Z wants Zito money

[frostwyrm]

''You take less than Zito take and everybody talks about you, saying, 'Zambrano sign a bad contract,''' Zambrano said. ''You take more and everybody says, 'Zambrano is taking advantage.' I think the thing is to be around what Zito signed for, more or the same.''

 

''I don't want to talk contract when the season starts,'' Zambrano said. ''It has to be before the season starts or spring training.''

 

 

Not sure if this has been posted, but Z wants a Zito contract, and he wants it before opening day. I assume Captain Backload will give Z what he wants.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/220720,CST-SPT-csep20.article

[Butterscup1679666578]

Well there you have it Jim, you could have this deal done in about 15 minutes. They're both at the convention, right? Get it done now, wouldn't that be an amazing thing to announce at the convention. Edited January 20, 2007 by Butterscup

[CP_414]

Give it to him.

[Post Count Padder]

JH has to get this deal done, or he'll never be allowed to show his face in public.

[Brian]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

[frostwyrm]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

 

It's funny, but Zito's deal is heavily backoaded, with the first big payment due in 2009. It looks just like a Hendry contract. The Cubs really could offer Z the same contract.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

 

It's funny, but Zito's deal is heavily backoaded, with the first big payment due in 2009. It looks just like a Hendry contract.

 

It also looks like 90% of long-term contracts. Heavily backloaded deals are not exclusively a Hendry thing.

[frostwyrm]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

 

It's funny, but Zito's deal is heavily backoaded, with the first big payment due in 2009. It looks just like a Hendry contract.

 

It also looks like 90% of long-term contracts. Heavily backloaded deals are not exclusively a Hendry thing.

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but Hendry has developed a trademark mania for dumping every big paycheck on 2009. It's like he thinks the world will end on December 31st, 2008.

[nilodnayr]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

 

It's funny, but Zito's deal is heavily backoaded, with the first big payment due in 2009. It looks just like a Hendry contract.

 

It also looks like 90% of long-term contracts. Heavily backloaded deals are not exclusively a Hendry thing.

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but Hendry has developed a trademark mania for dumping every big paycheck on 2009. It's like he thinks the world will end on December 31st, 2008.

 

Or that his tenure as the GM of the cubs will

[Sammy Sofa]

Z should get Zito money.

 

And a herd of cattle.

 

And a bouncing car.

 

And a solid gold house.

 

And my firstborn.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

 

It's funny, but Zito's deal is heavily backoaded, with the first big payment due in 2009. It looks just like a Hendry contract.

 

It also looks like 90% of long-term contracts. Heavily backloaded deals are not exclusively a Hendry thing.

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but Hendry has developed a trademark mania for dumping every big paycheck on 2009. It's like he thinks the world will end on December 31st, 2008.

 

Lilly's the only contract that has a huge jump when we get to '09, going from 7M to 12M. Soriano goes from 13 to 16 mil, Ramirez 14 to 15.65, and Marquis from 6.375M to 9.875M. It's far from a disaster considering that we have 13.3 million coming off that year just in relievers(Dempster, Howry, Eyre), plus Jones's 5 million and possibly more than 10 million more from deadweight like Blanco, Izturis, and (maybe) Prior.

[Rob]

Give it to him.

 

Side note:

 

Just once, I'd like to see an extremely front-loaded contract. The team is already set to contend, but they're way under budget... so they offer a good pitcher 4 years, 50 mil.... and pay it out 25, 15, 5, 5. So right as their young guys get expensive, the money gets freed up to deal with them. But I guess that's just a pipedream.

[frostwyrm]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

 

It's funny, but Zito's deal is heavily backoaded, with the first big payment due in 2009. It looks just like a Hendry contract.

 

It also looks like 90% of long-term contracts. Heavily backloaded deals are not exclusively a Hendry thing.

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but Hendry has developed a trademark mania for dumping every big paycheck on 2009. It's like he thinks the world will end on December 31st, 2008.

 

Lilly's the only contract that has a huge jump when we get to '09, going from 7M to 12M. Soriano goes from 13 to 16 mil, Ramirez 14 to 15.65, and Marquis from 6.375M to 9.875M. It's far from a disaster considering that we have 13.3 million coming off that year just in relievers(Dempster, Howry, Eyre), plus Jones's 5 million and possibly more than 10 million more from deadweight like Blanco, Izturis, and (maybe) Prior.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4707/picture2lb6.png

 

$72M already committed for 2009, Z's deal will push it to $90M. That ought to buy a whole team -- a good one too.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

just give him the same contract and be done with it.

