ESPN 1000 - Cubs are going after Schmidt next

[killthegoat06]

The Cards are going to bid on Schmidt's services.

 

Uggh please no.

[ctcf]

The Cards are going to bid on Schmidt's services.

 

Outstanding link

[baseball7897]

I fear they are going to overpay for 2 lesser free agents like Meche and Marquis, which to me seems like a foolish waste of money. We have guys that pitched last year that are likely to put up similar numbers for far less money. *sigh*

 

You guys are quickly jumping to conclusions about Gil Meche. You see his numbers and you quickly don't want him. The thing you're not seeing is the potential he has to succeed. He has a very live arm, still pretty young, sharp breaking curveball, and a potential Jason Schmidt changeup in the mix. I see his potential for more of a reason to sign him rather than his numbers.

 

He's had six years in the majors and will be 28 next year. When's this potential going to translate into results?

 

And that's fine if you like him, but you have to understand why people are skeptical of your opinion. He's been a below-average pitcher for four consecutive seasons and is an injury risk, which makes many people apprehensive of giving him a multi-year contract in the neighborhood of $8-9M per year.

 

Jason Schmidt struggled very much early in his career just like Meche has. Schmdit didn't hit his stride untill 2002. Before that, he was a average power pitcher with no changeup. When he developed his changeup in San Fran, he became a dominate pitcher. The same can be said for Meche. Meche has a developing changeup. Meche actually has an advantage over Schmdit. Meche has a better break on his curveball than Schmidt had when he was 28. Meche has the potential to be the next Jason Schmidt if he can develop his changeup.

Edited November 28, 2006 by baseball7897

[Vinestal]

I dont have a problem with you. None of your post directed at me bother me.

 

Would I pay $30 Million for a bullpen guy? Hell no. I know Cruz has been starting games for the D-Backs, and he doesnt impress me with his 6'2 155lb frame. Cruz has a better chance to succeed in the bullpen than he does in the rotation. If Juan Cruz were to be a FA seeking a bullpen job, then I don't see why he wouldn't have value for a team. If he were to be a FA this year I highly doubt he would be in the Gil Meche money range.

 

Ask any scout in the league, and I bet they'll tell you Cruz has better stuff than Meche.

 

I'm just trying to make the point that you can't always go for the guy with the better potential. Potential just isn't the same thing as production, and Meche's base level of production is exactly what we can expect from our young arms like Guzman or Marshall. Meche has never shown he can produce at a level worth near 9 million more than those guys... nor does he have any more potential than Guzman.

 

Meche isn't a smart signing.

 

Exactly, I just dont see the point of going out and getting more of what you already have. Its very likely that Guzman or Marshall put up as good or better numbers than Meche would.

[Guest]

I dont have a problem with you. None of your post directed at me bother me.

 

Would I pay $30 Million for a bullpen guy? Hell no. I know Cruz has been starting games for the D-Backs, and he doesnt impress me with his 6'2 155lb frame. Cruz has a better chance to succeed in the bullpen than he does in the rotation. If Juan Cruz were to be a FA seeking a bullpen job, then I don't see why he wouldn't have value for a team. If he were to be a FA this year I highly doubt he would be in the Gil Meche money range.

 

Ask any scout in the league, and I bet they'll tell you Cruz has better stuff than Meche.

 

I'm just trying to make the point that you can't always go for the guy with the better potential. Potential just isn't the same thing as production, and Meche's base level of production is exactly what we can expect from our young arms like Guzman or Marshall. Meche has never shown he can produce at a level worth near 9 million more than those guys... nor does he have any more potential than Guzman.

 

Meche isn't a smart signing.

 

Cruz can't throw a strike. You can't succeed in the major leagues if you can't throw strikes - for the most part anyway. I always thought he got squeezed a lot though - his movement fooled umpires.

 

Meche had great stuff - then he destroyed his shoulder. At this point, he gives up a lot of hits, a lot of walks, and a lot of homeruns. Not a good combination. To boot, he doesn't give you a lot of innings. Meche would not be a good signing because he threw 97 mph back in 2001.

[Guest]

I fear they are going to overpay for 2 lesser free agents like Meche and Marquis, which to me seems like a foolish waste of money. We have guys that pitched last year that are likely to put up similar numbers for far less money. *sigh*

 

You guys are quickly jumping to conclusions about Gil Meche. You see his numbers and you quickly don't want him. The thing you're not seeing is the potential he has to succeed. He has a very live arm, still pretty young, sharp breaking curveball, and a potential Jason Schmidt changeup in the mix. I see his potential for more of a reason to sign him rather than his numbers.

 

He's had six years in the majors and will be 28 next year. When's this potential going to translate into results?

 

And that's fine if you like him, but you have to understand why people are skeptical of your opinion. He's been a below-average pitcher for four consecutive seasons and is an injury risk, which makes many people apprehensive of giving him a multi-year contract in the neighborhood of $8-9M per year.

