5/14 Cubs(Marquis) @ Mets(Glavine), 6:10 CT WCIU/ESPN xm 184

[YearofDaCubs]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

Between the bullpen and the fielding, I feel sorry for the Cubs starting pitchers...

The offense isn't exactly lights out either. Inconsistent is a word to perfectly describe them.

[C.C.]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

 

You don't recall our bullpen with Alfonsucka or Hawkins then?

 

Well, in a couple years you'll probably be saying, "don't you remember those bozos Howry, Eyre, and Ohman?"

 

It's really that bad. This is definitely in Alfonsucka territory, don't you think? How many leads do they have to blow?

 

And I was really expecting our bullpen to be our strength this year. What a idiot I am.

[Omar]

Nicely managed game Lou.

Yeah, it wasn't Wuertz's fault

It was, but why after all year of Jason pitching well to Barrett did we deside to change things? For the sake of it? We sure could have used Barretts bat. Why did we let Marquis go two whole innings after it was obvious to even Dusty in the booth he had lost it? Why did we let Wuertz, who needed a map, pitch to all those hitters? I guess we built such a big lead we can afford to give games away.

 

How about we blame DeRosa who could have won the game with a simple single...or the entire offense for going dormant after the first two innings. What a typical Cubs game. Man, I really hate this team sometimes. The other team doesn't even beat us, we beat ourselves.

 

I like that they score early... But they get too comfortable. I dont think they're playing like it's a 0-0 game the whole time.

 

But I also find it said Marquis had half the RBIs today.

[C.C.]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

Between the bullpen and the fielding, I feel sorry for the Cubs starting pitchers...

The offense isn't exactly lights out either. Inconsistent is a word to perfectly describe them.

 

The defense isn't killing us. It's the no offense and no bullpen.

[CubColtPacer]

Nicely managed game Lou.

Yeah, it wasn't Wuertz's fault

It was, but why after all year of Jason pitching well to Barrett did we deside to change things? For the sake of it? We sure could have used Barretts bat. Why did we let Marquis go two whole innings after it was obvious to even Dusty in the booth he had lost it? Why did we let Wuertz, who needed a map, pitch to all those hitters? I guess we built such a big lead we can afford to give games away.

 

1) Blanco was about due for a start-he was going to have to start sometime in this series, and he had good numbers against Glavine, so he might as well have started today.

2) Marquis pitched well in the 2 innings after he had "lost it". His 2 runners in the 6th he gave up were a bloop single that Soriano should have had and then a clean single to left. Plus, you want to remove Marquis in the 4th and turn it over to the bullpen? That almost definitely would have been worse than what Marquis did.

3)This one is tougher. Lou has been heavily criticized for taking out Wuertz when he couldn't get anywhere near the plate in a couple of his recent appearances, and now he's criticized again for leaving him in. I would have taken him out, but I understand why he left him in-if the reliever manages to get the game into extras, the Cubs are going to need all the relievers they can have.

[Omar]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

Between the bullpen and the fielding, I feel sorry for the Cubs starting pitchers...

The offense isn't exactly lights out either. Inconsistent is a word to perfectly describe them.

 

The defense isn't killing us. It's the no offense and no bullpen.

 

Late inning offense... They score early. Love that. But then they go down like Enron.

[PrimeTime]

Ahh why isnt the radio gunna play Pinells post game?

[YearofDaCubs]

We can still win 3/4. That will happen.

 

LOL.

We might get one. We will firesale before this season is over. No wait we won't, cause Hendry knows he is toast.

 

It's going to be tough to pull off a decent firesale with all the NTCs on this club.

Exactly. Hendry has really screwed us.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

I'd waive my NTC to get off the Cubs roster

[YearofDaCubs]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

 

You don't recall our bullpen with Alfonsucka or Hawkins then?

 

Well, in a couple years you'll probably be saying, "don't you remember those bozos Howry, Eyre, and Ohman?"

 

It's really that bad. This is definitely in Alfonsucka territory, don't you think? How many leads do they have to blow?

 

And I was really expecting our bullpen to be our strength this year. What a idiot I am.

I was too actually. I should have known better to think the Cubs can do even one thing right.

[C.C.]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

Between the bullpen and the fielding, I feel sorry for the Cubs starting pitchers...

The offense isn't exactly lights out either. Inconsistent is a word to perfectly describe them.

