Soriano and Lugo News?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Can someone please explain to me what is so special about Lugo? I'm sorry, Lugo's production would sucik for a CF (I think he's very overrated as a middle infielder), and I don't want to see Jones or Murton moved to accomodate him.

 

I know he's board persona non-grata, for whatever that's worth, but getting a .820 OPS/20+ HR corner outfielder to replace Jones for $4.5 million or less in this offseason market is not going to be as easy as some think

 

I don't like Lugo. I'd take him over Izturis, but I'd also take my neighbor Maria.

[A New Era]

Can someone please explain to me what is so special about Lugo? I'm sorry, Lugo's production would sucik for a CF (I think he's very overrated as a middle infielder), and I don't see Jones or Murton moved to accomodate him.

 

I know he's board persona non-grata, for whatever that's worth, but getting a .800 OPS/20+ HR corner outfielder to replace Jones $4.5 million in this offseason market is not going to be as easy as some think

 

Lugo gets on base more than Jacque Jones. But, I don't want him to play CF, either.

 

Right, if he replaces Izturis. YES PLEASE!! He is much more guaranteed to have around .340 OBP or so. Izturis, only if 2005 was because of injuries and 2006 was his true ability. . In other words, luck. And the cubs don't have that. .

[Roast]

This is kinda cool.

 

A: .256 .298 .371

B: .268 .298 .376

C: .259 .295 .336

D: .252 .283 .344

E: .244 .288 .350

F: .246 .289 .310

G: .268 .352 .377

 

Don't cheat. And you are not allowed to abstain. You must choose one to be on your team. Which one do you want? And yes, the middle column is OBP and the far right column is SLG. :D

 

Obviously G. Who is it?

[A New Era]

This is kinda cool.

 

A: .256 .298 .371

B: .268 .298 .376

C: .259 .295 .336

D: .252 .283 .344

E: .244 .288 .350

F: .246 .289 .310

G: .268 .352 .377

 

Don't cheat. And you are not allowed to abstain. You must choose one to be on your team. Which one do you want? And yes, the middle column is OBP and the far right column is SLG. :D

 

Important question. Is this last years stats, or carreer stats. And what is the lowest # of at bats (in other words taking all of them, how long has each played)?

[BigbadB]

I won't keep you guessing. These are career stats for:

 

A: .256 .298 .371 Jose Macias

B: .268 .298 .376 Neifi Perez

C: .259 .295 .336 Cesar Izturis

D: .252 .283 .344 Ronny Cedeno

E: .244 .288 .350 Enrique Wilson

F: .246 .289 .310 Rey Ordonez

G: .268 .352 .377 Delino DeShields

 

You just picked up a really old guy who put up a .192 .292 .308 line in his final season with the Cubs.

 

Nice job!

[Flames24Rulz]

I won't keep you guessing. These are career stats for:

 

A: .256 .298 .371 Jose Macias

B: .268 .298 .376 Neifi Perez

C: .259 .295 .336 Cesar Izturis

D: .252 .283 .344 Ronny Cedeno

E: .244 .288 .350 Enrique Wilson

F: .246 .289 .310 Rey Ordonez

G: .268 .352 .377 Delino DeShields

 

You just picked up a really old guy who put up a .192 .292 .308 line in his final season with the Cubs.

 

Nice job!

 

Ouch.

 

What a list :lol: That's the walking definition of being the tallest midget.

[BigbadB]

Sorry, I'm really bored.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I won't keep you guessing. These are career stats for:

 

A: .256 .298 .371 Jose Macias

B: .268 .298 .376 Neifi Perez

C: .259 .295 .336 Cesar Izturis

D: .252 .283 .344 Ronny Cedeno

E: .244 .288 .350 Enrique Wilson

F: .246 .289 .310 Rey Ordonez

G: .268 .352 .377 Delino DeShields

 

You just picked up a really old guy who put up a .192 .292 .308 line in his final season with the Cubs.

 

Nice job!

 

I don't get it.

[BigbadB]

Actually, my purpose was to expose Cesar Izturis for what he is.

[A New Era]

Actually, my purpose was to expose Cesar Izturis for what he is.

 

What is he?

[BigbadB]

Actually, my purpose was to expose Cesar Izturis for what he is.

 

What is he?

 

Hopefully not the Cubs starting SS next year.

[Brian]

Actually, my purpose was to expose Cesar Izturis for what he is.

 

What is he?

 

about on par with Jose Macias.

[nilodnayr]

My friend said they were talking about a Jones and Wuertz for Westbrook trade. Did they say this?

 

Kaplan said the other night, Hendry loves Murton, but that he almost guaranteed that Jones would not be with the team to start next year.

 

Schnikes that's good news if true!