 

Jason Schmidt struggled very much early in his career just like Meche has. Schmdit didn't hit his stride untill 2002. Before that, he was a average power pitcher with no changeup. When he developed his changeup in San Fran, he became a dominate pitcher. The same can be said for Meche. Meche has a developing changeup. Meche actually has an advantage over Schmdit. Meche has a better break on his curveball than Schmidt had when he was 28. Meche has the potential to be the next Jason Schmidt if he can develop his changeup.

 

Jason Schmidt has always had much better stuff than post-surgery Meche.

[Rob]

I fear they are going to overpay for 2 lesser free agents like Meche and Marquis, which to me seems like a foolish waste of money. We have guys that pitched last year that are likely to put up similar numbers for far less money. *sigh*

 

You guys are quickly jumping to conclusions about Gil Meche. You see his numbers and you quickly don't want him. The thing you're not seeing is the potential he has to succeed. He has a very live arm, still pretty young, sharp breaking curveball, and a potential Jason Schmidt changeup in the mix. I see his potential for more of a reason to sign him rather than his numbers.

 

He's had six years in the majors and will be 28 next year. When's this potential going to translate into results?

 

And that's fine if you like him, but you have to understand why people are skeptical of your opinion. He's been a below-average pitcher for four consecutive seasons and is an injury risk, which makes many people apprehensive of giving him a multi-year contract in the neighborhood of $8-9M per year.

 

Jason Schmidt struggled very much early in his career just like Meche has. Schmdit didn't hit his stride untill 2002. Before that, he was a average power pitcher with no changeup. When he developed his changeup in San Fran, he became a dominate pitcher. The same can be said for Meche. Meche has a developing changeup. Meche actually has an advantage over Schmdit. Meche has a better break on his curveball than Schmidt had when he was 28. Meche has the potential to be the next Jason Schmidt if he can develop his changeup.

 

Schmidt had better years in 98 and 99 than Meche has ever had in his career.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

The Cards are going to bid on Schmidt's services.

 

Outstanding link

 

It was on the radio.

 

Here's the summary from the guy who interviewed him...

 

Link

 

 

 

* were looking at other 2B, but Kennedy really wanted to be here, and signed for less than what he would have gotten elsewhere. La Russa wanted him; thinks he's a tough, winning player.

 

* Talking to Alan Hendricks about Jason Schmidt.... has had a couple of good conversations...Jocketty indicates they will make a competitive bid for Schmidt... Hendricks is also Kip Wells' agent.

 

* Duncan really wanted Kip Wells -- ground ball machine, anxious to be here, they think a winning atmosphere will bring out the best in him.

 

* they did have a meeting in Florida with Soriano and his agent -- La Russa even flew in from California for the meeting -- but backed away when they found out Soriano wanted 8 years for over 100 million.

 

* still waiting on Wainwright and whether they will use him in relief or in the rotation.... depends on what they can do in finding a couple of starting pitchers.

 

* wants to add a veteran bat; reminded us about the wisdom of waiting for whether some guys are offered arbitration by their teams. (they don't want to give up draft picks).

 

* not much going on with Suppan or Weaver.... only one conversation so far with Boras (weaver's guy)... but he thinks they are waiting for the market to be set even more...

 

* is exploring both trades and FA for those two starting pitchers...

 

* So Taguchi will be back...

[Guest]

I could see Duncan turning Wells around. Not into a star or anything but into a decent pitcher.

[Vinestal]

Maybe the Cards will sign Meche lol we can hope

[3Dog]

I get KillTheGoat's avatar, though! :lol:

[killthegoat06]

Kinda off-topic ... but does anybody know when Prior and Hill become free agents. Also, are there any of our important players becoming free agents next year besides Zambrano and Barrett?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No Izturis is not important.

[Guest]

Kinda off-topic ... but does anybody know when Prior and Hill become free agents. Also, are there any of our important players becoming free agents next year besides Zambrano and Barrett?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No Izturis is not important.

 

Prior after 2008 and Hill after 2011. I think - actually didn't prior sign a non-arbitration contract?

[TruffleShuffle]

Schmidt had better years in 98 and 99 than Meche has ever had in his career.

 

Yup, plus he pitched over 200 innings in each of those years, something Meche has never done. Maybe Gil Meche will turn into a very good pitcher, but after four below-average ones, it's highly unlikely. I'd prefer not to gamble that he's one of the few guys that figures it out late.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

Prior after 2008 and Hill after 2011. I think - actually didn't prior sign a non-arbitration contract?

Prior opted out of his contract, so he no longer has a major league contract. I don't think Hill has a full year of service time yet; so he's ours through 2012 (if he stays in the majors other then a month or so)

[Bruce Miles]

Hmm so we have like 10 different places saying the Cubs offered Schmidt the 3 year deal, then Bruce Levine says we never did...Were do these other places get that news from? Pretty big since its a headline on SI.com and on rotoworld.com

 

It's Bruce Miles, and all the other sites got their information from the San Fransisco Chronicle. They probably got their info from Schmidt's agent, which Bruce said was probably a false rumor that the agent thought up.

