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Runs don't count til the 9th inning. ARod can have 10,000 RBI's in the first 8 innings but unless he bats over .300 with 2 outs in the 9th and down by 2 he's still a no-clutch hack.

 

I'm not saying ARod has no value as a player because he's poor in the "clutch." I'm saying Arod is a great player for the sheer numbers he logs for his team no matter when they occur, yet it's very possible he's below average in "clutch" situations.

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So you believe all players produce equally during "clutch" situations--however "clutch" is defined? That's ridiculous.

 

Why is it hard for you to accept that ARod--while a great player--may be worse than average in such situations?

 

no i don't believe all players produce equally during clutch situations. i think better hitters produce better in clutch situations than worse hitters.

 

i don't think arod is worse than average in clutch situations. i think every time he does fail (appx 65-70% of the time) it gets way overblown, and when he does succeed, it tends to be forgotten.

 

for what it's worth, here's arod's "clutch" splits. they're pretty close to what his career numbers are, which i think tends to be the case for most players.

 

Clutch Stats

I Split          G   GS    PA    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB   CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
+-+------------+----+----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+
  2 outs, RISP  716        896   744       201  31   2  36  284  136  28  170  16   0   0  11   0           .270  .394  .462  .856 
  Late & Close 1103       1509  1310       361  66   4  81  236  164  17  308  21   4  10  16  34           .276  .363  .518  .881 
  Tie Game     1429       2205  1876       567 112   5 133  358  280  15  404  30   7  12  26  47           .302  .399  .580  .979 
  Within 1 R   1648       3885  3324      1012 191  11 236  641  465  32  693  58  14  24  45  95           .304  .397  .582  .979 
  Within 2 R   1705       5108  4415      1319 238  14 294  827  581  40  927  66  15  31  59 120           .299  .386  .559  .945 
  Within 3 R   1724       5995  5197      1576 284  18 358 1006  661  47 1080  82  16  39  70 138           .303  .388  .571  .959 
  Within 4 R   1733       6596  5726      1741 318  22 397 1127  713  49 1206  90  16  51  77 153           .304  .387  .575  .962 
  Margin > 4 R  660       1193  1055       330  48   4  68  223  107  10  201  17   0  14  15  35           .313  .381  .559  .940 

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You and your fancy stats. I'll bet you didn't know that ARod has only a 1.011 OPS in extra innings. :P
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So you believe all players produce equally during "clutch" situations--however "clutch" is defined? That's ridiculous.

 

Why is it hard for you to accept that ARod--while a great player--may be worse than average in such situations?

 

no i don't believe all players produce equally during clutch situations. i think better hitters produce better in clutch situations than worse hitters.

 

i don't think arod is worse than average in clutch situations. i think every time he does fail (appx 65-70% of the time) it gets way overblown, and when he does succeed, it tends to be forgotten.

 

for what it's worth, here's arod's "clutch" splits. they're pretty close to what his career numbers are, which i think tends to be the case for most players.

 

 

Ok, that's fair enough. I'm assuming your chart consists of ARod's entire career. What's his Yankee-only stats? Playoff stats? I think that's relevant since he didn't receive the "unclutch" tag until playing for the Yankees.

 

Late and Close is the only category I'd really consider "clutch," but I also think 2 Outs, Men in scoring position stats have "clutch" merit. Coincidentally, ARod hits noticeably worse in both situations than in his career average.

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Ok, that's fair enough. I'm assuming your chart consists of ARod's entire career. What's his Yankee-only stats? Playoff stats? I think that's relevant since he didn't receive the "unclutch" tag until playing for the Yankees.

 

Late and Close is the only category I'd really consider "clutch," but I also think 2 Outs, Men in scoring position stats have "clutch" merit. Coincidentally, ARod hits noticeably worse in both situations than in his career average.