 

thats fantastic news. Id try to change Wuertz to Eyre/Howry though, but thats still great. Westbrook would be a great #3/#4 option for the rotation, and would be a steady, solid arm for us for a good 2-3 years. I can't wait to see the type of improvement hed make going from the AL to the NL. He has pitched 200+ innings for 3 straight years, and doesnt walk to many batters. Those things are two attributes we need out of at least one of our starters next year.

 

Westbrook hits FA next offseason. Regardless, I think its a good trade.

[David]

At the same time it shows how dumb it is to base judgements of a player on career stats rather than last three years, trends, etc.

[BigbadB]

At the same time it shows how dumb it is to base judgements of a player on career stats rather than last three years, trends, etc.

 

Dumb? Wow. Okay, here's his last 3 years:

 

2006- 54 games, .245 .295 .318

2005- 106 games, .257 .302 .322

2004- 159 games, .288 .330 .381

 

He's clearly trending downward, etc...

[nilodnayr]

I love the trade of Jones and Wuertz for Westbrook that would be great deal by Hendry. We have plenty of arms in the pen that could fill Wuertz's slot like Marmol,Mateo,Guzman,Nova,Ardasma ect. The salaries would also be a wash and open up two outfield spots for Soranio and Drew to join Murton.

 

If the Cubs get Alph you can forget Drew.

 

The sad thing is that yesterday we could have afforded Sori, Drew, and had about 10M for pitching. However, we just spent 7M on a starter and a backup to replace min salary players who would likely serve the exact same purposes at the same production level.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Izturis sucks. He's good defensively, but he's as bad a hitter is as Neifi was. We complained about Alex Gonzalez, but Izturis is worse.

[David]

At the same time it shows how dumb it is to base judgements of a player on career stats rather than last three years, trends, etc.

 

Dumb? Wow. Okay, here's his last 3 years:

 

2006- 54 games, .245 .295 .318

2005- 106 games, .257 .302 .322

2004- 159 games, .288 .330 .381

 

He's clearly trending downward, etc...

 

WFT, mate?

 

I don't disagree with you at all.

 

My point was that your post showed why it's stupid to evaluate a player based on his career stats. In fact, that's exactly what your post and the ensuing one showing what Delino's most recent season stats were (compared to his career stats) demonstrated.

 

I don't know why you got the impression that I was arguing with you.

 

But thanks for the smart-ass response, :wink: .

Edited November 16, 2006 by David

[Blueheart05]

http://foxsports.foxnews.com/mlb/story/6174052

 

Ken Rosenthal has some interesting things to say about the Cubs...

 

NAPLES, Fla. - The Cubs, the most aggressive club at the general managers' meetings, are just getting started.

The team's ideal blueprint, according to new manager Lou Piniella, includes the addition of two more hitters and two starting pitchers.

The Cubs might not accomplish all that, but they've already added free-agent infielder Mark DeRosa and re-signed third baseman Aramis Ramirez and right-hander Kerry Wood for a combined $89.5 million.

If they signed free agent Alfonso Soriano, their No. 1 target, to play center, they likely would add a lesser outfield bat to alternate with Jacque Jones and Matt Murton.

 

Soriano figures to cost at least $90 million. A free-agent starting pitcher such as Ted Lilly or Gil Meche also will be expensive. The Cubs plan to trade for a second starter.

Perhaps the most fascinating development in the aftermath of the DeRosa signing is that the Cubs continue to pursue free agent Julio Lugo, whom they envision batting leadoff and possibly moving to center field, according to major-league sources.

Lugo, a shortstop for most of his career, probably would fit with the Cubs only if the team failed to land Soriano. He has played just one game in center, but he's a terrific athlete and high-energy player who was a favorite of Piniella's with the Devil Rays.

The Cubs also could trade shortstop Cesar Izturis, perhaps to the Red Sox, to create a spot for Lugo. Izturis, however, is valued for his defense - he won a Gold Glove in 2004 and was an All-Star in '05.

DeRosa will be the Cubs' regular at second and occasionally fill in at other positions; he turned down a chance to be the Giants' starting third baseman to sign with the Cubs, according to a source with knowledge of his offers.

[bhogg]

you know, if we could move DLee to catcher, we'd get some hella good production from behind the plate.

 

Maybe we could sign Barry Bonds and put him in the starting rotation.

 

Can you imagine that kind of stick out of a pitcher?? He'd be better than big Z.

 

 

 

Lugo a CF'er?? Huh?

[BigbadB]

At the same time it shows how dumb it is to base judgements of a player on career stats rather than last three years, trends, etc.

 

Dumb? Wow. Okay, here's his last 3 years:

 

2006- 54 games, .245 .295 .318

2005- 106 games, .257 .302 .322

2004- 159 games, .288 .330 .381

 

He's clearly trending downward, etc...

