Super Bowl XLI: Bears vs. Colts, Sun 2/4, 5:30 pm CT

[Soul]

Ugh, when I think deeply about this match up I get more and more depressed.

 

I really see the beginning playing out similarly to the New Orleans game. We get some breaks and we don't capitalize fully on their mistakes. Once they get their offense back on its feet they'll steamroll up and down the field and win on a last second field goal or something.

 

Lame.

 

WTF?

 

You're BigSlick. You aren't supposed to get all negative on us now.

[Soul]

You know, I'm tired of the "lack of respect the Bears seem to get. People thought Seattle would beat the Bears. Then people thought the "America's Darlin" would whoop the Bears. And now people believe the Bears have no shot at beating the Colts. It's so frustrating.

 

I mean if you compare the Saints and the Colts offensively:

 

Brees .v. Manning are a wash in 2006. Manning was the TOP QB, and Brees was the 3rd best QB in 2006. QBs is a wash.

 

Rhodes(38th)/Addai (18th) .v. Bush/McCallister(20th): Bush wasn't ranked in the Top 40. McCallister was 18th, Rhodes and Addai were 38th and 18th best RBs in the league. So RBs, was basically wash.

 

Harrison(2nd)/Wayne(3rd) .v. Colston(19th)/Henderson(NR). Admittedly, the Colts have the upper hand here, even with Bush and his sold numbers catching the ball.

 

The Saints were the TOP yard gaining team in football, whereas the Colts were 3rd. So, what happen to the Saints? People want to say the Colts are "unstoppable" and are "destined" to win the title, seeing as Manning got the "monkey off his back", but considering us Bears have heard this tuned before, I started to believe, the Bears are GOING TO WIN the Super Bowl.

 

Besides, what is working on behalf of the Bears, is that Dr. Z predicts the Colts are going to win 34-24.

 

So, I'm thinking the Bears will do the unthinkable, and shut down Peyton Manning. I am going to say it...I believe Manning will NOT throw for 200 yrds on Sunday. The Bears will win 30-21.

 

Peyton will get his yards. Its the design of the cover-2. Even Drew Brees threw for 350+ yards. Its points that are the deciding factor.

 

We didn't play much cover-2 against the Saints.

 

Oh, and 88 yards of that was the play Bush scored after getting open on an illegal pick.

 

Well, the NFL said that wasn't an illegal pick because of the little to no contact that the picking player made-you're allowed to shield apparently, as long as you don't block the guy (like Troy Brown did) or knock him over.

 

 

Yeah, well the NFL was wrong. It was an illegal pick.

[CubColtPacer]

You know, I'm tired of the "lack of respect the Bears seem to get. People thought Seattle would beat the Bears. Then people thought the "America's Darlin" would whoop the Bears. And now people believe the Bears have no shot at beating the Colts. It's so frustrating.

 

I mean if you compare the Saints and the Colts offensively:

 

Brees .v. Manning are a wash in 2006. Manning was the TOP QB, and Brees was the 3rd best QB in 2006. QBs is a wash.

 

Rhodes(38th)/Addai (18th) .v. Bush/McCallister(20th): Bush wasn't ranked in the Top 40. McCallister was 18th, Rhodes and Addai were 38th and 18th best RBs in the league. So RBs, was basically wash.

 

Harrison(2nd)/Wayne(3rd) .v. Colston(19th)/Henderson(NR). Admittedly, the Colts have the upper hand here, even with Bush and his sold numbers catching the ball.

 

The Saints were the TOP yard gaining team in football, whereas the Colts were 3rd. So, what happen to the Saints? People want to say the Colts are "unstoppable" and are "destined" to win the title, seeing as Manning got the "monkey off his back", but considering us Bears have heard this tuned before, I started to believe, the Bears are GOING TO WIN the Super Bowl.

 

Besides, what is working on behalf of the Bears, is that Dr. Z predicts the Colts are going to win 34-24.

 

So, I'm thinking the Bears will do the unthinkable, and shut down Peyton Manning. I am going to say it...I believe Manning will NOT throw for 200 yrds on Sunday. The Bears will win 30-21.