 

Arod's 2006 clutch stats:

 

 I Split         G   GS  PA  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+
  2 outs, RISP  80     109  80      25  1  0  4  33  27   5  24   2   0   0   1   0         .313  .495  .475  .970 
  Late & Close  90     119 104      29  4  0  7  20  12   0  29   1   0   2   1   2         .279  .353  .519  .872 
  Tie Game     108     180 150      34  2  0 10  30  26   1  43   3   0   1   1   8         .227  .350  .440  .790 
  Within 1 R   141     330 277      74 11  0 15  50  47   1  69   5   0   1   2  13         .267  .382  .469  .851 
  Within 2 R   151     451 380      99 15  1 19  68  65   3  94   5   0   1   5  20         .261  .375  .455  .830 
  Within 3 R   154     523 443     119 19  1 24  87  72   4 110   6   0   2   6  20         .269  .377  .479  .856 
  Within 4 R   154     562 475     132 21  1 28  99  77   5 120   7   0   3   6  22         .278  .384  .503  .887 
  Margin > 4 R  58     112  97      34  5  0  7  22  13   3  19   1   0   1   1   3         .351  .429  .619 1.048 

 

2005 clutch stats

 

 I Split         G   GS  PA  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+
  2 outs, RISP  79     105  86      26  3  0  5  38  17   4  26   2   0   0   0   0         .302  .429  .512  .941 
  Late & Close 101     131 113      32  7  0  5  15  17   1  30   1   0   0   1   1         .283  .382  .478  .860 
  Tie Game     126     174 143      48  8  0 15  37  27   1  39   3   0   1   2   2         .336  .448  .706 1.154 
  Within 1 R   148     333 276      91 16  0 25  65  46   4  70  10   0   1   3   6         .330  .441  .659 1.100 
  Within 2 R   156     452 374     118 19  0 28  80  66   6  90  11   0   1   3   7         .316  .431  .591 1.022 
  Within 3 R   160     533 448     143 21  0 36  96  71   6 110  12   0   2   5   7         .319  .424  .607 1.031 
  Within 4 R   161     601 509     160 22  1 41 110  75   6 126  14   0   3   5   8         .314  .414  .603 1.017 
  Margin > 4 R  58     114  96      34  7  0  7  20  16   2  13   2   0   0   0   2         .354  .456  .646 1.102 

 

2004 clutch stats

 

 I Split         G   GS  PA  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+
  2 outs, RISP  62      78  68      14  3  1  4  23   9   1  17   1   0   0   2   0         .206  .308  .456  .764 
  Late & Close  93     130 115      34  5  1  4  19  13   4  26   1   0   1   2   4         .296  .369  .461  .830 
  Tie Game     123     193 152      41  8  1  7  27  37   5  30   2   0   2   3   4         .270  .415  .474  .889 
  Within 1 R   149     356 297      89 18  2 17  52  51   6  60   4   0   4   4  12         .300  .404  .545  .949 
  Within 2 R   153     465 400     119 21  2 20  61  56   6  86   4   0   5   6  13         .298  .385  .510  .895 
  Within 3 R   154     551 471     136 23  2 26  77  68   6 100   7   0   5   7  17         .289  .383  .512  .895 
  Within 4 R   154     593 507     146 24  2 29  84  71   6 110   9   0   6   7  17         .288  .381  .515  .896 
  Margin > 4 R  62     105  94      26  0  0  7  22   9   0  21   1   0   1   5   5         .277  .343  .500  .843 

 

as far as postseason, here's his postseason stats:

 

 Year Round Tm  Opp WLser  G   AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO  BA    OBP   SLG  SB CS SH SF HBP
+------------------+-----+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+--+--+--+--+--+
1995 ALDS  SEA NYY   W     1   1   1   0  0  0  0   0   0   0  .000  .000  .000  0  0  0  0  0
     ALCS  SEA CLE   L     1   1   0   0  0  0  0   0   0   1  .000  .000  .000  0  0  0  0  0
1997 ALDS  SEA BAL   L     4  16   1   5  1  0  1   1   0   5  .313  .313  .563  0  0  0  0  0
2000 ALDS  SEA CHW   W     3  13   0   4  0  0  0   2   0   2  .308  .308  .308  0  1  1  0  0
     ALCS  SEA NYY   L     6  22   4   9  2  0  2   5   3   8  .409  .480  .773  1  0  0  0  0
2004 ALDS  NYY MIN   W     4  19   3   8  3  0  1   3   2   1  .421  .476  .737  2  1  0  0  0
     ALCS  NYY BOS   L     7  31   8   8  2  0  2   5   4   6  .258  .378  .516  0  0  0  0  2
2005 ALDS  NYY LAA   L     5  15   2   2  1  0  0   0   6   5  .133  .381  .200  1  1         
2006 ALDS  NYY DET   L     4  14   0   1  0  0  0   0   0   4  .071  .071  .071  0  0         
+------------------+-----+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+--+--+--+--+--+
 6 Lg Div Series    3-3   21  78   7  20  5  0  2   6   8  17  .256  .326  .397  3  3  1  0  0
 3 Lg Champ Series  0-3   14  54  12  17  4  0  4  10   7  15  .315  .413  .611  1  0  0  0  2
 9 Postseason Ser   3-6   35 132  19  37  9  0  6  16  15  32  .280  .362  .485  4  3  1  0  2
+------------------+-----+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+--+--+--+--+--+

