4/23 Cubs (Zambrano) vs Beermakers (Vargas) 7:05 WCIU

[A New Era]

1. The black cat in 69.

Cubs had a 9 1/2 game lead in mid-August.

2. Leon Durham in 84

Cubs had a 2-0 lead in the series. In game 5, had a 3-0 lead with Sutcliffe pitching.

3. Steve Bartman

Cubs led series 3-1. 5 outs away from the world series and Bartman happens.

4. Wood

5. Prior

 

I'm on your side. But you need more evidence. For 100 years the list would have to be nigh 1000 long to convince some people.

[Omar]

I dont mean to be grumpy, but can we please get the next thread up while I'm alive? I really want to forget about this game.

[Sarcastic]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

I'm sorry, I just can't see spending the tiny amount of spirituality that hasn't been crushed out of me on a baseball curse. There is, like I said, no way to ever show evidence of a curse, so there is no rational way to believe in the truth of a curse.

[soccer10k]

Memo: Cubs games are now every 5 days. You know why.

 

Starting tomorrow.

[VanceJergins]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

I'm sorry, I just can't see spending the tiny amount of spirituality that hasn't been crushed out of me on a baseball curse. There is, like I said, no way to ever show evidence of a curse, so there is no rational way to believe in the truth of a curse.

 

Well, you think curses are irrational and I think continuing to use blind chance as an explanation is irrational.

[VanceJergins]

1. The black cat in 69.

Cubs had a 9 1/2 game lead in mid-August.

2. Leon Durham in 84

Cubs had a 2-0 lead in the series. In game 5, had a 3-0 lead with Sutcliffe pitching.

3. Steve Bartman

Cubs led series 3-1. 5 outs away from the world series and Bartman happens.

4. Wood

5. Prior

 

I'm on your side. But you need more evidence. For 100 years the list would have to be nigh 1000 long to convince some people.

 

I'm sure there's much more out there, but I'm sure you couldn't find a team to even match that list.

[Sarcastic]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

I'm sorry, I just can't see spending the tiny amount of spirituality that hasn't been crushed out of me on a baseball curse. There is, like I said, no way to ever show evidence of a curse, so there is no rational way to believe in the truth of a curse.

 

Well, you think curses are irrational and I think continuing to use blind chance as an explanation is irrational.

 

If you flipped a coin 100 times and it kept coming up heads, would you say that it is cursed? Such events occur. With such an incredible number of probabilities calculated every second, it is inevitable that some streaks emerge. Now, you might be able to convince me that it was a trick coin, but then you would have to use some actual evidence, like showing me the heads on both sides. The losing does suggest the possibility of an modifying factor. In this case, bad management seems the most likely culprit.

[soccer10k]

If, at the END OF THE SEASON (that was implied in my last post) they are in last place, it will be because they were outscored. Anybody can suck in one run games in a sample size like this. Believe it or not, the Cubs are not the only team to have ever had a run like this.

 

The 2006 Cleveland Indians would like to say hello. They finished the year 78-84 but outscored their opponents 870 to 782 for a pythag W/L of 90-72. Now, they didn't finish in last place, and can thank the Royals for that, but they did finish in 4th.

[Sarcastic]

If, at the END OF THE SEASON (that was implied in my last post) they are in last place, it will be because they were outscored. Anybody can suck in one run games in a sample size like this. Believe it or not, the Cubs are not the only team to have ever had a run like this.

 

The 2006 Cleveland Indians would like to say hello. They finished the year 78-84 but outscored their opponents 870 to 782 for a pythag W/L of 90-72. Now, they didn't finish in last place, and can thank the Royals for that, but they did finish in 4th.

 

Thank you. Data is good.

 

This goes to show that the Cubs are not the only team capable of having a long streak of losing in close games. I doubt if even the Cubs have ever had numbers that severe. Once again, the Cubs are not the only team to have terrible streaks.

[VanceJergins]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

I'm sorry, I just can't see spending the tiny amount of spirituality that hasn't been crushed out of me on a baseball curse. There is, like I said, no way to ever show evidence of a curse, so there is no rational way to believe in the truth of a curse.

 

Well, you think curses are irrational and I think continuing to use blind chance as an explanation is irrational.

