4/2 CUBS (Zambrano) @ Reds (Harang) 1:10CT WGN/ESPN2/XM185

[CubColtPacer]

Barring anything unforseen, the Reds lineup will be:

 

Ryan Freel CF

Adam Dunn LF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Ken Griffey Junior RF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Scott Hatteberg 1B

Alex Gonzalez SS

David Ross C

Aaron Harang P

 

My God it's good to see Griffey out of CF.

Any questions about the Reds, just ask.

 

Good luck.

 

Can we have Adam Dunn? Please.

 

As good as he is, we don't have a spot for him. We have Lee where he should be playing, 1B, and if you thought our outfield defense was bad now, adding Dunn would make it worse. He's about equivalent to putting a glove on a statue out there.

 

LOL-I wouldn't say he's quite that bad, but to think that the team could have a lineup of Dunn/Soriano/Floyd on some days in the outfield would possibly be some of the worst OF defense ever recorded.

 

Let's go Cubs-just a nice solid win would be wonderful.

[Omar]

Fred, all that data is compiled from last year, correct? At some point this year you will switch to just the #'s for this year, right?

 

You bet

 

Yeah.. not a year we wanna look back on.. especially in terms of numbers.

[reds44]

Barring anything unforseen, the Reds lineup will be:

 

Ryan Freel CF

Adam Dunn LF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Ken Griffey Junior RF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Scott Hatteberg 1B

Alex Gonzalez SS

David Ross C

Aaron Harang P

 

My God it's good to see Griffey out of CF.

Any questions about the Reds, just ask.

 

Good luck.

 

Can we have Adam Dunn? Please.

 

As good as he is, we don't have a spot for him. We have Lee where he should be playing, 1B, and if you thought our outfield defense was bad now, adding Dunn would make it worse. He's about equivalent to putting a glove on a statue out there.

LOL that's a joke right? You don't have room for 40 homers, 100 RBIs, and high OBP?

[Schwarber Fan]

They're singing GO CUBS GO, GO CUBS GO, HEY CHICAGO WHAT DO YA SAY, THE CUBS ARE GONNA WIN TODAY!!

[UMFan83]

Barring anything unforseen, the Reds lineup will be:

 

Ryan Freel CF

Adam Dunn LF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Ken Griffey Junior RF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Scott Hatteberg 1B

Alex Gonzalez SS

David Ross C

Aaron Harang P

 

My God it's good to see Griffey out of CF.

Any questions about the Reds, just ask.

 

Good luck.

 

Can we have Adam Dunn? Please.

 

As good as he is, we don't have a spot for him. We have Lee where he should be playing, 1B, and if you thought our outfield defense was bad now, adding Dunn would make it worse. He's about equivalent to putting a glove on a statue out there.

LOL that's a joke right? You don't have room for 40 homers, 100 RBIs, and high OBP?

 

I agree completely that we could use Dunn, but at some point you have to consider defense at the expense of more offense..

[reds44]

Barring anything unforseen, the Reds lineup will be:

 

Ryan Freel CF

Adam Dunn LF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Ken Griffey Junior RF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Scott Hatteberg 1B

Alex Gonzalez SS

David Ross C

Aaron Harang P

 

My God it's good to see Griffey out of CF.

Any questions about the Reds, just ask.

 

Good luck.

 

Can we have Adam Dunn? Please.

 

As good as he is, we don't have a spot for him. We have Lee where he should be playing, 1B, and if you thought our outfield defense was bad now, adding Dunn would make it worse. He's about equivalent to putting a glove on a statue out there.

LOL that's a joke right? You don't have room for 40 homers, 100 RBIs, and high OBP?

 

I agree completely that we could use Dunn, but at some point you have to consider defense at the expense of more offense..

As somebody who watches every game, his D is bad, but it's nowhere near bad enough to offset his offense.

[UMFan83]

Barring anything unforseen, the Reds lineup will be:

 

Ryan Freel CF

Adam Dunn LF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Ken Griffey Junior RF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Scott Hatteberg 1B

Alex Gonzalez SS

David Ross C

Aaron Harang P

 

My God it's good to see Griffey out of CF.