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.900+ OPS with 2 outs and RISP the last two seasons.

 

.850+ OPS in close/late situations the last two seasons.

 

I would take this EVERY SINGLE FREAKING TIME.

 

I have absolutely no numbers at all to back this up, but it wouldn't surprise me if DLee 2005 is the only Cubs player of the last two years to approach either of the above figures.

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Ok, that's fair enough. I'm assuming your chart consists of ARod's entire career. What's his Yankee-only stats? Playoff stats? I think that's relevant since he didn't receive the "unclutch" tag until playing for the Yankees.

 

Late and Close is the only category I'd really consider "clutch," but I also think 2 Outs, Men in scoring position stats have "clutch" merit. Coincidentally, ARod hits noticeably worse in both situations than in his career average.

 

Arod's 2006 clutch stats:

 

 I Split         G   GS  PA  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+
  2 outs, RISP  80     109  80      25  1  0  4  33  27   5  24   2   0   0   1   0         .313  .495  .475  .970 
  Late & Close  90     119 104      29  4  0  7  20  12   0  29   1   0   2   1   2         .279  .353  .519  .872 
  Tie Game     108     180 150      34  2  0 10  30  26   1  43   3   0   1   1   8         .227  .350  .440  .790 
  Within 1 R   141     330 277      74 11  0 15  50  47   1  69   5   0   1   2  13         .267  .382  .469  .851 
  Within 2 R   151     451 380      99 15  1 19  68  65   3  94   5   0   1   5  20         .261  .375  .455  .830 
  Within 3 R   154     523 443     119 19  1 24  87  72   4 110   6   0   2   6  20         .269  .377  .479  .856 
  Within 4 R   154     562 475     132 21  1 28  99  77   5 120   7   0   3   6  22         .278  .384  .503  .887 
  Margin > 4 R  58     112  97      34  5  0  7  22  13   3  19   1   0   1   1   3         .351  .429  .619 1.048 

 

2005 clutch stats

 

 I Split         G   GS  PA  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+
  2 outs, RISP  79     105  86      26  3  0  5  38  17   4  26   2   0   0   0   0         .302  .429  .512  .941 
  Late & Close 101     131 113      32  7  0  5  15  17   1  30   1   0   0   1   1         .283  .382  .478  .860 
  Tie Game     126     174 143      48  8  0 15  37  27   1  39   3   0   1   2   2         .336  .448  .706 1.154 
  Within 1 R   148     333 276      91 16  0 25  65  46   4  70  10   0   1   3   6         .330  .441  .659 1.100 
  Within 2 R   156     452 374     118 19  0 28  80  66   6  90  11   0   1   3   7         .316  .431  .591 1.022 
  Within 3 R   160     533 448     143 21  0 36  96  71   6 110  12   0   2   5   7         .319  .424  .607 1.031 
  Within 4 R   161     601 509     160 22  1 41 110  75   6 126  14   0   3   5   8         .314  .414  .603 1.017 
  Margin > 4 R  58     114  96      34  7  0  7  20  16   2  13   2   0   0   0   2         .354  .456  .646 1.102 

 

2004 clutch stats

 