 

Peyton will get his yards. Its the design of the cover-2. Even Drew Brees threw for 350+ yards. Its points that are the deciding factor.

 

We didn't play much cover-2 against the Saints.

 

Oh, and 88 yards of that was the play Bush scored after getting open on an illegal pick.

 

Well, the NFL said that wasn't an illegal pick because of the little to no contact that the picking player made-you're allowed to shield apparently, as long as you don't block the guy (like Troy Brown did) or knock him over.

 

 

Yeah, well the NFL was wrong. It was an illegal pick.

 

Wait a minute-the NFL sets its rules for the league-but what it says doesn't go, but instead it's just what every fan wants the rules to be? That's fine with me-there will be no touching of the Colts receivers whatsoever on Sunday :D

[Soul]

Colts will no doubt watch the Saints game film, see they can CHEAT, and then proceed to CHEAT all game! :wink:

[Soul]

Wow, I killed the Bear/Colts thread 8-)

 

I was JOKING folks. I know the Colts won't be trying to cheat. Just getting a little too excited for this game.

 

People at work think I'm crazy----got my Urlacher jersey on, my NFC Champions hat; greaseboard has all kinds of crazy Bear drawings on it. LOL, too much fun :wink:

[CubColtPacer]

Wow, I killed the Bear/Colts thread 8-)

 

I was JOKING folks. I know the Colts won't be trying to cheat. Just getting a little too excited for this game.

 

People at work think I'm crazy----got my Urlacher jersey on, my NFC Champions hat; greaseboard has all kinds of crazy Bear drawings on it. LOL, too much fun :wink:

 

LOL-I knew you were joking. I'm trying not to get excited for the game yet so I don't get too excited-although I can start to feel how close the game is now. Tomorrow night, I'll probably really wish the game was right then (especially because the Colts have already played twice on Saturdays this postseason!).

[CubColtPacer]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

[Banedon]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

[CubColtPacer]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Yeah, apparently according to the metrics Harper has allowed less than 6 Y/A this year, which is amazing. Marlin Jackson should be fine replacing him-what worries me is Kelvin Hayden on Rashied, especially since Rex likes to look that way on 3rd downs.

[USSoccer]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

[CuseCubFan69]

Wow, I killed the Bear/Colts thread 8-)

 

I was JOKING folks. I know the Colts won't be trying to cheat. Just getting a little too excited for this game.

 

People at work think I'm crazy----got my Urlacher jersey on, my NFC Champions hat; greaseboard has all kinds of crazy Bear drawings on it. LOL, too much fun :wink:

 

Don't worry, this isn't the only thread that you killed! :wink:

[Banedon]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

 

It also says what Clayton harps on every time he rights about the Bears: "Fans wanted him replaced by Brian Griese."

 

Nice generalization John. Fans always want the starting QB replaced unless their name is Manning.

 

I had completely missed the "More times, he's been cold" comment. It also says he was terrible in the NFC Championship game. Another lie.

[Soul]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

 

Yeah, I don't get that. I suppose if you define "good" as Manning-esque 100+ QB ratings, then yeah Rex only had 7 games like that. But I don't think Peyton had more than 8 100+ QB rating games either, did he?

 

I've been hearing alot on the radio about "Rex getting frustrated" and "Rex fires on the media" I didn't hear the interview, but reading this article it kind of sounds like the moment was actually a humorous one:

 

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/240266,3_2_EL02_C05BEARS_S1.article

[Banedon]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

 

Yeah, I don't get that. I suppose if you define "good" as Manning-esque 100+ QB ratings, then yeah Rex only had 7 games like that. But I don't think Peyton had more than 8 100+ QB rating games either, did he?

 

I've been hearing alot on the radio about "Rex getting frustrated" and "Rex fires on the media" I didn't hear the interview, but reading this article it kind of sounds like the moment was actually a humorous one:

 

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/240266,3_2_EL02_C05BEARS_S1.article

 

Manning had 7 as well. Only Bulger had more, with 8.

