Lidge Blows First Save Op

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

With a 2-1 lead in the top of the ninth, Lidge gives up a HR to Nady.

 

Now tied 2-2.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bay homers off of Qualls and Buccos lead 4-2.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

DJ Qualls?

[tkenm356]

That makes me feel stupid for drafting Lidge in my most recent draft. I still have faith he can put it back together (when not playing the Cubs, of course :wink: ). The guy can still strike out batters like nobodies business, he's just gotta stop serving up those gopher balls

[RichHillIsABeast]

What the heck happened to Lidge? He used to be able to dominate with just his slider.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Lidge has flame-out closer syndrome. See Rocker, John

[CubinNY]

What the heck happened to Lidge? He used to be able to dominate with just his slider.

Too many pitches per inning and too many two inning saves on multiple days and he wasn't that good to begin with.

[wolf stansson]

I don't buy the Albert Pujols ruined him argument.

 

I think Garner overused him horribly in '04 and '05 and this is the consequence.

[Brian]

I don't buy the Albert Pujols ruined him argument.

 

Giving up a bomb to Pujols pitchers can live with, giving up a home run to Scott Podsednik they cannot.

[wolf stansson]

I don't buy the Albert Pujols ruined him argument.

 

Giving up a bomb to Pujols pitchers can live with, giving up a home run to Scott Podsednik they cannot.

I would've called it a career after that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What the heck happened to Lidge? He used to be able to dominate with just his slider.

Too many pitches per inning and too many two inning saves on multiple days and he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

How do you figure?

[abuck1220]

he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

what?

 

era+ from '03-'05

123

227 (227???!!!!)

181

[CubinNY]

What the heck happened to Lidge? He used to be able to dominate with just his slider.

Too many pitches per inning and too many two inning saves on multiple days and he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

How do you figure?

I figure that becuase most releif pitchers are failed starters, as is Lidge.

[abuck1220]

What the heck happened to Lidge? He used to be able to dominate with just his slider.

Too many pitches per inning and too many two inning saves on multiple days and he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

How do you figure?

I figure that becuase most releif pitchers are failed starters, as is Lidge.

 

that makes no sense.

[CubinNY]

he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

what?

 

era+ from '03-'05

123

227 (227???!!!!)

181

 

That's a pretty poor stat to judge a reliever. Even so, he had three good years as a "closer" but what does that mean?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

what?

 

era+ from '03-'05

123

227 (227???!!!!)

181

 

That's a pretty poor stat to judge a reliever. Even so, he had three good years as a "closer" but what does that mean?

 

It means he pitched unbelievably for 250 innings. That's very, very impressive.

[abuck1220]

he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

what?

 

era+ from '03-'05

123

227 (227???!!!!)

181

 

That's a pretty poor stat to judge a reliever. Even so, he had three good years as a "closer" but what does that mean?

 

it means he was unbelievably awesome for three years, i guess.

 

what's your point?

[Guest]

What the heck happened to Lidge? He used to be able to dominate with just his slider.

Too many pitches per inning and too many two inning saves on multiple days and he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

How do you figure?

I figure that becuase most releif pitchers are failed starters, as is Lidge.

Lidge was converted to relief in the minor leagues because he couldn't stay healthy. He was pretty effective when he was on the mound, though. He certainly wasn't a "failed starter"

[nilodnayr]

Especially sweet since I ripped Rosenbloom a new pie-hole for picking the Astros to win the central because of their "rotation-slash-closer that he trusts more than any other team".

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2007/04/round_up_the_us.html#comments

 

I'm not the type of person to post on those boards, but reading that just infuriated me.

[TB_11]

he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

what?

 

era+ from '03-'05

123

227 (227???!!!!)

181

 

That's a pretty poor stat to judge a reliever. Even so, he had three good years as a "closer" but what does that mean?

 

I think it means that he had established himself as a very good relief pitcher and was expected to continue his high performance. His struggles over the past year +2 days have been surprising.

[Flames24Rulz]

His stuff was probably the filthiest in all of baseball, before last year.

 

Not really sure how anyone can say that he was never good to begin with.

[Jake]

Hey!

 

Some props to Nady for hitting it, please.

 

Oh, we're over .500. Can't remember the last time we were there!

[RichHillIsABeast]

Hey!

 

Some props to Nady for hitting it, please.

 

Oh, we're over .500. Can't remember the last time we were there!

 

Neither can we... :lol:

[KyHen]

he wasn't that good to begin with.

 

what?

 

era+ from '03-'05

123

227 (227???!!!!)

181

 

227? That's it? Papelbon had an ERA+ of 500 last year.

 

:o

[macuser2]

Hey!

 

Some props to Nady for hitting it, please.

 

Oh, we're over .500. Can't remember the last time we were there!

 

Neither can we... :lol:

 

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