Minor League Discussion & Boxes 4-21-2007

[Laura]

Still no Dopirak in the lineup, anyone know what's wrong with him?

 

You could email Mick Gillispie (email in the broadcast sticky) and ask.

 

eta: I think peoriachiefs39 posted recently that Dopirak had a pulled muscle.

Edited April 22, 2007 by Laura

[E.J.]

Ugh. Guzman struggling. It's already 3-0 and he hasn't gotten out of the 2nd yet. :cry:

[Flames24Rulz]

Guzman's 2nd:

 

Leadoff walk on 4 pitches

Double on 6 pitches...runners at 2nd and 3rd

Groundout 6-3 on 6 pitches...run scores, runner at 2nd moves up to 3rd

Single on 1 pitch...run scores

FC 3-6 on 4 pitches...runner at 1st

Groundout 3-1 on 1 pitch

 

2 IP, 4 hits, 3 ERs, 0 Ks/1 BB, 37 pitches/23 strikes

[E.J.]

Guzman gives up a 2-run homer in the 3rd inning. He's already given up 5 runs with still no outs in the 3rd. :x

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ugh, Angel.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Daytona lost 9-1.

[Flames24Rulz]

Guzman's 3rd:

 

Walk on 7 pitches

HR on 2 pitches

Flyout in 2 pitches

Single on 2 pitches

Popup on 1 pitch

Groundout on 3 pitches

 

3 IP, 6 hits, 5 ERs, 2 BBs, 0 Ks, 54 pitches, 34 strikes.

[Chris]

yikes

[Flames24Rulz]

Peoria lost 13-3. Ouch.

[E.J.]

Guzman was only scheduled to pitch about 60 pitches, so he's done after 3.

 

His final line:

3 IP, 6 hits, 5 ERs, 2 BBs, 0 Ks, 54 pitches, 34 strikes

 

Not what you'd like to see from the guy who's fighting to take over the 5th spot in the rotation.

[CubColtPacer]

Guzman was only scheduled to pitch about 60 pitches, so he's done after 3.

 

His final line:

3 IP, 6 hits, 5 ERs, 2 BBs, 0 Ks, 54 pitches, 34 strikes

 

Not what you'd like to see from the guy who's fighting to take over the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

That's not good. It's possible that he won't even get the Thursday start-if management decides that he is not right for the 5th spot, then I could easily see them not wanting him to start on Thursday because he will likely be recalled on Friday as a reliever. If that happens then (or if he pitches on Thursday and isn't absolutely outstanding) then I don't think he'll get another chance at starter for at least another month.

[FloridaCubbie]

Guzman was only scheduled to pitch about 60 pitches, so he's done after 3.

 

His final line:

3 IP, 6 hits, 5 ERs, 2 BBs, 0 Ks, 54 pitches, 34 strikes

 

Not what you'd like to see from the guy who's fighting to take over the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

That's not good. It's possible that he won't even get the Thursday start-if management decides that he is not right for the 5th spot, then I could easily see them not wanting him to start on Thursday because he will likely be recalled on Friday as a reliever. If that happens then (or if he pitches on Thursday and isn't absolutely outstanding) then I don't think he'll get another chance at starter for at least another month.

If Marmol keeps pitching like he did his last two outings, Guzman may not get that chance.

[TruffleShuffle]

Guzman was only scheduled to pitch about 60 pitches, so he's done after 3.

 

His final line:

3 IP, 6 hits, 5 ERs, 2 BBs, 0 Ks, 54 pitches, 34 strikes

 

Not what you'd like to see from the guy who's fighting to take over the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

That's not good. It's possible that he won't even get the Thursday start-if management decides that he is not right for the 5th spot, then I could easily see them not wanting him to start on Thursday because he will likely be recalled on Friday as a reliever. If that happens then (or if he pitches on Thursday and isn't absolutely outstanding) then I don't think he'll get another chance at starter for at least another month.

If Marmol keeps pitching like he did his last two outings, Guzman may not get that chance.

 

not saying that marmol is a bust, but he was disturbingly bad with the cubs last year. Personally, I'd like to see him groomed as a closer.

[FloridaCubbie]

Guzman was only scheduled to pitch about 60 pitches, so he's done after 3.

 

His final line:

3 IP, 6 hits, 5 ERs, 2 BBs, 0 Ks, 54 pitches, 34 strikes

 

Not what you'd like to see from the guy who's fighting to take over the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

That's not good. It's possible that he won't even get the Thursday start-if management decides that he is not right for the 5th spot, then I could easily see them not wanting him to start on Thursday because he will likely be recalled on Friday as a reliever. If that happens then (or if he pitches on Thursday and isn't absolutely outstanding) then I don't think he'll get another chance at starter for at least another month.

If Marmol keeps pitching like he did his last two outings, Guzman may not get that chance.

 

not saying that marmol is a bust, but he was disturbingly bad with the cubs last year. Personally, I'd like to see him groomed as a closer.

His walk rate was indeed disturbingly bad last year @ 6.9/9IP but if he significantly improves on that I think he can be pretty good.

