4/23 Cubs (Zambrano) vs Beermakers (Vargas) 7:05 WCIU

[CubColtPacer]

Well, the Cubs had plenty of baserunners in this game-17 to be exact. Just about everyone failed to execute in a key situation late in the game. Soriano and Murton couldn't drive a run home from 3rd with less than 2 outs. Lee couldn't get a 2 out hit in that same inning. DeRosa and Barrett couldn't get it done in the 8th. Cedeno couldn't get it done in the 10th. Soriano and Marquis in the 11th. Jones and DeRosa in the 12th.

 

Can't really blame the bullpen as a whole on this one-6 2/3 of 3 run ball. That may not be great, but it's certainly not terrible either. Eyre was bad again, as he has been since last August. Cherry had a first outing that he'd like to forget. Ohman did great getting his two outs, Wuertz had his customary flawless inning, Howry was good in his inning and a third, Dempster got through with little trouble in his 2.

 

I'm not sure Lou really over-managed here. Pie pinch-hitting for the pitcher in the 7th was pretty obvious. At the time, Murton coming in for Floyd against a left-hander with runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out was a good move, as the team looked to put insurance runs on the board and ice the game.

 

Similarly, Blanco had to be taken down for a pinch-hitter with 2 on and 1 out in a tie game in the 8th. Then it made sense to take Izturis down as well. Once Izturis was pinch hit for, Cedeno pinch-ran for Ward, and Cedeno would have had to come in for Izturis after the inning anyway.

 

The only person he could have really saved was Theriot, and even that is a debatable situation.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/mgoedken/Wrigley_Field.jpg

[Sarcastic]

when are people going to look and see the same things happening with the cubs that have always happened to cubs teams--you know, things that absolutely never happen to other teams and admit that there could be something to curses?

 

the cubs can't win because they are cursed, people, they are cursed cursed cursed. they will never win in that ballpark no matter who they have. they've assembled a team full of past winners and still they can't win.

 

this team is cursed.

 

Well said

 

Wow, even the fans are getting the loser attitude. Sure the Cubs have been playing poor, but to say there is nothing they can do to win is idiotic.

 

The only thing the Cubs are cursed with is a moron for a GM that doesn't have a clue how to assemble a team. The Cubs could get Earl Weaver to manage this team and they would still be in last place.

 

Hendry has to go, it is too bad they let him saddle the team long term before he left.

 

they have a team that should be winning. they're 0-5 in 1 run games and derrek lee has no home runs.

 

weird stuff is happening. you better start believing in curses, becaue this curse is a dilly.

 

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

 

Is it possible for the team to outscore their opponents but still end up last in the division? Yes. Is it likely to happen over a 162 game season? No. It can happen, but it is no more likely to happen because of some imaginary voodoo nonsense some people made up to explain a a bizarre longterm aberration.

[VanceJergins]

when are people going to look and see the same things happening with the cubs that have always happened to cubs teams--you know, things that absolutely never happen to other teams and admit that there could be something to curses?

 

the cubs can't win because they are cursed, people, they are cursed cursed cursed. they will never win in that ballpark no matter who they have. they've assembled a team full of past winners and still they can't win.

 

this team is cursed.

 

Well said

 

Wow, even the fans are getting the loser attitude. Sure the Cubs have been playing poor, but to say there is nothing they can do to win is idiotic.

 

The only thing the Cubs are cursed with is a moron for a GM that doesn't have a clue how to assemble a team. The Cubs could get Earl Weaver to manage this team and they would still be in last place.

 

Hendry has to go, it is too bad they let him saddle the team long term before he left.

 

they have a team that should be winning. they're 0-5 in 1 run games and derrek lee has no home runs.

 

weird stuff is happening. you better start believing in curses, becaue this curse is a dilly.

 

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

 

Is it possible for the team to outscore their opponents but still end up last in the division? Yes. Is it likely to happen over a 162 game season? No. It can happen, but it is no more likely to happen because of some imaginary voodoo nonsense some people made up to explain a a bizarre longterm aberration.

 

Whats your evidence that curses aren't real?

[CUBZ99]

when are people going to look and see the same things happening with the cubs that have always happened to cubs teams--you know, things that absolutely never happen to other teams and admit that there could be something to curses?

 

the cubs can't win because they are cursed, people, they are cursed cursed cursed. they will never win in that ballpark no matter who they have. they've assembled a team full of past winners and still they can't win.

 

this team is cursed.

 

Well said

 

Wow, even the fans are getting the loser attitude. Sure the Cubs have been playing poor, but to say there is nothing they can do to win is idiotic.

