, but I don't think pulling a guy after the first walk is the way to go. And that's how Lou seemed to handle bullpen issues early in the year. If you didn't get the first guy you faced out, you were pulled. I think he's been far too willing to make changes based on the last game. And I also believe that his response to the Dempster meltdown was just a joke. It would be easy to see how players would start to roll their eyes at him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Olney could be on to something. This is a very veteran team, and I'm not sure Lou's methods play well with vets unless you're winning. I'm sure these guys are pretty frustrated and some of that may be with Lou.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wonder if Lou ever really had the team

[Guest]

I think it's extremely obvious that Lou has total control over his team... :roll:

[Bruno7481]

Olney could be on to something. This is a very veteran team, and I'm not sure Lou's methods play well with vets unless you're winning. I'm sure these guys are pretty frustrated and some of that may be with Lou.

 

If they are frustrated they need to play better and not just blame it all on old mean Lou. Last thing they need is more excuses, but that has been the standard around this team since 03.

[USSoccer]

Olney could be on to something. This is a very veteran team, and I'm not sure Lou's methods play well with vets unless you're winning. I'm sure these guys are pretty frustrated and some of that may be with Lou.

 

If they are frustrated they need to play better and not just blame it all on old mean Lou. Last thing they need is more excuses, but that has been the standard around this team since 03.

 

Lou has his share of the blame for the team's start. He's not done a very good job of managing the team.

[ter]

In the real world, Buster doesn't have a clue on what is the problem regarding the Cubs. He has no idea if Piniella has "lost control" or not.

 

Makes for good gossip and helps fill up ESPN's TV time slots.

 

ESPN producers have a tough job trying to keep finding something "interesting" for sport fans to listen to or watch.

[VicCub]

Kaplan on WGN radio said more or less the same thing as Olney. Basically, that the players feel that Lou doesn't have their backs. Boo hoo.

[Outshined_One]

Cripes, it's like the stain of Dusty Baker hasn't been scrubbed from this team yet. I've never seen so many teams moan and complain about being held accountable for their actions in my life.

 

Good to know nothing's changed!

[YearofDaCubs]

Kaplan on WGN radio said more or less the same thing as Olney. Basically, that the players feel that Lou doesn't have their backs. Boo hoo.

Baker never called out these guys and that didn't make a lick of difference. Now we have Lou calling out these guys and that doesn't seem to make a difference either. I think the roster has a lot of knuckleheads. The sooner we get rid of the extra weight, the better off we are going to be. If Z has any value left, trade him, I don't see him turning it around any time soon either.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm sure yelling at people makes them play better. While maybe I'm giving the guys a little too much credit, but I doubt they're sucking on purpose.

 

So, I can see why they may not like getting yelled at for something they aren't doing on purpose. I know that I wouldn't like to have a boss like Lou and usually perform better for those who don't scream and yell.

[USSoccer]

Cripes, it's like the stain of Dusty Baker hasn't been scrubbed from this team yet. I've never seen so many teams moan and complain about being held accountable for their actions in my life.

 

Good to know nothing's changed!

 

There's a difference between being held accountable and being called out and thrown under the bus. You can do one without the other.

 

And regardless, this is the team Lou has to manage. He's not going to magically get a new roster. If his team isn't responding to his current methods, it's all on him to try and find a different way to get the team to succeed.

[Bruno7481]

Cripes, it's like the stain of Dusty Baker hasn't been scrubbed from this team yet. I've never seen so many teams moan and complain about being held accountable for their actions in my life.

 

Good to know nothing's changed!

 

There's a difference between being held accountable and being called out and thrown under the bus. You can do one without the other.

 

And regardless, this is the team Lou has to manage. He's not going to magically get a new roster. If his team isn't responding to his current methods, it's all on him to try and find a different way to get the team to succeed.

 

Who has he thrown under the bus?

[Backtobanks]

I don't know what people are talking about. To me he has been much too protective of not hurting people's feelings. It took him 50 games of utter incompetence before he finally blew up and talked about having players who can run the bases and catch the ball. Before that, all I heard is "we're trying", "we have to do a better job", and "we have a long way to go". Maybe he should have listed about 10 players who need to get their collective heads out of their arses about a month ago.

[USSoccer]

Cripes, it's like the stain of Dusty Baker hasn't been scrubbed from this team yet. I've never seen so many teams moan and complain about being held accountable for their actions in my life.

 

Good to know nothing's changed!

 

There's a difference between being held accountable and being called out and thrown under the bus. You can do one without the other.

 

And regardless, this is the team Lou has to manage. He's not going to magically get a new roster. If his team isn't responding to his current methods, it's all on him to try and find a different way to get the team to succeed.

 

Who has he thrown under the bus?