 

It's funny, but Zito's deal is heavily backoaded, with the first big payment due in 2009. It looks just like a Hendry contract.

 

It also looks like 90% of long-term contracts. Heavily backloaded deals are not exclusively a Hendry thing.

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but Hendry has developed a trademark mania for dumping every big paycheck on 2009. It's like he thinks the world will end on December 31st, 2008.

 

Lilly's the only contract that has a huge jump when we get to '09, going from 7M to 12M. Soriano goes from 13 to 16 mil, Ramirez 14 to 15.65, and Marquis from 6.375M to 9.875M. It's far from a disaster considering that we have 13.3 million coming off that year just in relievers(Dempster, Howry, Eyre), plus Jones's 5 million and possibly more than 10 million more from deadweight like Blanco, Izturis, and (maybe) Prior.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4707/picture2lb6.png

 

$72M already committed for 2009, Z's deal will push it to $90M. That ought to buy a whole team -- a good one too.

 

That's a different point. I'm not going to argue that Marquis, Lilly, or Soriano aren't making too much, but you're making Hendry out to be a "I'll just pay it off later" teenager with a credit card. His deals aren't any worse than many others around the league, and the increases from '08 to '09 are hardly going to ruin us.

[Guest]

I'm nervous about this deal. A lack of command often precedes a major arm injury.

 

Gotta do it, though.

[Guest]

I love Z, but I wouldn't give him the contract that Zito got. Don't get me wrong, I want his re-signed, but I rather give him similar PER YEAR money, with less yrs. Maybe 5 yrs $90 million (that is the same per yr as Zito got). If not, I would be interested in shopping Zambrano around. The kind of package the Cubs could get for Z would be intriguing. I know people here don't want to lose Z, but I am NOT comfortable with giving a PITCHER over 5 yrs (and I'm sure Hendry isn't comfortable, either, regardless of his spending spree).

[frostwyrm]

you're making Hendry out to be a "I'll just pay it off later" teenager with a credit card.

 

Indeed I am.

[b_wiggy_66]

Who is Zambrano's agent? Also, I like the idea of a balanced or slightly front-loaded contract.

[cbbryan]

Who is Zambrano's agent? Also, I like the idea of a balanced or slightly front-loaded contract.

 

Z's agent is Barry Praver. I also like the idea of a front loaded contract. Why not just reverse the money amounts on Zito's contract and call it a day.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'm nervous about this deal. A lack of command often precedes a major arm injury.

 

Gotta do it, though.

 

Yeah, you're not the only one worried about it.

 

But Z could easily command more than Zito money on an open market, so that'd be nice.

[nilodnayr]

I'm nervous about this deal. A lack of command often precedes a major arm injury.

 

Gotta do it, though.

 

Yeah, you're not the only one worried about it.

 

But Z could easily command more than Zito money on an open market, so that'd be nice.

 

He very much should command more. Also, why go out and spend so much money this year if you are going to let your only significanly above average pitcher walk after this year. Hendry does not have any other option but to sign him.

[frostwyrm]

If Hendry likes his job he won't let Z walk, and I'm sure Z and his agent know it. Z could have been traded, but that would only have made sense before Hendry irrevocably committed the Cubs the winning now. I actually think Z could ask for significantly more than Zito and get it. Hendry has backed himself into a corner. He really should have negotiated sooner.

[nilodnayr]

you're making Hendry out to be a "I'll just pay it off later" teenager with a credit card.

 

Indeed I am.

 

"Teenager with a credit card" to me means spending without realizing future consequences. The future consequence is that in 2009 if we give Z Zito money and remain at 110M budget, we will have $20M for 18 spots on the 25 man roster. However, you have to count Murton and Pie at about 4M, and Hill and one of our prospects should round out the rotation for about another $2M. So you can realistically call it $14M for a catcher, shortstop, bench and bullpen. Not a great position to be in, but the sky is not falling.

[nilodnayr]

If Hendry likes his job he won't let Z walk, and I'm sure Z and his agent know it. Z could have been traded, but that would only have made sense before Hendry irrevocably committed the Cubs the winning now. I actually think Z could ask for significantly more than Zito and get it. Hendry has backed himself into a corner. He really should have negotiated sooner.

 

I think from Hendry's body of work we can surmise that he does not understand the concept of negotiating from a leveraged position.

[soccer10k]

Hendry has to give Z what he wants and he should.