The Bears Offseason Thread

[CubColtPacer]

Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange.

 

Just to nitpick this one part, I'm not sure how shotgun remedies this. The shotgun snap is something that would be a far more difficult snap to handle.

 

It'd be like someone having trouble driving an automatic, so we put them in a stick shift instead...

 

I'm speaking strictly as far as handling the snap here...

 

Normally, yes. However, from what I saw of Grossman (about 2/3 of the games last year) he became increasingly concerned about getting out from under the center very quickly. That helped cause some of the QB/center exchange problems by him pulling out a little too early, as well as some of the times where he took a couple steps back and then tripped like he did a couple times in the Super Bowl. I have to wonder if the shotgun, where he can worry about just catching the ball and not having to worry about moving his feet as much will help lessen those situations.

[Chocolate Milk]

Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange.

 

Just to nitpick this one part, I'm not sure how shotgun remedies this. The shotgun snap is something that would be a far more difficult snap to handle.

 

It'd be like someone having trouble driving an automatic, so we put them in a stick shift instead...

 

I'm speaking strictly as far as handling the snap here...

 

I'm not really sure that's true. Is it easier to catch a ball tossed to you or to complete a Center/QB exchange? To be honest, I'm not sure. Most of his fumbles in the QB/Center exchange seem to be timing issues and not "grasping the ball" issues. He either pulls away too early, or the ball hits has hands and he closes them late. I don't think shotgun snaps would be hard to handle unless they are bad.

 

Admittidly, that was kind of a reach.

[Banedon]

Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange.

 

Just to nitpick this one part, I'm not sure how shotgun remedies this. The shotgun snap is something that would be a far more difficult snap to handle.

 

It'd be like someone having trouble driving an automatic, so we put them in a stick shift instead...

 

I'm speaking strictly as far as handling the snap here...

 

I'm not really sure that's true. Is it easier to catch a ball tossed to you or to complete a Center/QB exchange? To be honest, I'm not sure. Most of his fumbles in the QB/Center exchange seem to be timing issues and not "grasping the ball" issues. He either pulls away too early, or the ball hits has hands and he closes them late. I don't think shotgun snaps would be hard to handle unless they are bad.

 

Admittidly, that was kind of a reach.

 

You wouldn't think taking a snap from center, a form of a handoff, would be difficult either, but for the sake of argument, maybe catching it is easier. The problem is that if Rex is too worried about the pass rush, or where his receivers are, and he looks up too early....

 

I'm not dead-set against the shotgun. I just don't think it's going to have much impact.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'm not dead-set against the shotgun. I just don't think it's going to have much impact.

 

I doubt it will turn Grossman into Manning, but used effectively, I think it could help him out for reasons I mentioned above.

[CubColtPacer]

Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange.

 

Just to nitpick this one part, I'm not sure how shotgun remedies this. The shotgun snap is something that would be a far more difficult snap to handle.

 

It'd be like someone having trouble driving an automatic, so we put them in a stick shift instead...

 

I'm speaking strictly as far as handling the snap here...

 

I'm not really sure that's true. Is it easier to catch a ball tossed to you or to complete a Center/QB exchange? To be honest, I'm not sure. Most of his fumbles in the QB/Center exchange seem to be timing issues and not "grasping the ball" issues. He either pulls away too early, or the ball hits has hands and he closes them late. I don't think shotgun snaps would be hard to handle unless they are bad.

 

Admittidly, that was kind of a reach.

 

You wouldn't think taking a snap from center, a form of a handoff, would be difficult either, but for the sake of argument, maybe catching it is easier. The problem is that if Rex is too worried about the pass rush, or where his receivers are, and he looks up too early....

 

I'm not dead-set against the shotgun. I just don't think it's going to have much impact.

 

I think used effectively the shotgun can help Grossman have less negative plays (sacks and fumbles especially). It's not going to have much of an impact at all on making positive plays, except for those 3rd and 4-6 yards, which isn't enough to really say that it's making an impact that way.

[Soul]

Also, Rex seems to have some trouble with the QB/Center exchange.

 

Just to nitpick this one part, I'm not sure how shotgun remedies this. The shotgun snap is something that would be a far more difficult snap to handle.