 

WFT, mate?

 

I don't disagree with you at all.

 

My point was that your post showed why it's stupid to evaluate a player based on his career stats. In fact, that's exactly what your post and the ensuing one showing what Delino's most recent season stats were (compared to his career stats) demonstrated.

 

I don't know why you got the impression that I was arguing with you.

 

But thanks for the smart-ass response, :wink: .

 

I liked your first response much better than your edited version. My response wasn't "smart ass". Maybe I took your response out of context, but if you go back and read the part I quoted, maybe you could possibly see how someone could take it out of context?

 

You pointed out that I should show stats for the last 3 years, trends, etc.. and I gave them to you. I thought I was being quite polite with my response considering I thought you were telling me I was dumb for using career stats.

[David]

At the same time it shows how dumb it is to base judgements of a player on career stats rather than last three years, trends, etc.

 

Dumb? Wow. Okay, here's his last 3 years:

 

2006- 54 games, .245 .295 .318

2005- 106 games, .257 .302 .322

2004- 159 games, .288 .330 .381

 

He's clearly trending downward, etc...

 

WFT, mate?

 

I don't disagree with you at all.

 

My point was that your post showed why it's stupid to evaluate a player based on his career stats. In fact, that's exactly what your post and the ensuing one showing what Delino's most recent season stats were (compared to his career stats) demonstrated.

 

I don't know why you got the impression that I was arguing with you.

 

But thanks for the smart-ass response, :wink: .

 

I liked your first response much better than your edited version. My response wasn't "smart ass". Maybe I took your response out of context, but if you go back and read the part I quoted, maybe you could possibly see how someone could take it out of context?

 

You pointed out that I should show stats for the last 3 years, trends, etc.. and I gave them to you. I thought I was being quite polite with my response considering I thought you were telling me I was dumb for using career stats.

 

Really, no need to get so worked up.

 

I noticed you threw the trend and the "etc." at the end in there in what I took as a smart-assy manner, and I was just kidding with you. Hence the smiley.

 

Why so defensive, B?

[BigbadB]

Been sitting here reading too long, I suppose. I've let this "Izturis and DeRosa is our awesome middle infield" stuff get to me. I should just go to bed.

 

Sorry.

[David]

Know what you mean. I reload the Transactions page 1000x a day hoping to see the title of the Drew thread changed to something like "ESPN Reports Cubs make offer to Drew!"

 

Wishful thinking, I know. Maybe I'd settle for Soriano.

[BigbadB]

http://foxsports.foxnews.com/mlb/story/6174052

 

Ken Rosenthal has some interesting things to say about the Cubs...

 

NAPLES, Fla. - The Cubs, the most aggressive club at the general managers' meetings, are just getting started.

The team's ideal blueprint, according to new manager Lou Piniella, includes the addition of two more hitters and two starting pitchers.

The Cubs might not accomplish all that, but they've already added free-agent infielder Mark DeRosa and re-signed third baseman Aramis Ramirez and right-hander Kerry Wood for a combined $89.5 million.

If they signed free agent Alfonso Soriano, their No. 1 target, to play center, they likely would add a lesser outfield bat to alternate with Jacque Jones and Matt Murton.

 

Soriano figures to cost at least $90 million. A free-agent starting pitcher such as Ted Lilly or Gil Meche also will be expensive. The Cubs plan to trade for a second starter.

Perhaps the most fascinating development in the aftermath of the DeRosa signing is that the Cubs continue to pursue free agent Julio Lugo, whom they envision batting leadoff and possibly moving to center field, according to major-league sources.

Lugo, a shortstop for most of his career, probably would fit with the Cubs only if the team failed to land Soriano. He has played just one game in center, but he's a terrific athlete and high-energy player who was a favorite of Piniella's with the Devil Rays.

The Cubs also could trade shortstop Cesar Izturis, perhaps to the Red Sox, to create a spot for Lugo. Izturis, however, is valued for his defense - he won a Gold Glove in 2004 and was an All-Star in '05.

DeRosa will be the Cubs' regular at second and occasionally fill in at other positions; he turned down a chance to be the Giants' starting third baseman to sign with the Cubs, according to a source with knowledge of his offers.

 

He definitely isn't holding his cards close to the vest like in previous years. And I find it a bit odd that he's so enamored with Soriano, but there's no mention of Drew. I'm fine with either. I'm not going to complain if he gets Soriano rather than Drew. But, this team is going to end up being very right handed when all is said and done.

 

Murton, Lugo, Soriano, Ramirez, DeRosa, Barrett, Lee. And there's talk of trading Jones, who could also be replaced by a RH hitter. Drew adds that extra dynamic and I'm a bit surprised Hendry wouldn't find some interest in that.