More Murton?

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Considering his age and contract situation, Floyd is essentially disposible as far the Cobs are concerned. If this means Murton gets more playing time, then it's probably good news.

 

Yeah, it's great flipping news to play a Judy-hitter guy in a big league ballgame that literally cannot catch the ball. Murton sucks. Enough already.

[YearofDaCubs]

This entire catching the ball situation is ridiculous. Not only do we have the worst offensive OF but also the worst defensive as well. Absolute butchers out there. Soriano needs to be moved in RF. Granted, Murton needs to get his head in the game but he looked more comfortable in LF. Hendry doesn't have the brains to acquire the proper personnel together and now it's costing us.

[oldcubsfan]

He hits as well as Murton

 

No, he doesn't. Not even close, really.

 

Are we really arguing over a below average player and an even more below average player?

You are very correct there.

[seanimal]

He hits as well as Murton

 

No, he doesn't. Not even close, really.

 

Are we really arguing over a below average player and an even more below average player?

You are very correct there.

 

Not really.

 

VORP/WARP in '06

 

Matt Murton: 16.2/4.5

Angel Pagan: -2.7/1.0

[oldcubsfan]

He hits as well as Murton

 

No, he doesn't. Not even close, really.

 

Are we really arguing over a below average player and an even more below average player?

You are very correct there.

 

Not really.

 

VORP/WARP in '06

 

Matt Murton: 16.2/4.5

Angel Pagan: -2.7/1.0

 

Murton sucks as an outfielder and can't drive in runs, what do miss about those facts? BTW, it is 2007 and Murton has done NOTHING.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Murton sucks as an outfielder and can't drive in runs, what do miss about those facts?

 

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

[CubinNY]

He hits as well as Murton

 

No, he doesn't. Not even close, really.

 

Are we really arguing over a below average player and an even more below average player?

You are very correct there.

 

Not really.

 

VORP/WARP in '06

 

Matt Murton: 16.2/4.5

Angel Pagan: -2.7/1.0

 

Murton sucks as an outfielder and can't drive in runs, what do miss about those facts? BTW, it is 2007 and Murton has done NOTHING.

 

Your posts never disapoint in their utter mendacity.

 

First, you tried to compare Murton to Pagan. Second, he's received sporadic playing time. It's hard to do ANYTHING when you are sitting on the bench.

[Tracer Bullet]

He hits as well as Murton

 

No, he doesn't. Not even close, really.

 

Are we really arguing over a below average player and an even more below average player?

You are very correct there.

 

Not really.

 

VORP/WARP in '06

 

Matt Murton: 16.2/4.5

Angel Pagan: -2.7/1.0

 

Murton sucks as an outfielder and can't drive in runs, what do miss about those facts? BTW, it is 2007 and Murton has done NOTHING.

 

I love reading your posts. Like there's some innate ability to drive in runs that Murton wasn't blessed with. Unfortunately, neither was Lee. B/c in '05, he hit a bunch of HRs, but his RBIs sucked in relation. Must be b/c he can't drive in runs.

 

[ignoring the fact that RBI is quite possibly the worst possible way to evaluate a hitter]

 

And, in evaluating players, we should only focus on this year (even if it's only 100 or so ABs) and totally ignore history. B/c ballplayers never play like they did in the past. If a guy has a track record of good production and sucks to start the season (like ARam last year) - he sucks! It's not possible that a good hitter will eventually end up near his career #s.

[Tracer Bullet]

Murton sucks as an outfielder and can't drive in runs, what do miss about those facts?

 

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

 

well played

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So, based on 105 AB this season, you've judged that Murton sucks.

 

2007 Murton: 276/350/371.

 

That's not great, but it's better than this:

 

244/390/350 but I bet no one is calling the player with that line horrible.

 

Last season, Murton put up a 297/365/444 line. Not great, but adequate.

 

I still believe with regular playing time, he'd get his line closer to that.

[Keener98]

I dont know whats funnier OCF's posts, or the fact that you guys keep trying to argue with him. Id think after so long you would learn to just ignore lol

[seanimal]

He hits as well as Murton

 

No, he doesn't. Not even close, really.

 

Are we really arguing over a below average player and an even more below average player?

You are very correct there.

 

Not really.

 

VORP/WARP in '06

 

Matt Murton: 16.2/4.5

Angel Pagan: -2.7/1.0

 

Murton sucks as an outfielder and can't drive in runs, what do miss about those facts? BTW, it is 2007 and Murton has done NOTHING.

 

Excellent analysis of the numbers at hand. If you were at all reasonable in your analysis and used something like, say, numbers, instead of your 'impression' based on what you've 'seen', you may notice that all of Murton's poor defense has come in RF. In case you didn't know, Matt Murton is a left fielder. And as a left fielder, he has an above-average fielding percentage over his small and limited career.

