Bonds tests positive for amphetamines...

[CuseCubFan69]

why wasn't he suspended?

 

You get a free pass with the first test failure in MLB.

 

for all drugs or just greenies?

 

According to SI.com:

 

While amphetamines are considered performance-enhancing drugs, they are treated differently than steroids under baseball's drug policy. Had Bonds failed a steroid test, he would have been suspended for 50 games, but under baseball's amphetamine policy no one is publicly identified or suspended until a second positive, which would result in a 25-game suspension. A player is suspended for 80 games for a third positive.

 

Interesting, thanks grass.

[OleMissCub]

What a first rate scumbag.

 

for the amphetamine use or the subsequent excuse?

 

mainly his excuse. No honor amongst thieves I guess.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Bonds might just be the most talented hitter of this generation. It's too bad he has to cloud his records with stupid decision making.

 

Hurry up and retire. I'm tired of the negative pub for baseball.

[CuseCubFan69]

What were Bonds batting, HR, OBP averages per year before 98?

[fromthestretch]

What were Bonds batting, HR, OBP averages per year before 98?

 

This would have been a lot easier if baseball-reference.com allowed people to easily export into Excel.

 

Through the end of the '98 season, he was averaging:

 

.290/.411./556 and 32 homers per season

 

Since '98:

 

.320/.508/.729 and 40 homers per season

 

The popular theory is that he started taking steroids after the 1998 season. If that is true, then he didn't really start reaping the benefits until 2001. His 1999 and 2000 seasons weren't anything above and beyond what he had done before in his career. His 49 home runs in 2000 may have been a career high, but it was only three more than his previous career high set in 1993. Also, his 2000 OPS was lower than his 1993 OPS.

[OleMissCub]

What were Bonds batting, HR, OBP averages per year before 98?

 

Up to 98, in just 11 seasons, he hit 374 homers, 1750 hits, had a .315 lifetime BA, stole 417 bases, and had an OBP of .442.

 

Pretty extraordinary.

[CuseCubFan69]

What were Bonds batting, HR, OBP averages per year before 98?

 

This would have been a lot easier if baseball-reference.com allowed people to easily export into Excel.

 

Through the end of the '98 season, he was averaging:

 

.290/.411./556 and 32 homers per season

 

Since '98:

 

.320/.508/.729 and 40 homers per season

 

The popular theory is that he started taking steroids after the 1998 season. If that is true, then he didn't really start reaping the benefits until 2001. His 1999 and 2000 seasons weren't anything above and beyond what he had done before in his career. His 49 home runs in 2000 may have been a career high, but it was only three more than his previous career high set in 1993. Also, his 2000 OPS was lower than his 1993 OPS.

 

Those are some serious gains at an than peak older age. I wonder if he always took amphetemines the whole time? His Godfather definately could show him the way.

[CuseCubFan69]

What were Bonds batting, HR, OBP averages per year before 98?

 

Up to 98, in just 11 seasons, he hit 374 homers, 1750 hits, had a .315 lifetime BA, stole 417 bases, and had an OBP of .442.

 

Pretty extraordinary.

 

No doubt he is one of the top players in history and I'm curious if he ever did illegal drugs like uppers before the BALCO stuff.

[fromthestretch]

What were Bonds batting, HR, OBP averages per year before 98?

 

This would have been a lot easier if baseball-reference.com allowed people to easily export into Excel.

 

Through the end of the '98 season, he was averaging:

 

.290/.411./556 and 32 homers per season

 

Since '98:

 

.320/.508/.729 and 40 homers per season

 

The popular theory is that he started taking steroids after the 1998 season. If that is true, then he didn't really start reaping the benefits until 2001. His 1999 and 2000 seasons weren't anything above and beyond what he had done before in his career. His 49 home runs in 2000 may have been a career high, but it was only three more than his previous career high set in 1993. Also, his 2000 OPS was lower than his 1993 OPS.

 

Those are some serious gains at an than peak older age. I wonder if he always took amphetemines the whole time? His Godfather definately could show him the way.