 

If you flipped a coin 100 times and it kept coming up heads, would you say that it is cursed? Such events occur. With such an incredible number of probabilities calculated every second, it is inevitable that some streaks emerge. Now, you might be able to convince me that it was a trick coin, but then you would have to use some actual evidence, like showing me the heads on both sides. The losing does suggest the possibility of an modifying factor. In this case, bad management seems the most likely culprit.

 

The management hasnt been the same for 99 years.

 

Also, if I was flipping a coin and it came up heads 61 times, then it looked like it was going to come up tails but a black cat jumped out and knocked it heads, then on flip 74 it was going to come up tails but it fell through a crack in the floor and then ended up heads, then on flip 95 it seemed sure to come down on tails but someone tried to grab it for a souvenir and knocked it heads, and then on flip 99 I committed $300 million to try and get it to come up tails and it came up heads harder than ever.....I would REALLY start to think somethings up.

[inari]

Chris, I've adjusted your picture a bit.

 

http://photos-969.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v73/167/41/14824290/n14824290_34718969_132.jpg

[CardsFanInChiTown]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

You sound like a Rex Sox or White Sox fan about 5 years ago.

 

 

Curses do not exist.

[Butterscup1679666578]

does that say "Hitting 101" or "Hitting lol"

[Sarcastic]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

I'm sorry, I just can't see spending the tiny amount of spirituality that hasn't been crushed out of me on a baseball curse. There is, like I said, no way to ever show evidence of a curse, so there is no rational way to believe in the truth of a curse.

 

Well, you think curses are irrational and I think continuing to use blind chance as an explanation is irrational.

 

If you flipped a coin 100 times and it kept coming up heads, would you say that it is cursed? Such events occur. With such an incredible number of probabilities calculated every second, it is inevitable that some streaks emerge. Now, you might be able to convince me that it was a trick coin, but then you would have to use some actual evidence, like showing me the heads on both sides. The losing does suggest the possibility of an modifying factor. In this case, bad management seems the most likely culprit.

 

The management hasnt been the same for 99 years.

 

Also, if I was flipping a coin and it came up heads 61 times, then it looked like it was going to come up tails but a black cat jumped out and knocked it heads, then on flip 74 it was going to come up tails but it fell through a crack in the floor and then ended up heads, then on flip 95 it seemed sure to come down on tails but someone tried to grab it for a souvenir and knocked it heads, and then on flip 99 I committed $300 million to try and get it to come up tails and it came up heads harder than ever.....I would REALLY start to think somethings up.

 

Of course management can't explain every loss. Some is chance, some occur from other factors. We would need a hell of a computer to analyze the exact reasons for every Cubs loss.

 

If that cat happened to come by, perhaps there was a reason the cat was attracted to it? Really, coincidence is not evidence. You need causation, not correlation. You cannot give evidence for a curse. No matter what you do, you cannot postulate an irrational law like a curse, since it doesn't act in a predictable way. After the fact, you can come up with as many theories connecting the mishaps with a curse as you like, but unless those theories predict the exact nature of future instances of the curse (which they can't since it doesn't follow a rational pattern) they are nothing but a bunch of belief.

[Sarcastic]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

You sound like a Rex Sox or White Sox fan about 5 years ago.

 

 

Curses do not exist.

 

Sorry, but even if I agree with you, Cardinals fans do not get to discuss curses. Ever.

[Omar]

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5551/suckkn1.jpg

 

Anyone else, feel free to add on your own stuff.. Pics of angry Lou, etc. This could go far.

Edited April 24, 2007 by Omar

[inari]

does that say "Hitting 101" or "Hitting lol"

 

Whichever you'd prefer.

[Butterscup1679666578]

does that say "Hitting 101" or "Hitting lol"

 

Whichever you'd prefer.

 

I think I prefer "Hitting lol"

[Chris]

ha ha

[VanceJergins]

what would it take for you to believe, sarcastic? would it take the rest of your life of seeing bizarre things happen to the cubs or would you still not believe?

 

I'm sorry, I just can't see spending the tiny amount of spirituality that hasn't been crushed out of me on a baseball curse. There is, like I said, no way to ever show evidence of a curse, so there is no rational way to believe in the truth of a curse.