 

The defense isn't killing us. It's the no offense and no bullpen.

 

Late inning offense... They score early. Love that. But then they go down like Enron.

 

And the rare times they score late the bullpen gives it right back. Man, what a mess...

[Omar]

Fan graph...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/lgraphs/270514121_Cubs_Mets_9475929_lbig.png

 

*sigh*

[Flames24Rulz]

My thoughts on the game: It sucked and this bullpen really, really, really sucks. I have absolutely no confidence in any of them.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

don't suck

 

didn't listen

[Omar]

don't suck

 

didn't listen

 

Never have, never will.

[soccer10k]

i'd like to have a "pour it on" game instead of a "score early then wait for them to catch up" game

i hate being right

The problem is that the "pour it on" game is almost always followed by the "unable to score" game.

 

At least with that scenario, the Cubs win one of the games.

[soccer10k]

AND THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T BASICALLY INTENTIONALLY WALK A GUY TO LOADED THE BASES!! Idiots. Should have just pitched to Beltran. At least the Mets would have earned the win then.

 

Um, Delgado is really struggling this year. Beltran is mashing. Walking Beltran is the way to go. Reyes scores from second on a single.

 

It's not Lou's fault Wuertz couldn't throw strikes.

 

Doesn't matter. With the bases loaded and the game tied in the bottom of the ninth, you have no margin for error. A wild pitch or passed ball, game over. A walk or HBP, game over. Any type of hit and the game is over. At least with runners on first and second, a WP/PB doesn't end the game. A BB/HBP doesn't end the game. An infield hit doesn't end the game. Even a hardhit ball to the outfield doesn't end the game (since the OF will likely be playing in in that situation for that very reason). Your margin for error is gone. I don't know about you, but I would rather have Beltran drive home the winning run with a hit than have Delgado get walked with the bases loaded. It was a bad idea to do that.

[Flames24Rulz]

AND THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T BASICALLY INTENTIONALLY WALK A GUY TO LOADED THE BASES!! Idiots. Should have just pitched to Beltran. At least the Mets would have earned the win then.

 

Um, Delgado is really struggling this year. Beltran is mashing. Walking Beltran is the way to go. Reyes scores from second on a single.

 

It's not Lou's fault Wuertz couldn't throw strikes.

 

Doesn't matter. With the bases loaded and the game tied in the bottom of the ninth, you have no margin for error. A wild pitch or passed ball, game over. A walk or HBP, game over. Any type of hit and the game is over. At least with runners on first and second, a WP/PB doesn't end the game. A BB/HBP doesn't end the game. An infield hit doesn't end the game. Even a hardhit ball to the outfield doesn't end the game (since the OF will likely be playing in in that situation for that very reason). Your margin for error is gone. I don't know about you, but I would rather have Beltran drive home the winning run with a hit than have Delgado get walked with the bases loaded. It was a bad idea to do that.

 

Agreed. Wuertz already walked one guy that inning, so loading the bases where a walk could score a run wasn't the smartest thing to do. At least if you go after Beltran, a walk wouldn't have ended it. Just didn't really understand the strategy in that sequence.

[soccer10k]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

 

You don't recall our bullpen with Alfonsucka or Hawkins then?

 

Well, in a couple years you'll probably be saying, "don't you remember those bozos Howry, Eyre, and Ohman?"

 

It's really that bad. This is definitely in Alfonsucka territory, don't you think? How many leads do they have to blow?

 

Cubs bullpen ERA's:

 

2007: 3.61 (before today)

2006: 4.04

2005: 4.24

2004: 4.03

2003: 4.16

2002: 4.86

2001: 3.93

2000: 5.17

 

This is the best pen the Cubs have had in a while.

[Omar]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

 

You don't recall our bullpen with Alfonsucka or Hawkins then?

 

Well, in a couple years you'll probably be saying, "don't you remember those bozos Howry, Eyre, and Ohman?"

 

It's really that bad. This is definitely in Alfonsucka territory, don't you think? How many leads do they have to blow?

 

Cubs bullpen ERA's:

 

2007: 3.61 (before today)

2006: 4.04

2005: 4.24

2004: 4.03

2003: 4.16

2002: 4.86

2001: 3.93

2000: 5.17

 

This is the best pen the Cubs have had in a while.

