College Football - Week of 11/18

[Andy]

I take it back, Florida did just drop from 3 to 4 after the WCU game, so ND's not alone. Give the voters credit for that at least.

 

I still don't understand why Florida is ahead of Arkansas but at least the Hogs get a chance on the field to prove they are better.

I do. Florida was ranked higher to start the year. Come on Cuse, get with the program! :D

[CuseCubFan69]

And i was wrong earlier, WVU was eliminated by virtue of Cincy's Win tonight. When RU/WVU get together, RU gets the bid if they win and Louisville goes if WVU wins.

 

So whomever it is, i think they will play NDU in the Orange Bowl.

In that case:

 

Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma (Big 12) vs. Boise State (at large)

Rose Bowl - USC (Pac-10) vs. Florida (at large)

Sugar Bowl - ND (at large) vs. Arkansas (SEC)

Orange Bowl - Georgia Tech (ACC) vs. Louisville (Big East)

National title game - OSU (Big 10) vs. Michigan (at large)

 

- The Big 10 and Pac-10 champs are contracted with the Rose Bowl, the Big 12 champs with the Fiesta, the SEC with the Sugar, and the ACC with the Orange. The first pick of the other eligible teams goes to whatever bowl(s) lose their contracted teams to the title game, then it goes Sugar/Orange/Fiesta.

 

- The Rose Bowl will get the first pick since they lost OSU to the title game, but they won't want a USC/ND rematch (and they can't take Wisconsin to recreate the Big 10/Pac-10 rematch, which they say they'll do whenever possible), so they'll take Florida.

 

- Then the Sugar Bowl picks, and they'll take ND.

 

- Then the Orange, who will take Louisville.

 

- Then the Fiesta will be stuck with Boise State.

 

This would be just the way it'll go. That way the Big East team plays the ACC instead of the SEC or Big 10 team and that would prove that we belonged, now it's a lose/lose situation once again.

 

As I said a couple pages back, it wouldn't be out of the question for WVU to get a second BCS bid for the Big East if they win out.

 

They would deserve it but I don't think the good old boys would allow it.

[soccer10k]

And i was wrong earlier, WVU was eliminated by virtue of Cincy's Win tonight. When RU/WVU get together, RU gets the bid if they win and Louisville goes if WVU wins.

 

So whomever it is, i think they will play NDU in the Orange Bowl.

In that case:

 

Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma (Big 12) vs. Boise State (at large)

Rose Bowl - USC (Pac-10) vs. Florida (at large)

Sugar Bowl - ND (at large) vs. Arkansas (SEC)

Orange Bowl - Georgia Tech (ACC) vs. Louisville (Big East)

National title game - OSU (Big 10) vs. Michigan (at large)

 

- The Big 10 and Pac-10 champs are contracted with the Rose Bowl, the Big 12 champs with the Fiesta, the SEC with the Sugar, and the ACC with the Orange. The first pick of the other eligible teams goes to whatever bowl(s) lose their contracted teams to the title game, then it goes Sugar/Orange/Fiesta.

 

- The Rose Bowl will get the first pick since they lost OSU to the title game, but they won't want a USC/ND rematch (and they can't take Wisconsin to recreate the Big 10/Pac-10 rematch, which they say they'll do whenever possible), so they'll take Florida.

 

- Then the Sugar Bowl picks, and they'll take ND.

 

- Then the Orange, who will take Louisville.

 

- Then the Fiesta will be stuck with Boise State.

 

This would be just the way it'll go. That way the Big East team plays the ACC instead of the SEC or Big 10 team and that would prove that we belonged, now it's a lose/lose situation once again.

 

As I said a couple pages back, it wouldn't be out of the question for WVU to get a second BCS bid for the Big East if they win out.

 

They would deserve it but I don't think the good old boys would allow it.

 

At the end of the year they'll likely be the highest ranked team that doesn't get an automatic berth.

[jjgman21]

wow. USC will probably need a big time blowout to avoid a rematch for the National Championship

[Andy]

wow. USC will probably need a big time blowout to avoid a rematch for the National Championship

USC can and should be #2 if they beat ND, no matter the margin. They have played the strongest schedule of any contender, by far.

[soccer10k]

wow. USC will probably need a big time blowout to avoid a rematch for the National Championship

USC can and should be #2 if they beat ND, no matter the margin. They have played the strongest schedule of any contender, by far.

 

Yeah, USC has jumped Michigan in both the Coaches Poll and the Harris Poll. BCS standings aren't out yet but if they beat ND, their ranking will improve.