 I Split         G   GS  PA  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP  SH  SF ROE GDP  SB CS   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
+-+------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+
  2 outs, RISP  62      78  68      14  3  1  4  23   9   1  17   1   0   0   2   0         .206  .308  .456  .764 
  Late & Close  93     130 115      34  5  1  4  19  13   4  26   1   0   1   2   4         .296  .369  .461  .830 
  Tie Game     123     193 152      41  8  1  7  27  37   5  30   2   0   2   3   4         .270  .415  .474  .889 
  Within 1 R   149     356 297      89 18  2 17  52  51   6  60   4   0   4   4  12         .300  .404  .545  .949 
  Within 2 R   153     465 400     119 21  2 20  61  56   6  86   4   0   5   6  13         .298  .385  .510  .895 
  Within 3 R   154     551 471     136 23  2 26  77  68   6 100   7   0   5   7  17         .289  .383  .512  .895 
  Within 4 R   154     593 507     146 24  2 29  84  71   6 110   9   0   6   7  17         .288  .381  .515  .896 
  Margin > 4 R  62     105  94      26  0  0  7  22   9   0  21   1   0   1   5   5         .277  .343  .500  .843 

 

as far as postseason, here's his postseason stats:

 

 Year Round Tm  Opp WLser  G   AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO  BA    OBP   SLG  SB CS SH SF HBP
+------------------+-----+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+--+--+--+--+--+
1995 ALDS  SEA NYY   W     1   1   1   0  0  0  0   0   0   0  .000  .000  .000  0  0  0  0  0
     ALCS  SEA CLE   L     1   1   0   0  0  0  0   0   0   1  .000  .000  .000  0  0  0  0  0
1997 ALDS  SEA BAL   L     4  16   1   5  1  0  1   1   0   5  .313  .313  .563  0  0  0  0  0
2000 ALDS  SEA CHW   W     3  13   0   4  0  0  0   2   0   2  .308  .308  .308  0  1  1  0  0
     ALCS  SEA NYY   L     6  22   4   9  2  0  2   5   3   8  .409  .480  .773  1  0  0  0  0
2004 ALDS  NYY MIN   W     4  19   3   8  3  0  1   3   2   1  .421  .476  .737  2  1  0  0  0
     ALCS  NYY BOS   L     7  31   8   8  2  0  2   5   4   6  .258  .378  .516  0  0  0  0  2
2005 ALDS  NYY LAA   L     5  15   2   2  1  0  0   0   6   5  .133  .381  .200  1  1         
2006 ALDS  NYY DET   L     4  14   0   1  0  0  0   0   0   4  .071  .071  .071  0  0         
+------------------+-----+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+--+--+--+--+--+
 6 Lg Div Series    3-3   21  78   7  20  5  0  2   6   8  17  .256  .326  .397  3  3  1  0  0
 3 Lg Champ Series  0-3   14  54  12  17  4  0  4  10   7  15  .315  .413  .611  1  0  0  0  2
 9 Postseason Ser   3-6   35 132  19  37  9  0  6  16  15  32  .280  .362  .485  4  3  1  0  2
+------------------+-----+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+--+--+--+--+--+

 

Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

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Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

it's easy to find the stats. just go to baseball-reference.com and you'll get more baseball information than you'll ever need. it's an amazing site.

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Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

His "unclutchness" is also overblown because of his salary and where he plays.

 

"He makes so much money he should hit 2 home runs every time he bats!"

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Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

it's easy to find the stats. just go to baseball-reference.com and you'll get more baseball information than you'll ever need. it's an amazing site.

 

Thanks for sharing the tip. I frequent that site fairly regularly, but never delve too deep.

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Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

I'll do you one better.

 

Derek Jeter's regular season career batting: .317/.388/.463/.851

Derek Jeter's postseason career batting:.314/.384/.479/.863

Posted
Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

I'll do you one better.

 

Derek Jeter's regular season career batting: .317/.388/.463/.851

Derek Jeter's postseason career batting:.314/.384/.479/.863

 

Those numbers would have been better, but he shared some of his clutch with ARod cuz he was tired of being so much more awesome than everyone who ever lived.

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Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

I'll do you one better.

 

Derek Jeter's regular season career batting: .317/.388/.463/.851

Derek Jeter's postseason career batting:.314/.384/.479/.863

 

Those numbers would have been better, but he shared some of his clutch with ARod cuz he was tired of being so much more awesome than everyone who ever lived.

 

That's pretty funny.

 

I'm a Jeter fan, we were in Kalamazoo at the same time. I taught his sister Sharlee when he was a senior in HS, so I'm a little biased.