 

Cotts's and Dempster's ERAs bring that down a whole lot.

[Flames24Rulz]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

 

You don't recall our bullpen with Alfonsucka or Hawkins then?

 

Well, in a couple years you'll probably be saying, "don't you remember those bozos Howry, Eyre, and Ohman?"

 

It's really that bad. This is definitely in Alfonsucka territory, don't you think? How many leads do they have to blow?

 

Cubs bullpen ERA's:

 

2007: 3.61 (before today)

2006: 4.04

2005: 4.24

2004: 4.03

2003: 4.16

2002: 4.86

2001: 3.93

2000: 5.17

 

This is the best pen the Cubs have had in a while.

 

Yeah, I remember that 2000 pen. Truly a wonder. This pen is pretty bad though even though the ERA is the best it has been the last 8 years. Like I said, I really can't feel confident with any of these guys.

[soccer10k]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

 

You don't recall our bullpen with Alfonsucka or Hawkins then?

 

Well, in a couple years you'll probably be saying, "don't you remember those bozos Howry, Eyre, and Ohman?"

 

It's really that bad. This is definitely in Alfonsucka territory, don't you think? How many leads do they have to blow?

 

Cubs bullpen ERA's:

 

2007: 3.61 (before today)

2006: 4.04

2005: 4.24

2004: 4.03

2003: 4.16

2002: 4.86

2001: 3.93

2000: 5.17

 

This is the best pen the Cubs have had in a while.

 

Cotts's and Dempster's ERAs bring that down a whole lot.

 

And Eyre's ERA brings it up a whole lot.

[baseball7897]

AND THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T BASICALLY INTENTIONALLY WALK A GUY TO LOADED THE BASES!! Idiots. Should have just pitched to Beltran. At least the Mets would have earned the win then.

 

Um, Delgado is really struggling this year. Beltran is mashing. Walking Beltran is the way to go. Reyes scores from second on a single.

 

It's not Lou's fault Wuertz couldn't throw strikes.

 

Doesn't matter. With the bases loaded and the game tied in the bottom of the ninth, you have no margin for error. A wild pitch or passed ball, game over. A walk or HBP, game over. Any type of hit and the game is over. At least with runners on first and second, a WP/PB doesn't end the game. A BB/HBP doesn't end the game. An infield hit doesn't end the game. Even a hardhit ball to the outfield doesn't end the game (since the OF will likely be playing in in that situation for that very reason). Your margin for error is gone. I don't know about you, but I would rather have Beltran drive home the winning run with a hit than have Delgado get walked with the bases loaded. It was a bad idea to do that.

 

Agreed. Wuertz already walked one guy that inning, so loading the bases where a walk could score a run wasn't the smartest thing to do. At least if you go after Beltran, a walk wouldn't have ended it. Just didn't really understand the strategy in that sequence.

 

I think they were trying to go after Beltran, but when you fall behind 2-0 in the count to a guy like Beltran in a situation like that you have to be smart where you are going to throw your next pitch. I rather have Delgado try to beat you than Beltran in that situation. Delgado has struggled this year and Beltran has been hitting the ball really well so far.

[BigSlick]

My thoughts on the game: It sucked and this bullpen really, really, really sucks. I have absolutely no confidence in any of them.

 

Was there any hope that the Cubs were gonna win this game after the Mets tied it? Of course not. No true Cub fan could actually imagine that.

 

The offense wasn't even that good tonight, they got some lucky hit, some hard hit balls and some bloops, and just when they looked like they were gonna chase Glavine off and make it a terrible day for him, they got his back and went down in order for...7 innings.

[C.C.]

I see no way this club does anything of note in '07.

 

This is the worst bullpen I think I've ever seen.

 

You don't recall our bullpen with Alfonsucka or Hawkins then?

 

Well, in a couple years you'll probably be saying, "don't you remember those bozos Howry, Eyre, and Ohman?"

 

It's really that bad. This is definitely in Alfonsucka territory, don't you think? How many leads do they have to blow?

 

Cubs bullpen ERA's:

 

2007: 3.61 (before today)

2006: 4.04

2005: 4.24

2004: 4.03

2003: 4.16

2002: 4.86

2001: 3.93

2000: 5.17

 

This is the best pen the Cubs have had in a while.

 

Meh! I watch every game and this pen is bad. Giving up 10 loses is terrible.