 

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

[CuseCubFan69]

What were Bonds batting, HR, OBP averages per year before 98?

 

This would have been a lot easier if baseball-reference.com allowed people to easily export into Excel.

 

Through the end of the '98 season, he was averaging:

 

.290/.411./556 and 32 homers per season

 

Since '98:

 

.320/.508/.729 and 40 homers per season

 

The popular theory is that he started taking steroids after the 1998 season. If that is true, then he didn't really start reaping the benefits until 2001. His 1999 and 2000 seasons weren't anything above and beyond what he had done before in his career. His 49 home runs in 2000 may have been a career high, but it was only three more than his previous career high set in 1993. Also, his 2000 OPS was lower than his 1993 OPS.

 

Those are some serious gains at an than peak older age. I wonder if he always took amphetemines the whole time? His Godfather definately could show him the way.

 

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

 

Interesting points. Some would say it's because Gwynn is such a student of the game and that is why he got better with age. Maybe Tony had some extra vision help too. Thanks to the no testing we will never know about these guys and baseball has only itself to blame.

[OleMissCub]

 

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

 

That's no doubt got to do with wisdom moreso than any type of steroids for him:

 

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/apmegasports/200701091710618255958-pf.widec.jpg

 

hehe :-)

[fromthestretch]

 

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

 

That's no doubt got to do with wisdom moreso than any type of steroids for him:

 

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/apmegasports/200701091710618255958-pf.widec.jpg

 

hehe :-)

 

C'mon. Everyone knows that eating a steady diet of Twinkies improves your hitting.

[goonys evil twin]

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

 

IT's definitely interesting, but something has to be said for the two different eras. The first timeframe coincided with the low scoring 80's and early 90's, the second occurred during the high flying mid to late 90's.

 

His peak OPS+ years were at 27 (158) and 34 (169 - in just 475 PA). Then he had a 156 at 37, in 1997. His average OPS+ in those last 9 years was 135, while in the previous 9 years it was 129.

 

His overall numbers spiked late in his career, but in relation to the league, they were close to the same.

[OleMissCub]

 

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

 

That's no doubt got to do with wisdom moreso than any type of steroids for him:

 

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/apmegasports/200701091710618255958-pf.widec.jpg

 

hehe :-)

 

C'mon. Everyone knows that eating a steady diet of Twinkies improves your hitting.

 

"I love it when ya call me Big Poppa, throw your hands in the air, if youse a true playa'"

 

- The Notorious "T.K.G"

[fromthestretch]

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

 

IT's definitely interesting, but something has to be said for the two different eras. The first timeframe coincided with the low scoring 80's and early 90's, the second occurred during the high flying mid to late 90's.

 

His peak OPS+ years were at 27 (158) and 34 (169 - in just 475 PA). Then he had a 156 at 37, in 1997. His average OPS+ in those last 9 years was 135, while in the previous 9 years it was 129.

 

His overall numbers spiked late in his career, but in relation to the league, they were close to the same.

 

Those are good points.

 

One thing that I think you an infer from this is that great hitters make adjustments as they get older.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Here's an interesting comparison.

 

Tony Gwynn from 1982-1992 (ages 22-32):

 

Averaged .327/.381/.433 per season

 

Tony Gwynn from 1993-2001 (ages 33-41):

 

Averaged .356/.400/.500 per season

 

Those are also some serious gains, especially in AVG and SLG

 

That's no doubt got to do with wisdom moreso than any type of steroids for him:

 

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/apmegasports/200701091710618255958-pf.widec.jpg

 

hehe :-)

 

Wow...Gwynn is growing to Puckett-size.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Argh, now there's even going to be more crap than usual that I'm going to have to avoid.

 

I don't understand. Are you a barroid fan?

 

No, I just don't care. Now the media's going to start up the whole 24/7 coverage of this again though, making it more difficult to avoid.

[BigbadB]

I think steroids impacted the game. But, the time frame also coincides with "juiced" baseballs, smaller and offensive oriented parks opening up, expansion in each league, which drained the quality of pitching, etc...