 

Anyway, I think he's pretty damn good. I also think some people in the media make too much out of "Captian intangible" when what he's done is pretty tangible. But I cannot understand why he takes so much abuse on this site. He's a lock for the HOF based on his numbers alone.

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Arod just hit a 2-run homer in the 1st inning of today's game. Yankee fans love him now.
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Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

I'll do you one better.

 

Derek Jeter's regular season career batting: .317/.388/.463/.851

Derek Jeter's postseason career batting:.314/.384/.479/.863

 

Those numbers would have been better, but he shared some of his clutch with ARod cuz he was tired of being so much more awesome than everyone who ever lived.

 

That's pretty funny.

 

I'm a Jeter fan, we were in Kalamazoo at the same time. I taught his sister Sharlee when he was a senior in HS, so I'm a little biased.

 

Anyway, I think he's pretty damn good. I also think some people in the media make too much out of "Captian intangible" when what he's done is pretty tangible. But I cannot understand why he takes so much abuse on this site. He's a lock for the HOF based on his numbers alone.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think Jeter is a very good player and he will make the HOF. The thing that ticks me (and I assume a lot of people) off is the perception that he is a god that can do no wrong when it comes to the postseason when in reality, his postseason stats are virtually identical to his regular season stats. He's the golden boy of MLB and the media makes him out to be better than he is.

Posted
Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

I'll do you one better.

 

Derek Jeter's regular season career batting: .317/.388/.463/.851

Derek Jeter's postseason career batting:.314/.384/.479/.863

 

Those numbers would have been better, but he shared some of his clutch with ARod cuz he was tired of being so much more awesome than everyone who ever lived.

 

That's pretty funny.

 

I'm a Jeter fan, we were in Kalamazoo at the same time. I taught his sister Sharlee when he was a senior in HS, so I'm a little biased.

 

Anyway, I think he's pretty damn good. I also think some people in the media make too much out of "Captian intangible" when what he's done is pretty tangible. But I cannot understand why he takes so much abuse on this site. He's a lock for the HOF based on his numbers alone.

 

I don't think it's abuse, it's more mockery of ESPN's love for him. We all know how terrific Jeter is, but they make him out to seem like more than a mere mortal because he dove into the seats and made a nifty backhand toss to nail the sucky Giambi at the plate (yes, I know there's more). His postseason numbers aren't much different than his regular season stats, yet ESPN's coverage always makes it seem like he's always batting 900.

Posted

My only problem with Jeter is how people act like he's good defensively, while for most of his career (before A-rod came and HELPED HIM OUT) he was way below average, but very flashy.

 

Like Jim Edmonds.

Posted
Awesome work finding those stats. After looking through the two categories I believe most define "clutch," I'd agree with your assessment that ARod's "unclutch" hitting is overblown because outside of the 2005 and 2006 playoffs, he hasn't been too far below his career average numbers.

 

I'll do you one better.

 

Derek Jeter's regular season career batting: .317/.388/.463/.851

Derek Jeter's postseason career batting:.314/.384/.479/.863

 

Those numbers would have been better, but he shared some of his clutch with ARod cuz he was tired of being so much more awesome than everyone who ever lived.

 

That's pretty funny.

 

I'm a Jeter fan, we were in Kalamazoo at the same time. I taught his sister Sharlee when he was a senior in HS, so I'm a little biased.

 

Anyway, I think he's pretty damn good. I also think some people in the media make too much out of "Captian intangible" when what he's done is pretty tangible. But I cannot understand why he takes so much abuse on this site. He's a lock for the HOF based on his numbers alone.

 

I don't think it's abuse, it's more mockery of ESPN's love for him. We all know how terrific Jeter is, but they make him out to seem like more than a mere mortal because he dove into the seats and made a nifty backhand toss to nail the sucky Giambi at the plate (yes, I know there's more). His postseason numbers aren't much different than his regular season stats, yet ESPN's coverage always makes it seem like he's always batting 900.

I agree.
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This sucks.

 

Its GREAT for my fantasy team. I can't help but feel a little sorry for the guy, although looking at his bank book probably dissolves all that sympathy.

 

I watch A-rod like I watch Albert Pujols, in amazement of their fantastic baseball abillity. They both are once (twice?) in a generation players.

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