 

Well, you think curses are irrational and I think continuing to use blind chance as an explanation is irrational.

 

If you flipped a coin 100 times and it kept coming up heads, would you say that it is cursed? Such events occur. With such an incredible number of probabilities calculated every second, it is inevitable that some streaks emerge. Now, you might be able to convince me that it was a trick coin, but then you would have to use some actual evidence, like showing me the heads on both sides. The losing does suggest the possibility of an modifying factor. In this case, bad management seems the most likely culprit.

 

The management hasnt been the same for 99 years.

 

Also, if I was flipping a coin and it came up heads 61 times, then it looked like it was going to come up tails but a black cat jumped out and knocked it heads, then on flip 74 it was going to come up tails but it fell through a crack in the floor and then ended up heads, then on flip 95 it seemed sure to come down on tails but someone tried to grab it for a souvenir and knocked it heads, and then on flip 99 I committed $300 million to try and get it to come up tails and it came up heads harder than ever.....I would REALLY start to think somethings up.

 

Of course management can't explain every loss. Some is chance, some occur from other factors. We would need a hell of a computer to analyze the exact reasons for every Cubs loss.

 

If that cat happened to come by, perhaps there was a reason the cat was attracted to it? Really, coincidence is not evidence. You need causation, not correlation. You cannot give evidence for a curse. No matter what you do, you cannot postulate an irrational law like a curse, since it doesn't act in a predictable way. After the fact, you can come up with as many theories connecting the mishaps with a curse as you like, but unless those theories predict the exact nature of future instances of the curse (which they can't since it doesn't follow a rational pattern) they are nothing but a bunch of belief.

 

So does it at all seem weird to you that a black cat happened to circle Santo in the midst of the Cubs' collapse in 69? If you told that to someone that doesn't follow baseball but knew about the Cubs' struggles, they would think you were joking.....And thats just the tip of the iceberg. You cannot come up with nearly the list of crazy junk that has happened to other teams. There are scattered examples (Bill Buckner, Indians' 06 run differential, etc) but nothing like the Cubs.

[Butterscup1679666578]

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5551/suckkn1.jpg

 

Anyone else, feel free to add on your own stuff.. Pics of angry Lou, etc. This could go far.

 

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6435/suckkn1cm4.jpg

[soccer10k]

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5551/suckkn1.jpg

 

Anyone else, feel free to add on your own stuff.. Pics of angry Lou, etc. This could go far.

 

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6435/suckkn1cm4.jpg

 

Awesome.

[Sarcastic]

Of course management can't explain every loss. Some is chance, some occur from other factors. We would need a hell of a computer to analyze the exact reasons for every Cubs loss.

 

If that cat happened to come by, perhaps there was a reason the cat was attracted to it? Really, coincidence is not evidence. You need causation, not correlation. You cannot give evidence for a curse. No matter what you do, you cannot postulate an irrational law like a curse, since it doesn't act in a predictable way. After the fact, you can come up with as many theories connecting the mishaps with a curse as you like, but unless those theories predict the exact nature of future instances of the curse (which they can't since it doesn't follow a rational pattern) they are nothing but a bunch of belief.

 

So does it at all seem weird to you that a black cat happened to circle Santo in the midst of the Cubs' collapse in 69? If you told that to someone that doesn't follow baseball but knew about the Cubs' struggles, they would think you were joking.....And thats just the tip of the iceberg. You cannot come up with nearly the list of crazy junk that has happened to other teams. There are scattered examples (Bill Buckner, Indians' 06 run differential, etc) but nothing like the Cubs.

 

And still, for all the crazy seeming coincidences you bring up, my answer remains the same. No theory can be created to predict these events based on the concept of a curse, because a curse is inherently random, irrational, and unpredicable. So, it is still no evidence in favor of or against the existence of such a thing existing.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy also believe in curses

 

btw

[Brian]

The best part about this game live, was watching Pie in the outfield and him hit his double. I'm sure it was visible on TV, but when he got to second he was clapping really hard and excited, poor guy needs to learn that now he's going to get stranded there 9 times out of 10.