Any interest in Brian Giles?

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Per Rotoworld.com

 

According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Padres haven't ruled out dealing Brian Giles.

They hardly need the money. However, there might be a slight chance that the Padres would consider moving Giles and bringing in a younger replacement. Giles, who turns 36 in January, is owed $21 million for two years or $27 million for three, depending on whether his 2009 option is exercised. Under the terms of the deal, Giles had full no-trade protection last season. However, Giles he can now be shipped without his consent to 21 clubs. He still has no-trade protection for Boston, Baltimore, Detroit, Washington and four low revenue-clubs.

[baseball7897]

Per Rotoworld.com

 

According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Padres haven't ruled out dealing Brian Giles.

They hardly need the money. However, there might be a slight chance that the Padres would consider moving Giles and bringing in a younger replacement. Giles, who turns 36 in January, is owed $21 million for two years or $27 million for three, depending on whether his 2009 option is exercised. Under the terms of the deal, Giles had full no-trade protection last season. However, Giles he can now be shipped without his consent to 21 clubs. He still has no-trade protection for Boston, Baltimore, Detroit, Washington and four low revenue-clubs.

 

I would rather have Drew.

[b_wiggy_66]

No

[CubColtPacer]

I don't have any interest. He had a down year last year, and would have to return to one of his normal years to have the contract be a bargain, and that is a risk with his age. Plus, the Padres are not desperate to get rid of him, so the offer would have to be decent. Basically, signing him I'd think about it, but absolutely not on trading for him.

[ChiCubsFan]

Per Rotoworld.com

 

According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, the Padres haven't ruled out dealing Brian Giles.

They hardly need the money. However, there might be a slight chance that the Padres would consider moving Giles and bringing in a younger replacement. Giles, who turns 36 in January, is owed $21 million for two years or $27 million for three, depending on whether his 2009 option is exercised. Under the terms of the deal, Giles had full no-trade protection last season. However, Giles he can now be shipped without his consent to 21 clubs. He still has no-trade protection for Boston, Baltimore, Detroit, Washington and four low revenue-clubs.

 

I would rather have Drew.

 

Well technically you could have both. Trade JJ for Giles and sign Drew for CF. Not sure if Giles is much better than JJ at this point in his career.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Depends on who we give up to get him. His power has gone way down. I love that OBP.

 

I'd check out his footspeed before sticking him in front of Theriot or Lee in our lineup. He certainly wouldn't slow ARam or Barrett down.

[goonys evil twin]

If it was just a salary dump, maybe. If they pick up some of the salary, definitely.

[CoolHandLuke]

I would definately make a move for Giles. He may not be any better than Jacque at this point, but he is definately better than him at one of biggest weaknesses, OBP.

 

Trade Jacque and pieces for Giles and cash

sign Drew

sign 2B(Durham?)

 

Giles RF

Murton LF

Drew CF

Lee 1B

Aramis 3B

Durham 2B

Barrett C

Theriot SS

 

I don't know if the money would work but that would be a great lineup (as long as everyone stays healthy)

[ChiCubsFan]

I would definately make a move for Giles. He may not be any better than Jacque at this point, but he is definately better than him at one of biggest weaknesses, OBP.

 

Trade Jacque and pieces for Giles and cash

sign Drew

sign 2B(Durham?)

 

Giles RF

Murton LF

Drew CF

Lee 1B

Aramis 3B

Durham 2B

Barrett C

Theriot SS

 

I don't know if the money would work but that would be a great lineup (as long as everyone stays healthy)

 

Not bad but you would absolutely need to get a solid 4th outfielder. Ryan Church, maybe?

[CoolHandLuke]

I would definately make a move for Giles. He may not be any better than Jacque at this point, but he is definately better than him at one of biggest weaknesses, OBP.

 

Trade Jacque and pieces for Giles and cash

sign Drew

sign 2B(Durham?)

 

Giles RF

Murton LF

Drew CF

Lee 1B

Aramis 3B

Durham 2B

Barrett C

Theriot SS

 

I don't know if the money would work but that would be a great lineup (as long as everyone stays healthy)

 

Not bad but you would absolutely need to get a solid 4th outfielder. Ryan Church, maybe?

 

He is really underappreciated in Washington it seems but I still bet he would cost too much to be put on the bench. If we could swindle Bowden I would be all for that.

[fromthestretch]

Depends on what the Padres would want in return. $10.5 mil per year over the next two is less than Drew will get. Both Drew and Giles offer flexibility as far as where they can play in the outfield. Both will give you at least a .370 OBP, with a possibility of surpassing .400 in that category. Drew will obviously give you more power, but a return to 20 homers isn't out of the question for Giles in a smaller park. Even if the power doesn't return, his OBP would be ideal at the top of the order.