[jjgman21]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

[soccer10k]

Michigan still #2 in BCS.

 

Link

[jjgman21]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Kansas is clearly better than Rutgers. they beat Kansas State who beat Texas while some Big East team beat Kansas State.

[soccer10k]

New BCS Standings

[CuseCubFan69]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Kansas is clearly better than Rutgers. they beat Kansas State who beat Texas while some Big East team beat Kansas State.

 

When did they join the Big 10? I showed what happend with 4 teams and actual games between the Big East and Big 10. Also, both games were in Big 10 land.

[Soul]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Illini actually beat Cuse the year before. Cuse and UConn being two mid-range Big East clubs beating the 2 dregs of the Big 10 means nothing in a one game deal. Beat MN & MSU (two mid-range Big 10 teams) after having gone through a Big 10 schedule like they do, and you might have something. Until then, it's still meaningless and the Big East isn't the conference the Big 10 is.

[Soul]

New BCS Standings

 

Looks like USC & Florida have a shot if they both win.

 

Interesting that Arkansas looks to have no shot no matter what, but Florida does.

 

Not sure about ND........if they beat SC, it would be very close.

 

WV/Lou not possible.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Illini actually beat Cuse the year before. Cuse and UConn being two mid-range Big East clubs beating the 2 dregs of the Big 10 means nothing in a one game deal. Beat MN & MSU (two mid-range Big 10 teams) after having gone through a Big 10 schedule like they do, and you might have something. Until then, it's still meaningless and the Big East isn't the conference the Big 10 is.

 

Sorry but Syracuse and Illinois didn't play last year. Cuse and UConn are in last place in the Big East.

[Soul]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Illini actually beat Cuse the year before. Cuse and UConn being two mid-range Big East clubs beating the 2 dregs of the Big 10 means nothing in a one game deal. Beat MN & MSU (two mid-range Big 10 teams) after having gone through a Big 10 schedule like they do, and you might have something. Until then, it's still meaningless and the Big East isn't the conference the Big 10 is.

 

Sorry but Syracuse and Illinois didn't play last year. Cuse and UConn are in last place in the Big East.

 

Yeah OK, the entire country realizes the Big East isn't on the level of the big 3 conferences. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, that's fine. But you're wrong. Big East might have some nice schools and might be putting out some decent kids, but overall it's not the same level of football over the course of a season. Maybe it will be someday, but it isn't right now.

[soccer10k]

New BCS Standings

 

Looks like USC & Florida have a shot if they both win.

 

Interesting that Arkansas looks to have no shot no matter what, but Florida does.

 

Not sure about ND........if they beat SC, it would be very close.

 

WV/Lou not possible.

 

ND has no shot because they lost to Michigan. The polls would put Michigan ahead of ND for that reason. And Michigan's computer ranking is and will be higer.

 

I think Arkansas has an outside shot because their computer ranking is killing them and with wins over LSU and Florida that will only improve. That, of course, hinges upon ND beating USC.

[soccer10k]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Illini actually beat Cuse the year before. Cuse and UConn being two mid-range Big East clubs beating the 2 dregs of the Big 10 means nothing in a one game deal. Beat MN & MSU (two mid-range Big 10 teams) after having gone through a Big 10 schedule like they do, and you might have something. Until then, it's still meaningless and the Big East isn't the conference the Big 10 is.

 

Sorry but Syracuse and Illinois didn't play last year. Cuse and UConn are in last place in the Big East.

 

Yeah OK, the entire country realizes the Big East isn't on the level of the big 3 conferences. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, that's fine. But you're wrong. Big East might have some nice schools and might be putting out some decent kids, but overall it's not the same level of football over the course of a season. Maybe it will be someday, but it isn't right now.

 

The entire country also thinks that wins are an excellent metric for evaluating pitchers but does that make them right also?

[CuseCubFan69]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Illini actually beat Cuse the year before. Cuse and UConn being two mid-range Big East clubs beating the 2 dregs of the Big 10 means nothing in a one game deal. Beat MN & MSU (two mid-range Big 10 teams) after having gone through a Big 10 schedule like they do, and you might have something. Until then, it's still meaningless and the Big East isn't the conference the Big 10 is.

 

Sorry but Syracuse and Illinois didn't play last year. Cuse and UConn are in last place in the Big East.

 

Yeah OK, the entire country realizes the Big East isn't on the level of the big 3 conferences. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, that's fine. But you're wrong. Big East might have some nice schools and might be putting out some decent kids, but overall it's not the same level of football over the course of a season. Maybe it will be someday, but it isn't right now.