Any questions about the Reds, just ask.

 

Good luck.

 

Can we have Adam Dunn? Please.

 

As good as he is, we don't have a spot for him. We have Lee where he should be playing, 1B, and if you thought our outfield defense was bad now, adding Dunn would make it worse. He's about equivalent to putting a glove on a statue out there.

LOL that's a joke right? You don't have room for 40 homers, 100 RBIs, and high OBP?

 

I agree completely that we could use Dunn, but at some point you have to consider defense at the expense of more offense..

As somebody who watches every game, his D is bad, but it's nowhere near bad enough to offset his offense.

 

It was on opening day last year :)

[reds44]

Yeah, it was. That entire game was awful.

[CubColtPacer]

Barring anything unforseen, the Reds lineup will be:

 

Ryan Freel CF

Adam Dunn LF

Brandon Phillips 2B

Ken Griffey Junior RF

Edwin Encarnacion 3B

Scott Hatteberg 1B

Alex Gonzalez SS

David Ross C

Aaron Harang P

 

My God it's good to see Griffey out of CF.

Any questions about the Reds, just ask.

 

Good luck.

 

Can we have Adam Dunn? Please.

 

As good as he is, we don't have a spot for him. We have Lee where he should be playing, 1B, and if you thought our outfield defense was bad now, adding Dunn would make it worse. He's about equivalent to putting a glove on a statue out there.

LOL that's a joke right? You don't have room for 40 homers, 100 RBIs, and high OBP?

 

I agree completely that we could use Dunn, but at some point you have to consider defense at the expense of more offense..

As somebody who watches every game, his D is bad, but it's nowhere near bad enough to offset his offense.

 

You're right-but it might be bad enough for him to not be an upgrade to Murton, especially if one believes that Murton's power is developing. I would agree-Dunn is an asset to a team, but he doesn't fit anywhere on the Cubs right now.

[reds44]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

[Productive Outs]

I agree completely that we could use Dunn, but at some point you have to consider defense at the expense of more offense..

 

never. especially for dunn.

[reds44]

Dunn's career line:

.245/.380/.513

 

Posted over 40 homers the last 3 years, and over 100 RBIs 2 of the last 3 years. He's played in 160 or more games the last 3 years, so you know he is going to be out there everyday. He's also walked over 100 times the last 3 years.

 

Dunn rolls out of bed and hits 40 homers and walks 100 times. The fact that he came in, in the best shape of his life this year and has been working his butt off on defense and putting the ball in play more is a scary thought.

 

Don't compare him and Murton.

Edited April 1, 2007 by reds44

[A New Era]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

We have enough high paid high calibur players. Now we just need to compliment them with the best of the best of our young guys (whom which work out). Out of Murton, CPatt, Pie, Cedeno, ect. .

[reds44]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

We have enough high paid high calibur players. Now we just need to compliment them with the best of the best of our young guys (whom which work out). Out of Murton, CPatt, Pie, Cedeno, ect. .

You never have enough high caliber players.

[CubColtPacer]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

I say that Dunn would not be an upgrade over Murton because of the following reasons:

1) Dunn is scheduled to make 7-8 million more than Murton this year

2) He will be a free agent after this year while Murton still has a few years under club control

3) Murton is about 2 years younger, and has a better ability to improve upon his major league numbers than Dunn does at the moment.

 

Is Dunn the better player at the moment? Certainly-if you take salaries and everything else out of the equation, I'd take Dunn for 2007 only every single time. Murton I believe is the better value though.

[Roast]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

We have enough high paid high calibur players. Now we just need to compliment them with the best of the best of our young guys (whom which work out). Out of Murton, CPatt, Pie, Cedeno, ect. .

 

 

I think that boat has sailed...

[reds44]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

I say that Dunn would not be an upgrade over Murton because of the following reasons:

1) Dunn is scheduled to make 7-8 million more than Murton this year

2) He will be a free agent after this year while Murton still has a few years under club control

3) Murton is about 2 years younger, and has a better ability to improve upon his major league numbers than Dunn does at the moment.