[BigbadB]

I would definitely take him. Jacque Jones is a San Diego native. He's younger and can cover more ground defensively. But, I'm not sure I'd offer up much more than that.

 

I watch Giles quite a bit being here in San Diego. His power isn't really as sapped as people tend to believe. The park effect has really impacted Giles' offensive numbers in a huge way.

 

But, getting Brian Giles might work out well to get Marcus too. :wink:

[baseball7897]

I would definately make a move for Giles. He may not be any better than Jacque at this point, but he is definately better than him at one of biggest weaknesses, OBP.

 

Trade Jacque and pieces for Giles and cash

sign Drew

sign 2B(Durham?)

 

Giles RF

Murton LF

Drew CF

Lee 1B

Aramis 3B

Durham 2B

Barrett C

Theriot SS

 

I don't know if the money would work but that would be a great lineup (as long as everyone stays healthy)

 

Not bad but you would absolutely need to get a solid 4th outfielder. Ryan Church, maybe?

 

Jay Payton?

[Abe Frohman]

Brian Giles is a significant upgrade over Jacque Jones in RF. That is a straight-up trade that I would love to see happen. I don't understand the idea of hitting him leadoff, but he would be a great #2 or #5/6 hitter. His decrease in power doesn't change my opinion of him as a hitter.

[CubColtPacer]

I would definitely take him. Jacque Jones is a San Diego native. He's younger and can cover more ground defensively. But, I'm not sure I'd offer up much more than that.

 

I watch Giles quite a bit being here in San Diego. His power isn't really as sapped as people tend to believe. The park effect has really impacted Giles' offensive numbers in a huge way.

 

But, getting Brian Giles might work out well to get Marcus too. :wink:

 

The only problem with the Petco theory is that his splits aren't that different this year:

OBP and slugging

.378/.384 at home

.369/.410 on the road

 

I'd attribute it to just more of a down year (as his splits were pretty large last year) but I have no idea if he would rebound from that.

[muntjack]

I would definitely take him. Jacque Jones is a San Diego native. He's younger and can cover more ground defensively. But, I'm not sure I'd offer up much more than that.

 

I watch Giles quite a bit being here in San Diego. His power isn't really as sapped as people tend to believe. The park effect has really impacted Giles' offensive numbers in a huge way.

 

But, getting Brian Giles might work out well to get Marcus too. :wink:

 

The only problem with the Petco theory is that his splits aren't that different this year:

OBP and slugging

.378/.384 at home

.369/.410 on the road

 

I'd attribute it to just more of a down year (as his splits were pretty large last year) but I have no idea if he would rebound from that.

 

Any chance that he was just being smart and adjusting to the park?

[ChiCubsFan]

I would definitely take him. Jacque Jones is a San Diego native. He's younger and can cover more ground defensively. But, I'm not sure I'd offer up much more than that.

 

I watch Giles quite a bit being here in San Diego. His power isn't really as sapped as people tend to believe. The park effect has really impacted Giles' offensive numbers in a huge way.

 

But, getting Brian Giles might work out well to get Marcus too. :wink:

 

The only problem with the Petco theory is that his splits aren't that different this year:

OBP and slugging

.378/.384 at home

.369/.410 on the road

 

I'd attribute it to just more of a down year (as his splits were pretty large last year) but I have no idea if he would rebound from that.

 

Even if he doesn't rebound, that .370+ OBP would be awfully nice. I think they would probably go for a JJ for Giles straight up trade too.

 

Jay Payton as 4th outfielder? Not a horrible choice, but he probably wants more than I'd be willing to pay him. I'd really look into Ryan Church. He might cost too much, but he'd be a really nice 4th outfielder to have.

[TheDude]

Brian Giles is a significant upgrade over Jacque Jones in RF. That is a straight-up trade that I would love to see happen. I don't understand the idea of hitting him leadoff, but he would be a great #2 or #5/6 hitter. His decrease in power doesn't change my opinion of him as a hitter.

 

The numbers do not support this. Jones OPS last year was .062 points higher than Giles, for nearly half the cost.

 

The OPS+ for Giles was only slightly less than Jones, but it was still less. Granted Jones had a career year, but Giles downward trend is consistent and notable. He is no more likely to reverse the trend than Jones is to repeat his 2006 year.

 

So Giles is far from a 'significant upgrade' over Jones, when his production is likely to equal Jones going forward at twice the price no less.