 

I doubt that SI.com and ESPN would have it as such big news if there was only a blurb about it in the San Francisco Chronicle. Rotoworld, yes, but not SI or ESPN.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/11/28/schmidt.cubs/index.html

 

Thats from the main baseball page from a reporter over at SI.com

 

Yea I wasn't aware Bruce Miles' word was absolute truth these days.

 

I never said it was. Tell you what, guys, I'm done with this thread. We'll sort it all out after Schmidt either signs or doesn't sign with the Cubs. I gave you my best information as I have it as of this moment. Have fun.

[killthegoat06]

Hmm so we have like 10 different places saying the Cubs offered Schmidt the 3 year deal, then Bruce Levine says we never did...Were do these other places get that news from? Pretty big since its a headline on SI.com and on rotoworld.com

 

It's Bruce Miles, and all the other sites got their information from the San Fransisco Chronicle. They probably got their info from Schmidt's agent, which Bruce said was probably a false rumor that the agent thought up.

 

I doubt that SI.com and ESPN would have it as such big news if there was only a blurb about it in the San Francisco Chronicle. Rotoworld, yes, but not SI or ESPN.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/11/28/schmidt.cubs/index.html

 

Thats from the main baseball page from a reporter over at SI.com

 

Yea I wasn't aware Bruce Miles' word was absolute truth these days.

 

I never said it was. Tell you what, guys, I'm done with this thread. We'll sort it all out after Schmidt either signs or doesn't sign with the Cubs. I gave you my best information as I have it as of this moment. Have fun.

 

 

Thanks Bruce. We appreciate your reports. We know you are just helping us out. SOme people just like to hack the bringer of bad news.

[CUBZ99]

Hmm so we have like 10 different places saying the Cubs offered Schmidt the 3 year deal, then Bruce Levine says we never did...Were do these other places get that news from? Pretty big since its a headline on SI.com and on rotoworld.com

 

It's Bruce Miles, and all the other sites got their information from the San Fransisco Chronicle. They probably got their info from Schmidt's agent, which Bruce said was probably a false rumor that the agent thought up.

 

I doubt that SI.com and ESPN would have it as such big news if there was only a blurb about it in the San Francisco Chronicle. Rotoworld, yes, but not SI or ESPN.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/11/28/schmidt.cubs/index.html

 

Thats from the main baseball page from a reporter over at SI.com

 

Yea I wasn't aware Bruce Miles' word was absolute truth these days.

 

I never said it was. Tell you what, guys, I'm done with this thread. We'll sort it all out after Schmidt either signs or doesn't sign with the Cubs. I gave you my best information as I have it as of this moment. Have fun.

 

Thanks Bruce. You are one of the many reasons I love NSBB.

[PrimeTime]

Schimdt in the last 3 years has a 1.57 ERA at Wrigley...Hes a high fast ball pitcher,which is not good at wrigley on a hot day..But, damn he owns us..Hopefully if he signed with us he could do the same to everyone else

[3Dog]

Come back Bruce! :cry:

[killthegoat06]

Come back Bruce! :cry:

 

Only with good news. :wink:

[oldcubsfan]

Hmm so we have like 10 different places saying the Cubs offered Schmidt the 3 year deal, then Bruce Levine says we never did...Were do these other places get that news from? Pretty big since its a headline on SI.com and on rotoworld.com

 

It's Bruce Miles, and all the other sites got their information from the San Fransisco Chronicle. They probably got their info from Schmidt's agent, which Bruce said was probably a false rumor that the agent thought up.

 

I doubt that SI.com and ESPN would have it as such big news if there was only a blurb about it in the San Francisco Chronicle. Rotoworld, yes, but not SI or ESPN.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/11/28/schmidt.cubs/index.html

 

Thats from the main baseball page from a reporter over at SI.com

 

Yea I wasn't aware Bruce Miles' word was absolute truth these days.

 

I never said it was. Tell you what, guys, I'm done with this thread. We'll sort it all out after Schmidt either signs or doesn't sign with the Cubs. I gave you my best information as I have it as of this moment. Have fun.

 

Sorry to hear that. I appreciate your info, but your response seems at a lillte bit overly sensitive. Are you saying that the Cubs haven't approached Schimdt's agent about a deal at all?

I agree you are the best Cubs beat reporter, but do you think John Heyman is just making this up? I think he is highly respected in the industry for his work, so I just wonder if it is the contract details you think are wrong or the whole story? thanks for participating on the board. I know I appreciate your efforts.

[killthegoat06]

Comcast Sports Net "confirmed" our offer.

 

Should we be worried about the Cards in the race to sign Schmidt?

[CoolHandLuke]

They mentioned the contract offer during the Bulls pregame on CSN. They probably got their info from the national stories but it at least kinda gives the story some local backing.

[TruffleShuffle]

Comcast Sports Net "confirmed" our offer.

 

Should we be worried about the Cards in the race to sign Schmidt?

 

not really, unless the Cubs interest in him turns out to be false. If he's willing to leave the West Coast, the Cubs should be able to outbid the Cards for him. I don't see why the Cards want him anyway - just sign guys like Kip Wells or whoever off the scrap heap, and turn them into good pitchers.