 

Is Dunn the better player at the moment? Certainly-if you take salaries and everything else out of the equation, I'd take Dunn for 2007 only every single time. Murton I believe is the better value though.

You're the Cubs, money doesn't matter.

 

Dunn's not a free agent after this year, he's a free agent after next year.

 

Murton's never going to put up 40/100.

 

Murton's not even going to play everyday for the Cubs. I think the Cubs would rather have Dunn too.

[A New Era]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

We have enough high paid high calibur players. Now we just need to compliment them with the best of the best of our young guys (whom which work out). Out of Murton, CPatt, Pie, Cedeno, ect. .

You never have enough high caliber players.

 

You are right. But I said HIGH PAID high calibur players. You can only afford so many of those.

 

Lee, Ramirez, and Soriano makes a nice cornerstone 1-2-3 punch. If we were to spend any kind of money, it should be on a great pitcher before adding yet another big slugger to the team.

[A New Era]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

We have enough high paid high calibur players. Now we just need to compliment them with the best of the best of our young guys (whom which work out). Out of Murton, CPatt, Pie, Cedeno, ect. .

 

 

I think that boat has sailed...

 

Meant Epatt ofcourse.

[Chris]

Is it really fair to compare Dunn/Murton at this point? I'm pretty sure that Dunn has a little more MLB experience.

[Chris]

Cubs: Eleventybillion

 

Reds: -2

[reds44]

Is it really fair to compare Dunn/Murton at this point? I'm pretty sure that Dunn has a little more MLB experience.

Well

 

Dunn did go .262/.371/.578 with 19 homers and 44 RBIs in his first ever year in the bigs (66 games).

[Omar]

I jokingly asked "Can we have Adam Dunn?" because he said "Any questions about the Reds, just ask." and look what I've created...

 

#-o

 

Now I know how god feels.

[CubColtPacer]

No, it's not.

 

Murton isn't exactly a gold glover out there either.

 

If you don't think Dunn is an upgrade over Murton, you need to take those blue glasses off. I really like Murton, but that's a big reach.

 

I say that Dunn would not be an upgrade over Murton because of the following reasons:

1) Dunn is scheduled to make 7-8 million more than Murton this year

2) He will be a free agent after this year while Murton still has a few years under club control

3) Murton is about 2 years younger, and has a better ability to improve upon his major league numbers than Dunn does at the moment.

 

Is Dunn the better player at the moment? Certainly-if you take salaries and everything else out of the equation, I'd take Dunn for 2007 only every single time. Murton I believe is the better value though.

You're the Cubs, money doesn't matter.

 

Dunn's not a free agent after this year, he's a free agent after next year.

 

Murton's never going to put up 40/100.

 

Murton's not even going to play everyday for the Cubs. I think the Cubs would rather have Dunn too.

 

Unfortunately for the Cubs fans, money does matter-the Cubs are on a budget, and the payroll for the next couple years does not look great. They are going to have a hard time squeezing any impact players under the payroll as it is-if they are going to squeeze another high paid impact player, it needs to be at a position where they can get a huge upgrade, whichever one fails most at either SP, SS, or 2B. Possibly upgrading LF is not a priority.

 

Dunn has a club option for next year isn't it at like 12 million?

 

Murton will never be a 40 homer guy, but he could be a 20 homer 35 double 3-4 triple guy, not to mention that his SLG percentage will be given a boost because his AVG is so much higher than Dunn's even with similar OBP's.

 

I'm not sure on the last point-Murton doesn't fit how the club likes to have power out of the corner outfield, but Dunn doesn't really fit the club's philosophy either. I couldn't tell you on the last one.

 

The biggest point though is-if the Cubs are going to add another high priced player when they can't add very many without getting into a serious budget crunch, it better be a big upgrade-Dunn won't give the team enough of an upgrade to be worth his salary and losing the chance to upgrade other positions that need it worse.

[Chris]

Is it really fair to compare Dunn/Murton at this point? I'm pretty sure that Dunn has a little more MLB experience.

Well

 

Dunn did go .262/.371/.578 with 19 homers and 44 RBIs in his first ever year in the bigs (66 games).

 

And your point is?