[HoopsCubs]

Brian Giles is a significant upgrade over Jacque Jones in RF. That is a straight-up trade that I would love to see happen. I don't understand the idea of hitting him leadoff, but he would be a great #2 or #5/6 hitter. His decrease in power doesn't change my opinion of him as a hitter.

 

The numbers do not support this. Jones OPS last year was .062 points higher than Giles, for nearly half the cost.

 

The OPS+ for Giles was only slightly less than Jones, but it was still less. Granted Jones had a career year, but Giles downward trend is consistent and notable. He is no more likely to reverse the trend than Jones is to repeat his 2006 year.

 

So Giles is far from a 'significant upgrade' over Jones, when his production is likely to equal Jones going forward at twice the price no less.

 

But Jones and Giles are night and day when it comes to OBP. And so if Giles is hitting ahead of a healthy Lee and a motivated Ramirez, it could be run city...

[ChiCubsFan]

Brian Giles is a significant upgrade over Jacque Jones in RF. That is a straight-up trade that I would love to see happen. I don't understand the idea of hitting him leadoff, but he would be a great #2 or #5/6 hitter. His decrease in power doesn't change my opinion of him as a hitter.

 

The numbers do not support this. Jones OPS last year was .062 points higher than Giles, for nearly half the cost.

 

The OPS+ for Giles was only slightly less than Jones, but it was still less. Granted Jones had a career year, but Giles downward trend is consistent and notable. He is no more likely to reverse the trend than Jones is to repeat his 2006 year.

 

So Giles is far from a 'significant upgrade' over Jones, when his production is likely to equal Jones going forward at twice the price no less.

 

But OPS doesn't tell the whole story. OPS favors high slugging players. Giles OBP is going to be at least .030 points higher, probably much more. That's a very big margin. Also, Giles moving to a new team and into a better hitter's park, could possibly return his numbers closer to his '05 numbers. I'd say the increase in OBP and chance of him returning to his numbers before 2006 is worth the extra cost.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd likely look at a Jones for Giles swap and might even throw in a young arm to get it done. Giles' OBP would look nice in RF. The Padres might do the deal if they want to save some money.

 

I wouldn't make an all-out push for him, but Jones + Novoa would be something I would consider.

 

Could we interest the Padres in Izturis for 2b? Jones + Izturis would be close to a wash in salaries.

[TheDude]

I would much rather the Cubs sign Drew than pursue Giles at this point. I'm not going to be upset if the Cubs pursue Giles and trade Jones, unless the Cubs eat all of Giles salary. That would be a prohibitive mistake that might cost the Cubs a shot at higher end starting pitcher.

[goonys evil twin]

I would much rather the Cubs sign Drew than pursue Giles at this point. I'm not going to be upset if the Cubs pursue Giles and trade Jones, unless the Cubs eat all of Giles salary. That would be a prohibitive mistake that might cost the Cubs a shot at higher end starting pitcher.

 

I would much prefer Drew as well.

[Guest]

Murton, Drew & Giles would be a heck of an OBP outfield and would likely have enough power given ARam and DLee in the IF.

[TheDude]

Brian Giles is a significant upgrade over Jacque Jones in RF. That is a straight-up trade that I would love to see happen. I don't understand the idea of hitting him leadoff, but he would be a great #2 or #5/6 hitter. His decrease in power doesn't change my opinion of him as a hitter.

 

The numbers do not support this. Jones OPS last year was .062 points higher than Giles, for nearly half the cost.

 

The OPS+ for Giles was only slightly less than Jones, but it was still less. Granted Jones had a career year, but Giles downward trend is consistent and notable. He is no more likely to reverse the trend than Jones is to repeat his 2006 year.

 

So Giles is far from a 'significant upgrade' over Jones, when his production is likely to equal Jones going forward at twice the price no less.

 

But OPS doesn't tell the whole story. OPS favors high slugging players. Giles OBP is going to be at least .030 points higher, probably much more. That's a very big margin. Also, Giles moving to a new team and into a better hitter's park, could possibly return his numbers closer to his '05 numbers. I'd say the increase in OBP and chance of him returning to his numbers before 2006 is worth the extra cost.

 

Here's the trouble I have this post. First, how often do 35 year old players rebound from significant down years? Second, the Cubs need slugging as much as they need OBP right now. You can sign OBP in the form Drew and/or Durham without giving up any talent.

 

Jones is very servicable in RF. The Cubs need to address CF, 2B, and starting pitching before even considering replacing the servicable position players out there.

 

If the Cubs deal Jones for Giles, they haven't actually addressed any holes, just added salary for similar overall production.