[CubColtPacer]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

 

It also says what Clayton harps on every time he rights about the Bears: "Fans wanted him replaced by Brian Griese."

 

Nice generalization John. Fans always want the starting QB replaced unless their name is Manning.

 

I had completely missed the "More times, he's been cold" comment. It also says he was terrible in the NFC Championship game. Another lie.

 

Well, to be fair, for most of the game, he was pretty awful, which is how his stats still don't look good even with the one great drive. He didn't throw any INT's, but he couldn't complete any passes for 2 1/2 quarters and basically wasted his defense's efforts until the one drive.

[Banedon]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

 

It also says what Clayton harps on every time he rights about the Bears: "Fans wanted him replaced by Brian Griese."

 

Nice generalization John. Fans always want the starting QB replaced unless their name is Manning.

 

I had completely missed the "More times, he's been cold" comment. It also says he was terrible in the NFC Championship game. Another lie.

 

Well, to be fair, for most of the game, he was pretty awful, which is how his stats still don't look good even with the one great drive. He didn't throw any INT's, but he couldn't complete any passes for 2 1/2 quarters and basically wasted his defense's efforts until the one drive.

 

Sorry, but I've seen awful Rex. That wasn't awful Rex. Saying he was ineffective for the first half might be more accurate. But awful is just overstating it.

[CuseCubFan69]

Hopefully Rex focuses on the game and not the press. I'm truely surprised on how many "experts" are picking the Colts. I just don't see that big of a difference to have it sway that much in one way. I understand that the AFC was way better but the Bears had a very good record too.

[CubColtPacer]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

 

Yeah, I don't get that. I suppose if you define "good" as Manning-esque 100+ QB ratings, then yeah Rex only had 7 games like that. But I don't think Peyton had more than 8 100+ QB rating games either, did he?

 

I've been hearing alot on the radio about "Rex getting frustrated" and "Rex fires on the media" I didn't hear the interview, but reading this article it kind of sounds like the moment was actually a humorous one:

 

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/240266,3_2_EL02_C05BEARS_S1.article

 

The only way I can see it is if they are looking hard at Y/A, which some statisticians think is the most important stat for a QB (Football Outsiders takes this view). Manning had 1 regular season game under 6 Y/A this year-Grossman had 7.

[Soul]

The experts are picking against us. Madden says we'll lose. The Media says we have no chance. Even Vince Neill says we can't win.

 

I guess the Bears should just forfeit the game. Why bother even showing up?

[CubColtPacer]

BTW, the more I hear about it, the more I think Harper will not play. It is a high ankle sprain, and he just doesn't sound ready to go. That is a big loss for the Colts, especially because their nickel corner now is very inexperienced.

 

John Clayton's article today pretty much says Harper won't play. He said that he's only been able to get about 10 min of running in this week, and that he's wearing a boot.

 

While that bodes well for us, I hope that Grossman just doesn't key on whoever is replacing Harper and go after him...I want Rex to go through his reads as he normally would.

 

Clayton's article also says Rex has been bad more than good this season. Which is plain wrong any way you try and look at it.

 

It also says what Clayton harps on every time he rights about the Bears: "Fans wanted him replaced by Brian Griese."

 

Nice generalization John. Fans always want the starting QB replaced unless their name is Manning.

 

I had completely missed the "More times, he's been cold" comment. It also says he was terrible in the NFC Championship game. Another lie.

 

Well, to be fair, for most of the game, he was pretty awful, which is how his stats still don't look good even with the one great drive. He didn't throw any INT's, but he couldn't complete any passes for 2 1/2 quarters and basically wasted his defense's efforts until the one drive.

 

Sorry, but I've seen awful Rex. That wasn't awful Rex. Saying he was ineffective for the first half might be more accurate. But awful is just overstating it.

 

It might not be awful Rex, but any time your QB is 4/18 for 54 yards at one point in the second half, it's playing awful as a QB. If any other QB had those numbers, you wouldn't say he was simply "ineffective"

Rex has really simply stretched the boundaries of what it means to be awful, as 2 or 3 of his performances this year are probably listed on the 20 or 30 worst games in football history (I know the Arizona game is with 6 TO's). Of course at the same time, he's been very effective in large stretches of the year as well-I'm not saying he's awful overall, but he was awful most of the game last Sunday.