 

I also think there was more focus on "beefing up". Advancements in physical conditioning, dietary supplements (legal or illegal) and the demand of power hitting in the game probably also contributed to the increase.

[fromthestretch]

I think steroids impacted the game. But, the time frame also coincides with "juiced" baseballs, smaller and offensive oriented parks opening up, expansion in each league, which drained the quality of pitching, etc...

 

I also think there was more focus on "beefing up". Advancements in physical conditioning, dietary supplements (legal or illegal) and the demand of power hitting in the game probably also contributed to the increase.

 

Not to mention better technology. Hitters now have practically unlimited access to video of pitchers they are going to face.

[Outshined_One]

Funny how the Pittsburgh drug trials happened a little over 20 years ago and incredibly few people have said anything about them during this whole steroid pandemonium.

[CuseCubFan69]

Funny how the Pittsburgh drug trials happened a little over 20 years ago and incredibly few people have said anything about them during this whole steroid pandemonium.

 

That never happened! I have my fingers in my ears, my eyes are closed and I'm humming real loud right now!

 

Imagine if that happened today? I like the way rock thinks....you have to have your priorities straight!

[XZero771679666304]

Argh, now there's even going to be more crap than usual that I'm going to have to avoid.

 

I don't understand. Are you a barroid fan?

 

No, I just don't care. Now the media's going to start up the whole 24/7 coverage of this again though, making it more difficult to avoid.

 

No, it's Bonds. ESPN at least is going to do their best to ignore it. They'll acknowledge it (begrudgingly), but won't beat it like a dead horse the same way they would if it were nearly anyone else.

 

ESPN still pimped Bonds after the leaked grand jury testimony, his trainer going to jail, etc. Then Bonds claims ignorance (as if a pro athlete doesn't ALWAYS know EXACTLY what he puts in/on his body). Now he is blaming it on Mark Sweeney.

 

"Gee, I just grabbed a bottle from Mark's locker and took it. I didn't know what it was, it's not my fault." Yeah right. With every new development, it becomes clearer and clearer what a lousy human being Bonds is. He's a scumbag.

 

 

If you ask me, his guilt is FAR more apparent than that of a guy like McGwire. Not only that, but Mac is a first rate person, while Bonds is a total cretin.

 

If Mac doesn't get voted in, Bonds sure the hell shouldn't be.

[woodchip2153]

Argh, now there's even going to be more crap than usual that I'm going to have to avoid.

 

I don't understand. Are you a barroid fan?

 

No, I just don't care. Now the media's going to start up the whole 24/7 coverage of this again though, making it more difficult to avoid.

 

No, it's Bonds. ESPN at least is going to do their best to ignore it. They'll acknowledge it (begrudgingly), but won't beat it like a dead horse the same way they would if it were nearly anyone else.

 

ESPN still pimped Bonds after the leaked grand jury testimony, his trainer going to jail, etc. Then Bonds claims ignorance (as if a pro athlete doesn't ALWAYS know EXACTLY what he puts in/on his body). Now he is blaming it on Mark Sweeney.

 

"Gee, I just grabbed a bottle from Mark's locker and took it. I didn't know what it was, it's not my fault." Yeah right. With every new development, it becomes clearer and clearer what a lousy human being Bonds is. He's a scumbag.

 

 

If you ask me, his guilt is FAR more apparent than that of a guy like McGwire. Not only that, but Mac is a first rate person, while Bonds is a total cretin.

 

If Mac doesn't get voted in, Bonds sure the hell shouldn't be.

 

Did anybody read the exert from a book about Bonds on Page 2 last year. It was basically talking about how big of a jerk he was even back in college and how the players actually voted him off the team, but the coach didn't kick him off.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Haven't read this whole thread but um...

 

Speed has been popular in baseball since...forever.

 

It wouldn't suprise me if Willie Mays, a man that can do no wrong, was the guy who introduced him.

[TruffleShuffle]

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9803/11/lloyd.bridges.obit/link.airplane.jpg

 

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.