Would you trade for Jimmy Rollins?

[CuseCubFan69]

I was just curious if any of you would go after this guy to lead off for the Cubs. I'm not saying that this is going to happen but I have a feeling he may be available and IMO a Hendry type of guy to lead off.

[goonys evil twin]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have him at SS than Izturis, but he's got a pretty big contract, and he's nothing special.

 

 

My stance is leadoff is not a position. It's a spot in the order. When you put together a lineup you need to get the best combination of 8 positions that you can get. You don't go out to sign a 2 hitter, or a 7 hitter. You shouldn't pay a premium for a leadoff hitter. Get the best 8 you can get, and put the guy who best fits at leadoff in that spot.

[CuseCubFan69]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have him at SS than Izturis, but he's got a pretty big contract, and he's nothing special.

 

 

My stance is leadoff is not a position. It's a spot in the order. When you put together a lineup you need to get the best combination of 8 positions that you can get. You don't go out to sign a 2 hitter, or a 7 hitter. You shouldn't pay a premium for a leadoff hitter. Get the best 8 you can get, and put the guy who best fits at leadoff in that spot.

 

I agree with you but I have a feeling Mr. Hendry doesn't. I'm curious if Hendry thinks of Pie as a future leadoff guy like they tried to push Patterson into being.

[David]

I'm pretty sure that they have every intention of using Soriano in the leadoff spot and they seem to have no desire to change that. I don't think Hendry is looking for a leadoff man. They gave him the money and are going to let him hit where he feels comfortable hitting.

 

Does it make sense? Not really. But batting order doesn't matter all that much, anyway.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm pretty sure that they have every intention of using Soriano in the leadoff spot and they seem to have no desire to change that. I don't think Hendry is looking for a leadoff man. They gave him the money and are going to let him hit where he feels comfortable hitting.

 

Does it make sense? Not really. But batting order doesn't matter all that much, anyway.

 

Yeah, the pursuit of leadoff hitters should pretty much be done, now that Soriano has that spot for the next several years.

[Derwood]

Boston putting Youkilis at leadoff pretty much disproved the "light-hitting, fast 2B/SS/CF hitting #1" myth

[CP_414]

If he can repeat his 06 numbers I would. 800+ OPS, 25 HR's, 36 steals, and he is pretty good in the field. HUGE upgrade over what we have at SS.

[Butterscup1679666578]

If he can repeat his 06 numbers I would. 800+ OPS, 25 HR's, 36 steals, and he is pretty good in the field. HUGE upgrade over what we have at SS.

 

I was going to say that while the OPS is nice, I'm not very high on SB guys, and then I saw his 90% success rate last year and his 80% success rate for his career. I'd love it if Hendry made a move for him.

[MPrior]

Rollins is definitely an upgrade over Izturis, and would be an asset at SS. However, I think he's very much overvalued - both by his contract and by baseball people around the league - and as such would likely cost more to acquire in talent than he's actually worth.

[nilodnayr]

If he can repeat his 06 numbers I would. 800+ OPS, 25 HR's, 36 steals, and he is pretty good in the field. HUGE upgrade over what we have at SS.

 

I was going to say that while the OPS is nice, I'm not very high on SB guys, and then I saw his 90% success rate last year and his 80% success rate for his career. I'd love it if Hendry made a move for him.

 

Although as a leadoff hitter, his OBP leaves much to be desired.

[Rob]

Rollins is definitely an upgrade over Izturis, and would be an asset at SS. However, I think he's very much overvalued - both by his contract and by baseball people around the league - and as such would likely cost more to acquire in talent than he's actually worth.

 

Unless they want Izturis back to man SS for this season, in which case we could give them pretty much anybody else and still come out around even.

[Butterscup1679666578]

If he can repeat his 06 numbers I would. 800+ OPS, 25 HR's, 36 steals, and he is pretty good in the field. HUGE upgrade over what we have at SS.

 

I was going to say that while the OPS is nice, I'm not very high on SB guys, and then I saw his 90% success rate last year and his 80% success rate for his career. I'd love it if Hendry made a move for him.