 

It'd be like someone having trouble driving an automatic, so we put them in a stick shift instead...

 

I'm speaking strictly as far as handling the snap here...

 

I'm not really sure that's true. Is it easier to catch a ball tossed to you or to complete a Center/QB exchange? To be honest, I'm not sure. Most of his fumbles in the QB/Center exchange seem to be timing issues and not "grasping the ball" issues. He either pulls away too early, or the ball hits has hands and he closes them late. I don't think shotgun snaps would be hard to handle unless they are bad.

 

Admittidly, that was kind of a reach.

 

You wouldn't think taking a snap from center, a form of a handoff, would be difficult either, but for the sake of argument, maybe catching it is easier. The problem is that if Rex is too worried about the pass rush, or where his receivers are, and he looks up too early....

 

I'm not dead-set against the shotgun. I just don't think it's going to have much impact.

 

I think used effectively the shotgun can help Grossman have less negative plays (sacks and fumbles especially). It's not going to have much of an impact at all on making positive plays, except for those 3rd and 4-6 yards, which isn't enough to really say that it's making an impact that way.

 

I also think it's important to point out that, in all likelihood, even if Turner does introduce more shotgun it would still be on a fairly limited basis compared to some other teams like Indy (for example).

 

It might have some value just as a different offensive set, apart from any specific QB advantages. I'm all for mixing things up more, provided it can be done well and without leaving us exposed to more turnovers/mistakes.

[Banedon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, and admittedly I might be, but won't it actually be harder to find receivers with the shotgun? Doesn't the shotgun take away a large part of the run threat?

[CubColtPacer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, and admittedly I might be, but won't it actually be harder to find receivers with the shotgun? Doesn't the shotgun take away a large part of the run threat?

 

It depends on the down and distance. On plays where the run can be considered a big threat, it probably is harder to find receivers with the shotgun because it does take away many running plays.

 

My guess is the Bears will only use the shotgun on 2nd and long or 3rd and long, where the run threat is mostly absent anyway. When that happens, it is much easier to find receivers from the shotgun, and the Bears could still run an effective draw play with their 3rd down back out of the shotgun.

[Soul]

Correct me if I'm wrong, and admittedly I might be, but won't it actually be harder to find receivers with the shotgun? Doesn't the shotgun take away a large part of the run threat?

 

It depends on the down and distance. On plays where the run can be considered a big threat, it probably is harder to find receivers with the shotgun because it does take away many running plays.

 

My guess is the Bears will only use the shotgun on 2nd and long or 3rd and long, where the run threat is mostly absent anyway. When that happens, it is much easier to find receivers from the shotgun, and the Bears could still run an effective draw play with their 3rd down back out of the shotgun.

 

And ultimately the line still needs to block, everyone still needs to do their job. I think we all recognize that.

 

What I was hoping to gain was some marginal benefit, maybe a little boost in completion percentage, a few less sacks. Not sure if it will really help at all. If it's used as a crutch, then it's probably because there are other problems anyway and we just aren't getting the job done.

 

Still gotta put a good team out there. Still gotta win your matchups.

[Chocolate Milk]

Draft this weekend.

 

Kiper has the Beloved taking USC WR Steve Smith in the first.

Gosslein has Da Bears taking Miami TE Greg Olsen.

[Banedon]

Draft this weekend.

 

Kiper has the Beloved taking USC WR Steve Smith in the first.

Gosslein has Da Bears taking Miami TE Greg Olsen.

 

Don Banks has the Bears with Dwayne Jarrett.

[Chocolate Milk]

Draft this weekend.

 

Kiper has the Beloved taking USC WR Steve Smith in the first.

Gosslein has Da Bears taking Miami TE Greg Olsen.

 

Don Banks has the Bears with Dwayne Jarrett.

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind that. Moose is old and a young big possesion type receiver could be a welcome addition.

[Banedon]

Draft this weekend.

 

Kiper has the Beloved taking USC WR Steve Smith in the first.

Gosslein has Da Bears taking Miami TE Greg Olsen.

 

Don Banks has the Bears with Dwayne Jarrett.

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind that. Moose is old and a young big possesion type receiver could be a welcome addition.

 

I will be surprised if the Bears take an offensive player with that first pick though.