[thedaymen]

Wow, I killed the Bear/Colts thread 8-)

 

I was JOKING folks. I know the Colts won't be trying to cheat. Just getting a little too excited for this game.

 

People at work think I'm crazy----got my Urlacher jersey on, my NFC Champions hat; greaseboard has all kinds of crazy Bear drawings on it. LOL, too much fun :wink:

 

I'm wearing my Perry jersey and when outside my Bears winter hat I had in high school. I'm getting some weird looks also, but you have to remember:

 

a) I work in New York

b) I work for an environmental group and only one other person in my office knows what a Chicago Bear is

[soapy]

 

Well, to be fair, for most of the game, he was pretty awful, which is how his stats still don't look good even with the one great drive. He didn't throw any INT's, but he couldn't complete any passes for 2 1/2 quarters and basically wasted his defense's efforts until the one drive.

 

You weren't paying attention if that's what you think. There were a probably a handful of times in the first half where Grossman threw balls away intentionally in an attempt to be extra cautious. He certainly missed some throws (one in particular to Clark in the endzone) but I didn't think he was wildy erratic or anything. That's why I couldn't understand why Aikman and Buck were harping on his slow start, percentage-wise.

[CuseCubFan69]

Wow, I killed the Bear/Colts thread 8-)

 

I was JOKING folks. I know the Colts won't be trying to cheat. Just getting a little too excited for this game.

 

People at work think I'm crazy----got my Urlacher jersey on, my NFC Champions hat; greaseboard has all kinds of crazy Bear drawings on it. LOL, too much fun :wink:

 

I'm wearing my Perry jersey and when outside my Bears winter hat I had in high school. I'm getting some weird looks also, but you have to remember:

 

a) I work in New York

b) I work for an environmental group and only one other person in my office knows what a Chicago Bear is

 

 

An actual size Perry shirt?

[XZero771679666304]

 

Well, to be fair, for most of the game, he was pretty awful, which is how his stats still don't look good even with the one great drive. He didn't throw any INT's, but he couldn't complete any passes for 2 1/2 quarters and basically wasted his defense's efforts until the one drive.

 

You weren't paying attention if that's what you think. There were a probably a handful of times in the first half where Grossman threw balls away intentionally in an attempt to be extra cautious. He certainly missed some throws (one in particular to Clark in the endzone) but I didn't think he was wildy erratic or anything. That's why I couldn't understand why Aikman and Buck were harping on his slow start, percentage-wise.

 

Throwing a few balls away shouldn't reduce a QB's pass percentage to less than 30 percent. At least 5 or 6 of his missed passes would have to have been intentional for that argument to be valid. I watched the game, and maybe 2 or 3 were. Also, I wouldn't confuse his inability to throw under pressure with intentionally throwing the ball away.

 

Rex was just bad in the first half.

[CubColtPacer]

 

Well, to be fair, for most of the game, he was pretty awful, which is how his stats still don't look good even with the one great drive. He didn't throw any INT's, but he couldn't complete any passes for 2 1/2 quarters and basically wasted his defense's efforts until the one drive.

 

You weren't paying attention if that's what you think. There were a probably a handful of times in the first half where Grossman threw balls away intentionally in an attempt to be extra cautious. He certainly missed some throws (one in particular to Clark in the endzone) but I didn't think he was wildy erratic or anything. That's why I couldn't understand why Aikman and Buck were harping on his slow start, percentage-wise.

 

A QB has to not only not make mistakes-they have to make plays. Even if you take away 5 incompletions as throwaways (which every QB has, BTW) Grossman still started 4/13. 60 percent is considered average for a professional QB. Under 50 percent is considered as being pretty bad, and Grossman's 4/18 start, or 22.5 percent was simply awful. I'll bet there weren't 5 QB's this year all season besides Rex that ever started a game that poorly in completion percentage with so many attempts.