 

You also might notice that Matt Murton has also received little and sporadic playing time, which, when it comes to offense, tends to depress one's output.

 

Is it really 2007? I hadn't noticed... :roll:

 

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[Keener98]

So, based on 105 AB this season, you've judged that Murton sucks.

 

2007 Murton: 276/350/371.

 

That's not great, but it's better than this:

 

244/390/350 but I bet no one is calling the player with that line horrible.

 

Last season, Murton put up a 297/365/444 line. Not great, but adequate.

 

I still believe with regular playing time, he'd get his line closer to that.

 

Woah Vance just crossed the 30,000 mark

[seanimal]

I dont know whats funnier OCF's posts, or the fact that you guys keep trying to argue with him. Id think after so long you would learn to just ignore lol

 

Point taken. From now on, that is.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

So, based on 105 AB this season, you've judged that Murton sucks.

 

2007 Murton: 276/350/371.

 

That's not great, but it's better than this:

 

244/390/350 but I bet no one is calling the player with that line horrible.

 

Last season, Murton put up a 297/365/444 line. Not great, but adequate.

 

I still believe with regular playing time, he'd get his line closer to that.

 

Woah Vance just crossed the 30,000 mark

 

Is that supposed to be cool?

[oldcubsfan]

Murton has now officially joined the NSBB most overrated players list joining the HOF's Jason DuBois, Bobby Hill, Hee Sop Choi and Ben Grieve.

 

I would think he would be easy to trade and get top prospects from other teams that value him as much as NSBB does. I just wonder who does though.

[Keener98]

So, based on 105 AB this season, you've judged that Murton sucks.

 

2007 Murton: 276/350/371.

 

That's not great, but it's better than this:

 

244/390/350 but I bet no one is calling the player with that line horrible.

 

Last season, Murton put up a 297/365/444 line. Not great, but adequate.

 

I still believe with regular playing time, he'd get his line closer to that.

 

Woah Vance just crossed the 30,000 mark

 

Is that supposed to be cool?

 

Is this supposed to have a point? Im guessing not along with alot of your other posts as well huh.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

We knew it wouldn't be long before Floyd got hurt. This could be a good thing.

 

Not if we have to watch Murton. Trade him while you can. He's a bad outfielder, no real speed and can't hit with men on. Pagan can fill his role and can play defense.

 

oh shut up

[Amazing_Grace]

Well, that's one Floyd down, Izturis to go.

[bhogg]

Dave Kaplan just mentioned on WGN 720 radio that Murton was not supposed to be in the lineup today but Cliff Floyd strained an Oblique muscle this morning and couldn't go.

 

I don't know if this was mentioned before, if so, never mind. Kaplan mentioned this in response to a caller who was berating Murton for his play today and, well, I guess ever.

 

Ha Floyd is the most fragile person Ive ever seen

 

 

 

RonDL White begs to differ.

[Sosa21MVP]

I'm at the point that I'm not sure seeing more Murton is a good thing. I'm not impressed with him. Yes, I know that means nothing but hey it's the way I feel. :?

[Elrhino]

Sweet, the most overrated "prospect" to come out of the Cubs system since Bobby Hill is going to get more at bats. World Series, here we come.

[seanimal]

Sweet, the most overrated "prospect" to come out of the Cubs system since Bobby Hill is going to get more at bats. World Series, here we come.

 

It's not that he's overrated, it's just that compared to the rest of the players/outfielders on this team, he makes the best case for playing everyday, and should be doing so in his natural position, LF. If Lou ever figures this out and moves Soriano to RF and we bring up Pie to play center, this should be a pretty decent outfield.

 

If Floyd's fragility means that, in either case, Murton will be getting more starts and AB's, then I'm going to laugh my eyeballs out at the end of the season when he has the team's 3rd or 4th highest OPS+. Though that wouldn't be saying much with this team of jokers.

[Keener98]

Sweet, the most overrated "prospect" to come out of the Cubs system since Bobby Hill is going to get more at bats. World Series, here we come.

 

wow hyperbole is awesome huh.

[CubColtPacer]

I have no problem with seeing Murton play more. I do think it is interesting that everyone always says that Murton's numbers may be down because he hardly plays, but never mentions that Floyd's numbers may also be down for the same reason when Murton has played more than Floyd has. I think both of them have a reason for that to be the case (Murton pressing for playing time, and Floyd has never had this many at-bats taken away from him). At this point in time, Floyd has been more successful at being a part-time player than Murton has, but neither has been good (.754 OPS for Floyd, .698 for Murton). Right now, I don't really mind who plays, but if the team continues to spiral, Murton should start getting more at-bats because he is at least a possibility for the future.