 

Although as a leadoff hitter, his OBP leaves much to be desired.

 

Yeah I definitely wouldn't want him as our leadoff guy, but I wouldn't mind him at #2, even though this would be my preferred lineup:

 

Soriano-Murton-Lee-Ramirez-Jones?-Barrett-DeRosa-Rollins

 

bat him 8th, have someone with a decent OBP at the end of the order getting on base for Soriano and Murton (and Z and Marquis and Prior), and you have a very solid lineup there IMO.

[BigbadB]

Rollins is definitely an upgrade over Izturis, and would be an asset at SS. However, I think he's very much overvalued - both by his contract and by baseball people around the league - and as such would likely cost more to acquire in talent than he's actually worth.

 

overvalued? :shock:

 

The guy made 5m last year and had 79 XBH's, 35 stolen bases and scored 127 times. Is there a better SS in the NL?

 

Granted, he isn't an on base machine, but I'd take him. He's a lot better than Jacque Jones and he plays SS.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we traded for Rollins, he wouldn't hit lead-off. Piniella says that Soriano is the best lead-off hitter in baseball.

[MPrior]

Rollins is definitely an upgrade over Izturis, and would be an asset at SS. However, I think he's very much overvalued - both by his contract and by baseball people around the league - and as such would likely cost more to acquire in talent than he's actually worth.

 

overvalued? :shock:

 

The guy made 5m last year and had 79 XBH's, 35 stolen bases and scored 127 times. Is there a better SS in the NL?

 

Granted, he isn't an on base machine, but I'd take him. He's a lot better than Jacque Jones and he plays SS.

 

I guess I was more referring to the way GMs would view him. The hit streak got him a lot of attention, and 2006 was arguably the best year of his career - and even so, there are at least a few NL shortstops who had equal or better years than he did. Reyes, Furcal, Hanley Ramirez, and Bill Hall were arguably all better.

 

Also, and this could just be my faulty memory, but didn't he sign a pretty large contract in the 2005 or 2006 season? Maybe it's backloaded, but I think he did.

 

I agree with Rob, though. If we could get him for Izturis plus someone who isn't a world-beater, it'd probably be a good deal.

[TheDude]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have him at SS than Izturis, but he's got a pretty big contract, and he's nothing special.

 

 

My stance is leadoff is not a position. It's a spot in the order. When you put together a lineup you need to get the best combination of 8 positions that you can get. You don't go out to sign a 2 hitter, or a 7 hitter. You shouldn't pay a premium for a leadoff hitter. Get the best 8 you can get, and put the guy who best fits at leadoff in that spot.

 

I agree with you but I have a feeling Mr. Hendry doesn't. I'm curious if Hendry thinks of Pie as a future leadoff guy like they tried to push Patterson into being.

 

I don't think any team in baseball conducts business that way. Whether for right or wrong, guys are looked at for both position in the field and the lineup, and the market price is dependant on both factors and comparative production to the league.

 

On topic, I like Rollins quite a bit. He's really improved in recent years and he is a top NL SS.

[NoDak]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have him at SS than Izturis, but he's got a pretty big contract, and he's nothing special.

 

 

My stance is leadoff is not a position. It's a spot in the order. When you put together a lineup you need to get the best combination of 8 positions that you can get. You don't go out to sign a 2 hitter, or a 7 hitter. You shouldn't pay a premium for a leadoff hitter. Get the best 8 you can get, and put the guy who best fits at leadoff in that spot.

 

My stance is that there are no "positions" as there are in a sport like football or basketball. A team is entitled to 9 defenders in the field. They can all stand in a clump if they want to. In fact, there are fewer regulations regarding player positioning than in other sports (basketball has the 3-second rule, football has "illegal formations"). You don't sign a "shortstop" you put the players out on the field that have the best chance of combination of offense and defense. Traditionally someone stands between 2nd base and the thirdbasemen. :lol:

 

Don't take this too seriously. It was mainly a spoof of quoted statement. I think we all know what he meant.