 

The entire country also thinks that wins are an excellent metric for evaluating pitchers but does that make them right also?

 

Also the teams are all young with 6 QB's that are Sophmores or less. It's only going to get better IMO so face it Big 10, SEC and Big 12...we are no longer just a basketball conference! Of course the "established leagues" voting in the coaches poll will try to keep us down.

[jjgman21]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Kansas is clearly better than Rutgers. they beat Kansas State who beat Texas while some Big East team beat Kansas State.

 

When did they join the Big 10? I showed what happend with 4 teams and actual games between the Big East and Big 10. Also, both games were in Big 10 land.

 

I was making a point about the nth degrees of Kevin Bacon. who mentioned Ill and In...even though In is better than NW.

 

it's also pretty unfair to not put that UConn/Indiana game into context.

[jjgman21]

clearly the 2006 NL Central was just as good as the AL Central last year. noone thinks so? well everyone thinks wins are a good way to measure the effectiveness of a pitcher.

[cubweiser03]

USC has the edge Vs Michigan in both the Harris and Coaches but are losing in the puter and the margin for the puter is enough to overcome the points in Harris and the Coaches. Michigan is barely trailing USC in both the human polls. If USC wins next week they might sway the voters that have Michigan #2 and help their points to overcome the computers. I wonder if Florida or Arkansas will amass enough points in the humans to overtake Michigan? My first impression is they wont overtake Michigan. IF USC loses next week Michigan will pick up a lot of those USC 2nd place voters.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Kansas is clearly better than Rutgers. they beat Kansas State who beat Texas while some Big East team beat Kansas State.

 

When did they join the Big 10? I showed what happend with 4 teams and actual games between the Big East and Big 10. Also, both games were in Big 10 land.

 

I was making a point about the nth degrees of Kevin Bacon. who mentioned Ill and In...even though In is better than NW.

 

it's also pretty unfair to not put that UConn/Indiana game into context.

 

That's because they actually played and the establishment doesn't like to go by facts of actual head to head competition. It's just much nicer for the "bigger" conferences to have this imaginary world where they are better. Also, they don't want the Big East to be good because that means that they can't come in here and recruit our kids.

[Soul]

 

The Big 10 has two, maybe three (we'll see with Wisconsin) good teams. The rest of the conference is crap. You don't think WVU and Louisville could go crazy on the likes of MSU, Minnesota and Northwestern? Now the Pac-10 which is a conference known for offense. You don't think Louisville could put up those numbers there? You, my friend, are the one that needs to get real.

 

nowhere near to the extent they can go crazy on the Big East teams.

 

the comparison is UConn and South Florida and Syracuse v. MSU, MN, and NW.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois and UConn beat Indiana what's your point again?

 

Illini actually beat Cuse the year before. Cuse and UConn being two mid-range Big East clubs beating the 2 dregs of the Big 10 means nothing in a one game deal. Beat MN & MSU (two mid-range Big 10 teams) after having gone through a Big 10 schedule like they do, and you might have something. Until then, it's still meaningless and the Big East isn't the conference the Big 10 is.

 

Sorry but Syracuse and Illinois didn't play last year. Cuse and UConn are in last place in the Big East.

 

Yeah OK, the entire country realizes the Big East isn't on the level of the big 3 conferences. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, that's fine. But you're wrong. Big East might have some nice schools and might be putting out some decent kids, but overall it's not the same level of football over the course of a season. Maybe it will be someday, but it isn't right now.

 

The entire country also thinks that wins are an excellent metric for evaluating pitchers but does that make them right also?

 

Also the teams are all young with 6 QB's that are Sophmores or less. It's only going to get better IMO so face it Big 10, SEC and Big 12...we are no longer just a basketball conference! Of course the "established leagues" voting in the coaches poll will try to keep us down.

 

Well I'm all for a playoff system, so getting rid of the Bowl 'establishment' is just fine with me.

[CuseCubFan69]

Also the teams are all young with 6 QB's that are Sophmores or less. It's only going to get better IMO so face it Big 10, SEC and Big 12...we are no longer just a basketball conference! Of course the "established leagues" voting in the coaches poll will try to keep us down.

 

Well I'm all for a playoff system, so getting rid of the Bowl 'establishment' is just fine with me.

 

As am I and we would still be arguing because I'd think the BE deserves 2 teams Louisville and Rutgers and you'd think that Wisconsin would be in there instead!