Cubs Pursuing Lilly

[Bruno7481]

Am I late to the party on this?

 

http://www.metronews.ca/uploadedFiles/PDFs/20061201_Toronto.pdf

 

Go to page 27.

 

Just a bit.

 

Hehe...

 

Thought I would be.

 

Disregard please.

[Southpaw191679666239]

I was listening to Kap and Waddle talk about Lilly while running an errand tonight, and then I re-read this thread. Iceblink seems to be the only one who mentioned his history of various injuries. Maybe one or two others touched on it, but looking at all that time on the DL, I think I'd have to say....

 

pass.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Am I late to the party on this?

 

http://www.metronews.ca/uploadedFiles/PDFs/20061201_Toronto.pdf

 

Go to page 27.

 

The best line of the article:

Baseball owners have lost their minds.

[A New Era]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Lilly ERA+ 2006-2003: 109. 80, 120, 98.

Meche ERA + 2006-2003: 97, 85, 88, 97

 

Meche hasn't even been average in one season of the last four. While Lilly is inconsistent, he's much better than Meche. At least he has performed above average.

[nilodnayr]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

[A New Era]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

 

Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol:

[killthegoat06]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

 

Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol:

 

That also means he did worse against everyone else.

[A New Era]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

 

Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol:

 

That also means he did worse against everyone else.

 

Hey if he can pitch 3.0 vs. some teams and 5.0 against others. Pitching 170 innings of an era around 4.0. That is a GOOD pitcher.

[Iceblink]

I was listening to Kap and Waddle talk about Lilly while running an errand tonight, and then I re-read this thread. Iceblink seems to be the only one who mentioned his history of various injuries. Maybe one or two others touched on it, but looking at all that time on the DL, I think I'd have to say....

 

pass.

 

I applaud your wisdom, sir. :)

[nilodnayr]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

 

Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol:

 

Just bunking your contextualization that Lilly's #s should be better not having to pitch in the AL east.

[Guest]

3 ER or less in how many innings? Those numbers don't tell us much. what happened in the other two starts? Selective stats like that are pretty pointless.

[Guest]

from Cubs.com:

 

Larry O'Brien, Lilly's agent, told MLB.com on Friday that Cubs general manager Jim Hendry had made an offer but that the two sides were not expected to finalize anything until they meet again in Orlando for the Winter Meetings next week. O'Brien said the Toronto Blue Jays, New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles, Texas Rangers and San Francisco Giants were also interested in Lilly.

 

"We're beyond just preliminary discussions," O'Brien said of his conversations with the Cubs. "We've had an offer and we're considering coming back with maybe another counteroffer. I would say that I'm planning on meeting with Jim Hendry down in Orlando next week, but we're also going to be meeting with J.P. Ricciardi with Toronto and a few other clubs."

[A New Era]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

 

Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol:

 

Just bunking your contextualization that Lilly's #s should be better not having to pitch in the AL east.

 

Then I counter good sir, not facing DH's in the NL!! HA HAAA!!

[nilodnayr]

3 ER or less in how many innings? Those numbers don't tell us much. what happened in the other two starts? Selective stats like that are pretty pointless.

 

Ugh fine :)

 

In 06 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 4.55 and 4.31 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly hurt his ERA.

 

In 05 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 5.11 and 5.56 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

In 04 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 3.99 and 4.06 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

The net affect is that a claim that pitching against Bos/NYY adversely affected his ERA is untrue.

[nilodnayr]

 

Then I counter good sir, not facing DH's in the NL!! HA HAAA!!

 

Sure didn't hurt Vicenta Padilla. Now thats some one I can endorse!

[Rob]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

 

Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol:

 

Just bunking your contextualization that Lilly's #s should be better not having to pitch in the AL east.

 

Then I counter good sir, not facing DH's in the NL!! HA HAAA!!

 

Lilly is a pitcher with a high walk rate and flyball tendencies... you really want to bring that to Wrigley? How have all those other pitchers that fit the exact same profile worked out for us?