Also, I'm curious as to why he tends to be viewed as a reliever, I assume he doesn't have an effective 3rd pitch?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Guzman was only scheduled to pitch about 60 pitches, so he's done after 3.

 

His final line:

3 IP, 6 hits, 5 ERs, 2 BBs, 0 Ks, 54 pitches, 34 strikes

 

Not what you'd like to see from the guy who's fighting to take over the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

That's not good. It's possible that he won't even get the Thursday start-if management decides that he is not right for the 5th spot, then I could easily see them not wanting him to start on Thursday because he will likely be recalled on Friday as a reliever. If that happens then (or if he pitches on Thursday and isn't absolutely outstanding) then I don't think he'll get another chance at starter for at least another month.

If Marmol keeps pitching like he did his last two outings, Guzman may not get that chance.

 

not saying that marmol is a bust, but he was disturbingly bad with the cubs last year. Personally, I'd like to see him groomed as a closer.

 

Well, he was rushed. His control has been great so far this season, if he can keep that up, he's taken a big step forward.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tennessee up 5-0. Kevin Hart with 7 shutout innings.

[UK1679666180]

Joel Santo gave up 4 in the bottom of the first. Daytona down 4-0 after two.

 

Anyone going to Geneva for any of the Kane County-Peoria series?

 

Tonight was a game that most would not have wanted to attend. It was the 1st time I've ever seen Blue ask a manager what the correct call is.

Edited April 22, 2007 by UK

[Flames24Rulz]

Tennessee up 5-0. Kevin Hart with 7 shutout innings.

 

And Tennessee wins by that score. Chris Walker also had a 3-run blast.

 

Iowa down 6-1 in the 9th.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Joel Santo gave up 4 in the bottom of the first. Daytona down 4-0 after two.

 

Anyone going to Geneva for any of the Kane County-Peoria series?

 

Tonight was a game that most would not have wanted to attend.

 

Going to anymore games?

[UK1679666180]

Joel Santo gave up 4 in the bottom of the first. Daytona down 4-0 after two.

 

Anyone going to Geneva for any of the Kane County-Peoria series?

 

Tonight was a game that most would not have wanted to attend.

 

Going to anymore games?

 

Not tomorrow.

[TruffleShuffle]

Well, he was rushed. His control has been great so far this season, if he can keep that up, he's taken a big step forward.

 

With someone like Rich Hill, the control was there in the minors but not in the majors. Marmol has never had better than average control, and generally it's been rather poor.

 

At this point, if they see him as a closer prospect, I don't think they'd be hurting his development by shifting him to the bullpen. The Cubs have a lot of guys in the pipeline who are really starter-only prospects (Gallagher, Veal, Samardzija) and if Z is signed, there are four guys set in the rotation for the next couple of years. Meanwhile, the pen has a good number of veterans (Howry, Eyre) and guys who are marginal (Ohman, Cotts). So I favor moving him to the bullpen.

[imb]

Is there really such a thing as a "starter only prospect"?

[Flames24Rulz]

Iowa lost 6-1.

[texascub]

Well, he was rushed. His control has been great so far this season, if he can keep that up, he's taken a big step forward.

 

With someone like Rich Hill, the control was there in the minors but not in the majors. Marmol has never had better than average control, and generally it's been rather poor.

 

At this point, if they see him as a closer prospect, I don't think they'd be hurting his development by shifting him to the bullpen. The Cubs have a lot of guys in the pipeline who are really starter-only prospects (Gallagher, Veal, Samardzija) and if Z is signed, there are four guys set in the rotation for the next couple of years. Meanwhile, the pen has a good number of veterans (Howry, Eyre) and guys who are marginal (Ohman, Cotts). So I favor moving him to the bullpen.

 

There's nothing wrong with stretching him out and letting him work on his pitches from the rotation now even if he is a closer prospect. We once viewed Aardsma as a closer prospect, and he did some starting as well just to help him work on his pitches and command.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Well, he was rushed. His control has been great so far this season, if he can keep that up, he's taken a big step forward.

 

With someone like Rich Hill, the control was there in the minors but not in the majors. Marmol has never had better than average control, and generally it's been rather poor.

 

At this point, if they see him as a closer prospect, I don't think they'd be hurting his development by shifting him to the bullpen. The Cubs have a lot of guys in the pipeline who are really starter-only prospects (Gallagher, Veal, Samardzija) and if Z is signed, there are four guys set in the rotation for the next couple of years. Meanwhile, the pen has a good number of veterans (Howry, Eyre) and guys who are marginal (Ohman, Cotts). So I favor moving him to the bullpen.

 

There's nothing wrong with stretching him out and letting him work on his pitches from the rotation now even if he is a closer prospect. We once viewed Aardsma as a closer prospect, and he did some starting as well just to help him work on his pitches and command.

 

I agree. Even if Marmol ends up a reliever (which is very possible), I think he should start and get in as many innings as possible. Especially because he's a converted position player and could definitely use the innings for development.