 

The only thing the Cubs are cursed with is a moron for a GM that doesn't have a clue how to assemble a team. The Cubs could get Earl Weaver to manage this team and they would still be in last place.

 

Hendry has to go, it is too bad they let him saddle the team long term before he left.

 

they have a team that should be winning. they're 0-5 in 1 run games and derrek lee has no home runs.

 

weird stuff is happening. you better start believing in curses, becaue this curse is a dilly.

 

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

 

Is it possible for the team to outscore their opponents but still end up last in the division? Yes. Is it likely to happen over a 162 game season? No. It can happen, but it is no more likely to happen because of some imaginary voodoo nonsense some people made up to explain a a bizarre longterm aberration.

 

Whats your evidence that curses aren't real?

 

The Red Sox?

[VanceJergins]

 

The Red Sox?

 

Couldn't that be evidence that curses can be broken?

[Omar]

 

The Red Sox?

 

Couldn't that be evidence that curses can be broken?

 

Possibly the White Sox?

[Magnetic Curses]

when are people going to look and see the same things happening with the cubs that have always happened to cubs teams--you know, things that absolutely never happen to other teams and admit that there could be something to curses?

 

the cubs can't win because they are cursed, people, they are cursed cursed cursed. they will never win in that ballpark no matter who they have. they've assembled a team full of past winners and still they can't win.

 

this team is cursed.

 

Well said

 

Wow, even the fans are getting the loser attitude. Sure the Cubs have been playing poor, but to say there is nothing they can do to win is idiotic.

 

The only thing the Cubs are cursed with is a moron for a GM that doesn't have a clue how to assemble a team. The Cubs could get Earl Weaver to manage this team and they would still be in last place.

 

Hendry has to go, it is too bad they let him saddle the team long term before he left.

 

they have a team that should be winning. they're 0-5 in 1 run games and derrek lee has no home runs.

 

weird stuff is happening. you better start believing in curses, becaue this curse is a dilly.

 

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

 

Is it possible for the team to outscore their opponents but still end up last in the division? Yes. Is it likely to happen over a 162 game season? No. It can happen, but it is no more likely to happen because of some imaginary voodoo nonsense some people made up to explain a a bizarre longterm aberration.

 

you sit there and watch the same games that i do, you see the same weird messed up things happening to players who have been very successful with other frnachises, you see them lose in ridiculous ways, you probably get the same bad feelings that i get and still you refuse that there's a monster undewr4 your bed as it's eating your parents in front of your eyes!

 

as i've dsaid, the late 60's cubs had pretty much 4 HOFers on their team, expalin to me how they couldn't win. it must have been "bad baseball" right?

[inari]

Curses. Aren't. Real.

 

Ineptitude, on the other hand, is.

[Derwood]

when are people going to look and see the same things happening with the cubs that have always happened to cubs teams--you know, things that absolutely never happen to other teams and admit that there could be something to curses?

 

the cubs can't win because they are cursed, people, they are cursed cursed cursed. they will never win in that ballpark no matter who they have. they've assembled a team full of past winners and still they can't win.

 

this team is cursed.

 

Well said

 

Wow, even the fans are getting the loser attitude. Sure the Cubs have been playing poor, but to say there is nothing they can do to win is idiotic.

 

The only thing the Cubs are cursed with is a moron for a GM that doesn't have a clue how to assemble a team. The Cubs could get Earl Weaver to manage this team and they would still be in last place.

 

Hendry has to go, it is too bad they let him saddle the team long term before he left.

 

they have a team that should be winning. they're 0-5 in 1 run games and derrek lee has no home runs.

 

weird stuff is happening. you better start believing in curses, becaue this curse is a dilly.

 

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

.

 

http://www.simleaguebaseball.com/derwood/einstein.jpg

[Omar]

Any words from Lou yet?

[Magnetic Curses]

 

The Red Sox?

 

Couldn't that be evidence that curses can be broken?

 

the red sox weren't cursed. babe ruth was a ballplayer, not a witch.

 

a goat, however, is often used in black ceremonies, or so i'm told.

[Chris]

Curses schmurses...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*crushed by a piano*

[Derwood]

 

The Red Sox?

 

Couldn't that be evidence that curses can be broken?

 

the red sox weren't cursed. babe ruth was a ballplayer, not a witch.

 

a goat, however, is often used in black ceremonies, or so i'm told.