 

Barrett, Ohman, Cotts, Eyre, Murton, Jones...

[Bruno7481]

Cripes, it's like the stain of Dusty Baker hasn't been scrubbed from this team yet. I've never seen so many teams moan and complain about being held accountable for their actions in my life.

 

Good to know nothing's changed!

 

There's a difference between being held accountable and being called out and thrown under the bus. You can do one without the other.

 

And regardless, this is the team Lou has to manage. He's not going to magically get a new roster. If his team isn't responding to his current methods, it's all on him to try and find a different way to get the team to succeed.

 

Who has he thrown under the bus?

 

Barrett, Ohman, Cotts, Eyre, Murton, Jones...

 

I think your definition of "throwing under the bus" must be closely related to speaking the truth. Barrett, Ohman, Eyre, Cotts, and Jones have been brutal.

 

What did he do with Murton?

[Banedon]

Cripes, it's like the stain of Dusty Baker hasn't been scrubbed from this team yet. I've never seen so many teams moan and complain about being held accountable for their actions in my life.

 

Good to know nothing's changed!

 

There's a difference between being held accountable and being called out and thrown under the bus. You can do one without the other.

 

And regardless, this is the team Lou has to manage. He's not going to magically get a new roster. If his team isn't responding to his current methods, it's all on him to try and find a different way to get the team to succeed.

 

Who has he thrown under the bus?

 

Barrett, Ohman, Cotts, Eyre, Murton, Jones...

 

I think your definition of "throwing under the bus" must be closely related to speaking the truth. Barrett, Ohman, Eyre, Cotts, and Jones have been brutal.

 

What did he do with Murton?

 

Lou has put those bullpen guys in spots where they are poised to fail though. He hasn't done them any favors.

[Bruno7481]

Cripes, it's like the stain of Dusty Baker hasn't been scrubbed from this team yet. I've never seen so many teams moan and complain about being held accountable for their actions in my life.

 

Good to know nothing's changed!

 

There's a difference between being held accountable and being called out and thrown under the bus. You can do one without the other.

 

And regardless, this is the team Lou has to manage. He's not going to magically get a new roster. If his team isn't responding to his current methods, it's all on him to try and find a different way to get the team to succeed.

 

Who has he thrown under the bus?

 

Barrett, Ohman, Cotts, Eyre, Murton, Jones...

 

I think your definition of "throwing under the bus" must be closely related to speaking the truth. Barrett, Ohman, Eyre, Cotts, and Jones have been brutal.

 

What did he do with Murton?

 

Lou has put those bullpen guys in spots where they are poised to fail though. He hasn't done them any favors.

 

So it is all Lou's fault that they have sucked? Your a reliever, when you get put in a game your job is to get people out regardless of the situation. Quit putting the blame on Lou for their ineffectiveness.

[USSoccer]

 

Who has he thrown under the bus?

 

Barrett, Ohman, Cotts, Eyre, Murton, Jones...

 

I think your definition of "throwing under the bus" must be closely related to speaking the truth. Barrett, Ohman, Eyre, Cotts, and Jones have been brutal.

 

What did he do with Murton?

 

Come on. That's a really simplistic view of management. I could "speak the truth" about some of the people I work with who I'm above, but it wouldn't help anyone in any way. You don't handle any professional by calling them out in public. You hold them accountable behind closed doors. You can call out the team, but calling out individuals is just stupid and childish, and it's indicative of someone who has no idea how to handle a diverse group of individuals.

 

And again, either way you want to look at it, Lou's style isn't working. The team isn't responding. It's on the manager to find a way to motivate and put the team in the best position to succeed. If acting like an overreactionary freakout like he has been isn't working, he should try something else.

 

Murton was called out for defensive lapses.

[Banedon]

Lou has put those bullpen guys in spots where they are poised to fail though. He hasn't done them any favors.

 

So it is all Lou's fault that they have sucked? Your a reliever, when you get put in a game your job is to get people out regardless of the situation. Quit putting the blame on Lou for their ineffectiveness.

 

I never said it was all Lou's fault. But for him to put them in the wrong situations, and then not take any of the blame when they go up in flames is throwing them under the bus. Yes, they should have pitched better, but Lou should have managed better as well.

Edited June 4, 2007 by Banedon

[USSoccer]

 

Lou has put those bullpen guys in spots where they are poised to fail though. He hasn't done them any favors.

 

So it is all Lou's fault that they have sucked? Your a reliever, when you get put in a game your job is to get people out regardless of the situation. Quit putting the blame on Lou for their ineffectiveness.

 

Maybe the first couple times, but after it was apparent that Eyre and Howry couldn't be counted on in close/late situations, he ran them out there anyway, over and over. That's on him. He's the one putting the ineffective players in critical spots.