[Guest]

3 ER or less in how many innings? Those numbers don't tell us much. what happened in the other two starts? Selective stats like that are pretty pointless.

 

Ugh fine :)

 

In 06 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 4.55 and 4.31 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly hurt his ERA.

 

In 05 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 5.11 and 5.56 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

In 04 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 3.99 and 4.06 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

The net affect is that a claim that pitching against Bos/NYY adversely affected his ERA is untrue.

 

I thought you were debunking that coming to the NL would help him?

[A New Era]

Why is the majority of everyone so high on Ted Lilly?

 

He's better than Gil Meche.

 

Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche?

 

Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option.

 

5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less.

 

Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol:

 

Just bunking your contextualization that Lilly's #s should be better not having to pitch in the AL east.

 

Then I counter good sir, not facing DH's in the NL!! HA HAAA!!

 

Lilly is a pitcher with a high walk rate and flyball tendencies... you really want to bring that to Wrigley? How have all those other pitchers that fit the exact same profile worked out for us?

 

Don't like that particularly. But beggers can't be choosers. Lily would be a positive boost to our SP staff and I'm all for it.

[XZero771679666304]

3 ER or less in how many innings? Those numbers don't tell us much. what happened in the other two starts? Selective stats like that are pretty pointless.

 

Ugh fine :)

 

In 06 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 4.55 and 4.31 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly hurt his ERA.

 

In 05 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 5.11 and 5.56 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

In 04 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 3.99 and 4.06 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

The net affect is that a claim that pitching against Bos/NYY adversely affected his ERA is untrue.

 

I thought you were debunking that coming to the NL would help him?

 

He just did, I think.

[nilodnayr]

3 ER or less in how many innings? Those numbers don't tell us much. what happened in the other two starts? Selective stats like that are pretty pointless.

 

Ugh fine :)

 

In 06 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 4.55 and 4.31 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly hurt his ERA.

 

In 05 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 5.11 and 5.56 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

In 04 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 3.99 and 4.06 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

The net affect is that a claim that pitching against Bos/NYY adversely affected his ERA is untrue.

 

I thought you were debunking that coming to the NL would help him?

 

He just did, I think.

 

I was debunking the belief that you need to take into consideration that Lilly pitched against the BoSox and Yank's offenses, implying that they had an adverse affect on his overall numbers. Over the last three years that is clearly not true.

[Mephistopheles]

It is if you factor out the Yankees. His ERAs against them have sucked a lot, I think the best the last few seasons was like 4.50. His ERA against the Sox has been like 3.00 the last three seasons overall. He's been quite the sox killer.

 

Dunno why, I've thought it has been because the Red Sox have been a left-handed heavy lineup most of the last three seasons with the exception of Manny and Millar. Lilly is murder on lefties.

[XZero771679666304]

3 ER or less in how many innings? Those numbers don't tell us much. what happened in the other two starts? Selective stats like that are pretty pointless.

 

Ugh fine :)

 

In 06 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 4.55 and 4.31 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly hurt his ERA.

 

In 05 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 5.11 and 5.56 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

In 04 his ERA vs Bos/NYY was 3.99 and 4.06 on the season. So pitching against those two teams slightly helped his ERA.

 

The net affect is that a claim that pitching against Bos/NYY adversely affected his ERA is untrue.

 

I thought you were debunking that coming to the NL would help him?

 

He just did, I think.

 

I was debunking the belief that you need to take into consideration that Lilly pitched against the BoSox and Yank's offenses, implying that they had an adverse affect on his overall numbers. Over the last three years that is clearly not true.

 

I know, I thought it was pretty clear.

[Flames24Rulz]

I'd rather have Padilla than either Lilly or Meche. Is that too much to ask for?

[XZero771679666304]

I'd rather have Padilla than either Lilly or Meche. Is that too much to ask for?

 

Not if you're willing to pay 9 to 10 million per year.