 

i didn't realize that the mythical goat owner was a witch doctor

[VanceJergins]

 

as i've dsaid, the late 60's cubs had pretty much 4 HOFers on their team, expalin to me how they couldn't win. it must have been "bad baseball" right?

 

Weren't there another 2-3 allstars on the 69 team? And I seem to recall some sort of literal black cat incident....Explain that, naysayers.

[A New Era]

I'm with Sulley on this one.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

The Red Sox?

 

Couldn't that be evidence that curses can be broken?

 

the red sox weren't cursed. babe ruth was a ballplayer, not a witch.

 

a goat, however, is often used in black ceremonies, or so i'm told.

 

i didn't realize that the mythical goat owner was a witch doctor

 

i didn't realize that it was possible for teams to lose in such ways that the cubs have, but it's happened.

 

exhibit a. game 6

[VanceJergins]

The 03 Cubs were the first good Cubs team that I've been old enough to really follow, that those playoffs alone are enough to convince me that the Cubs are cursed. I can't imagine if I would have gone through 84 and 69.

[Magnetic Curses]

it's like people are sitting there, watching the water rise, and telling themselves they don't believe in water as they drown.

[Omar]

Listening to WGN 720. No words on Lou yet.

[Sarcastic]

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

 

Is it possible for the team to outscore their opponents but still end up last in the division? Yes. Is it likely to happen over a 162 game season? No. It can happen, but it is no more likely to happen because of some imaginary voodoo nonsense some people made up to explain a a bizarre longterm aberration.

 

Whats your evidence that curses aren't real?

 

The wonderful thing about curses is that, like all other things falling into the irrational realm of human thought, they cannot be proven or disproven. This is because they have no defined impact on the real world. Anything can be interpreted as evidence for or against a curse. In a way, it is a form of spiritualism. You might as well pray to the Sun God to give you a boutiful harvest.

 

If you want to believe in curses, that is up to you. Realistically though, curses have nothing to do with the real, material world. Believe it or not, that is where baseball is played.

[Magnetic Curses]

The 03 Cubs were the first good Cubs team that I've been old enough to really follow, that those playoffs alone are enough to convince me that the Cubs are cursed. I can't imagine if I would have gone through 84 and 69.

 

the curse is specific. wrigley will never see a world series game after 1945.

 

the only way to break the curse is to demolish wrigley and salt the earth so that nothing will ever grow there again.

 

do that and the cubs will win a pennant.

[A New Era]

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

 

Is it possible for the team to outscore their opponents but still end up last in the division? Yes. Is it likely to happen over a 162 game season? No. It can happen, but it is no more likely to happen because of some imaginary voodoo nonsense some people made up to explain a a bizarre longterm aberration.

 

Whats your evidence that curses aren't real?

 

The wonderful thing about curses is that, like all other things falling into the irrational realm of human thought, they cannot be proven or disproven. This is because they have no defined impact on the real world. Anything can be interpreted as evidence for or against a curse. In a way, it is a form of spiritualism. You might as well pray to the Sun God to give you a boutiful harvest.

 

If you want to believe in curses, that is up to you. Realistically though, curses have nothing to do with the real, material world. Believe it or not, that is where baseball is played.

 

where's your evidence curses have nothing to do with the real, material world? :wink:

Edited April 24, 2007 by A New Era

[Chris]

 

exhibit a. game 6

 

The collapse in game 6 wasn't a curse. It was a group of guys that got spooked and didn't keep their head in the game. Moises freaked out, Prior freaked out, everyone freaked out. Everyone was looking for the "curse" at the park and thought they found it when Steve touched the ball. The images of priests at Wrigley before game 7 is an image I'll never forget.

[VanceJergins]

Yay for stupid BS kneejerk reactions!

 

Repeat after me: Curses are not real. Now, write that on the blackboard 1000 times.

 

Is it possible for the team to outscore their opponents but still end up last in the division? Yes. Is it likely to happen over a 162 game season? No. It can happen, but it is no more likely to happen because of some imaginary voodoo nonsense some people made up to explain a a bizarre longterm aberration.

 

Whats your evidence that curses aren't real?

 

The wonderful thing about curses is that, like all other things falling into the irrational realm of human thought, they cannot be proven or disproven. This is because they have no defined impact on the real world. Anything can be interpreted as evidence for or against a curse. In a way, it is a form of spiritualism. You might as well pray to the Sun God to give you a boutiful harvest.

 

If you want to believe in curses, that is up to you. Realistically though, curses have nothing to do with the real, material world. Believe it or not, that is where baseball is played.

 

What makes your line of thinking more rational? I have a mountain of evidence.