[Chocolate Milk]

Draft this weekend.

 

Kiper has the Beloved taking USC WR Steve Smith in the first.

Gosslein has Da Bears taking Miami TE Greg Olsen.

 

Don Banks has the Bears with Dwayne Jarrett.

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind that. Moose is old and a young big possesion type receiver could be a welcome addition.

 

I will be surprised if the Bears take an offensive player with that first pick though.

 

Me too. I think someone would have to fall in their laps. If Olsen is there at 31, I think they'd take a good look at him. He'd be a good value there. I think he gets taken earlier though.

 

I have no idea who the Bears are going to pick. None.

[Soul]

Draft this weekend.

 

Kiper has the Beloved taking USC WR Steve Smith in the first.

Gosslein has Da Bears taking Miami TE Greg Olsen.

 

Don Banks has the Bears with Dwayne Jarrett.

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind that. Moose is old and a young big possesion type receiver could be a welcome addition.

 

I will be surprised if the Bears take an offensive player with that first pick though.

 

They've gone offense in the 1st round before. It's TE they shy away from.

 

I have no idea what Angelo is going to do. @ 31, it's not like he's getting a blue chip, so I hope he treats it like a mid-round pick because he does much better when he looks for talent & value beyond the beaten path.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

[rawaction]

I think Smith will be there at #37. I think they trade out of the first and get two 2nd's or a 2nd and 3rd.

 

Jarrett or Smith would work for me. I see Jarrett as being a lot like Moose....when he was good. I think Smith is gonna be a star though.

[Banedon]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

 

Ugh...you just reminded me how interminably long the draft is.

[CubColtPacer]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

 

Ugh...you just reminded me how interminably long the draft is.

 

Yup-expect to wait at least 4 1/2, maybe 5 or more hours for your first pick. A couple of years ago the Colts had something like pick 28-they traded it when it came time for their pick for like pick 36, then when it came time for their pick again they traded it for pick 44. By the time pick 44 came (like 7 1/2 hours-8 hours into the draft) even though I liked the trades, I was screaming for them to pick somebody-just anybody at all considering I had been watching for that long!

[Banedon]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

 

Ugh...you just reminded me how interminably long the draft is.

 

Yup-expect to wait at least 4 1/2, maybe 5 or more hours for your first pick. A couple of years ago the Colts had something like pick 28-they traded it when it came time for their pick for like pick 36, then when it came time for their pick again they traded it for pick 44. By the time pick 44 came (like 7 1/2 hours-8 hours into the draft) even though I liked the trades, I was screaming for them to pick somebody-just anybody at all considering I had been watching for that long!

 

I'll watch maybe the first 8 picks or so...then I'll give up and check back on the net later...

[BigSlick]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

 

Last year pissed me off because of the late trade down that took forever before our first pick...and then it was Danieal Manning and WHO WAS HE ?

[Soul]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

 

Last year pissed me off because of the late trade down that took forever before our first pick...and then it was Danieal Manning and WHO WAS HE ?

 

Many are still waiting for the answer to that question, interestingly enough.

[BigSlick]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

 

Last year pissed me off because of the late trade down that took forever before our first pick...and then it was Danieal Manning and WHO WAS HE ?

 

Many are still waiting for the answer to that question, interestingly enough.

 

A back up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Butterscup1679666578]

I'll be shocked if Angelo doesn't move the 31 for a couple of later picks.

 

I completely forgot the draft was this weekend, I'm excited.

 

It's weird though with the Bears picking so late. Usually I'm used to them picking within the first hour, not by the 3rd hour. :lol:

 

Last year pissed me off because of the late trade down that took forever before our first pick...and then it was Danieal Manning and WHO WAS HE ?

 

Same here. I wanted Marcedes Lewis SO bad, and when it came up that the Bears traded their pick, I yelled so loud that da bears heard me from his room down the hall. Then the Jags took Lewis the very next pick and I was even more pissed.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think Smith will be there at #37. I think they trade out of the first and get two 2nd's or a 2nd and 3rd.

 

Jarrett or Smith would work for me. I see Jarrett as being a lot like Moose....when he was good. I think Smith is gonna be a star though.

 

Agreed on Smith.