Week 10: Bears at NY Giants - Sunday, Nov 12, 8:15 pm EST

[CubmanPi]

Wow.

 

Watch this amazing video of Devin Hester returns during his stint at the University of Miami

 

Just make sure to mute the crappy music.

Wow. It's obvious now why he dances around so much and runs backward trying to make things happen. He used to have almost completely free reign on the field whenever the ball was in his hands. That last one against Duke was particularly ridiculous.

[Balsa]

Wow.

 

Watch this amazing video of Devin Hester returns during his stint at the University of Miami

 

Just make sure to mute the crappy music.

Wow. It's obvious now why he dances around so much and runs backward trying to make things happen. He used to have almost completely free reign on the field whenever the ball was in his hands. That last one against Duke was particularly ridiculous.

Exactly my thoughts. No question he has to tone it down a notch against the NFL players, but I can't help but wonder how good he's really gonna be in a year or two.

[cubweiser03]

If Hester had downed it in the end zone wouldnt they have gotten it on the 20 and not the 42? IF you touch a blocked field goal you get it wherever you go down. I dont see why catching it in the end zone gives you the chance to get it at the spot of the kick.

 

I still think its worth the risk because its Hester.

[Banedon]

Wikipedia has already added Hesters return to the "field goal" entry...I love wikipedia...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_goal#Missed_Field_Goals

[UMFan83]

If Hester had downed it in the end zone wouldnt they have gotten it on the 20 and not the 42? IF you touch a blocked field goal you get it wherever you go down. I dont see why catching it in the end zone gives you the chance to get it at the spot of the kick.

 

I still think its worth the risk because its Hester.

 

No, I read somewhere that if he didn't attempt to return it and took a knee, the Bears would have gotten it at the 42 as if he didn't catch it. But once he tried to return it, he ran the risk of taking it wherever he was tackled. That's why the Giants were walking off the field, because they assumed that the Bears were going to accept the good field position and not even dare attempt a return.

[UMFan83]

Wikipedia has already added Hesters return to the "field goal" entry...I love wikipedia...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_goal#Missed_Field_Goals

 

Yes, Wikipedia is great....except I wonder how long it would take them to catch it if I added that Ted Washington also returned a missed FG for a TD thanks to excellent blocking by Mr. T and the rest of the A team.

[UK1679666180]

What happens if he tries to catch the missed FG, he misses it and bounces out of the back of the end zone? I assume that's a safety.

[UMFan83]

What happens if he tries to catch the missed FG, he misses it and bounces out of the back of the end zone? I assume that's a safety.

 

Good question...my guess is that it would be placed at the spot of the kick, not a safety. Reason being, if a player on the opposing team managed to get a finger on the kick and it ended up resulting in a missed FG that bounced out of the back of the end zone it would not be a safety.

[UK1679666180]

What happens if he tries to catch the missed FG, he misses it and bounces out of the back of the end zone? I assume that's a safety.

 

Good question...my guess is that it would be placed at the spot of the kick, not a safety. Reason being, if a player on the opposing team managed to get a finger on the kick and it ended up resulting in a missed FG that bounced out of the back of the end zone it would not be a safety.

 

You're probably right, possession would have to be proven. Now, if he has possession starts to run out and has a Charlie Brown moment by starting to run it out dropping it and then having it go out the end zone, it might be a safety.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'm sad that shavo hasn't shown up in this thread since the game.

 

i haven't remarked on the play of the corners. they may not be "shut-down"-type guys, but they sure know how to play in the bears' scheme and they're rarely beaten.

 

it's also about time that bears fans ease up on peanut, he's a very, very good corner. i think that he's got a bit of the kerry wood-mark prior stigma. he busted out with a huge play against moss in 03 and then everyone expected him to just destroy receivers with thunderbolts from his arse. he's no champ bailey, but who is?

 

vasher is also proving to be more than just a ballhawk.

[thedaymen]

I was at the game on Sunday (and will be at the game this Sunday) and here are a couple of thoughts:

 

1) Its a bad sign that Rex couldn't do anything in bad weather since we're counting on him coming up big in Soldier Field in January. Something that could use some improvement.

 

2) The fans around me seemed upset about single coverage on Plax, but I think that was the plan. You know Manning to Plax isn't going to get enough yards to beat you if thats all their getting. Without Toomer, and with Shockey getting good coverage, they were reliant on Tim Carter and David Tyree to make some plays. We all saw how that worked out.

 

3) Brad Maynard looked awful. If it weren't for THE RETURN I would have given the special teams an "F". Even with another fg for Gould.

 

4) Jones doesn't look in bad in person as he does on TV. There was a lot of focus in the past two days from friends of mine that are Giants fans that his run at the end of the second was the turning point in the game. Maybe the Giants will trade for him to help Jacobs replace TIKI. No, I'm not suggesting that TJ will ever be the back Tiki is.

 

5) Two games in a row where the Bears couldn't stop the run at all. The Jets don't present nearly the rushing attack that the Giants do...but the D Line and linebackers need to close those holes faster.

 

8 o'clock games=8 hours of tailgating = tons of fun. I want more night games!

[UMFan83]

18-30 for 246 yards and 3 TDs (with 1 INT) is considered doing 'nothing' in the bad weather?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

18-30 for 246 yards and 3 TDs (with 1 INT) is considered doing 'nothing' in the bad weather?

 

No kidding.

[goonys evil twin]

I was at the game on Sunday (and will be at the game this Sunday) and here are a couple of thoughts:

 

1) Its a bad sign that Rex couldn't do anything in bad weather since we're counting on him coming up big in Soldier Field in January. Something that could use some improvement.

 

2) The fans around me seemed upset about single coverage on Plax, but I think that was the plan. You know Manning to Plax isn't going to get enough yards to beat you if thats all their getting. Without Toomer, and with Shockey getting good coverage, they were reliant on Tim Carter and David Tyree to make some plays. We all saw how that worked out.

 

3) Brad Maynard looked awful. If it weren't for THE RETURN I would have given the special teams an "F". Even with another fg for Gould.

 

4) Jones doesn't look in bad in person as he does on TV. There was a lot of focus in the past two days from friends of mine that are Giants fans that his run at the end of the second was the turning point in the game. Maybe the Giants will trade for him to help Jacobs replace TIKI. No, I'm not suggesting that TJ will ever be the back Tiki is.

 

5) Two games in a row where the Bears couldn't stop the run at all. The Jets don't present nearly the rushing attack that the Giants do...but the D Line and linebackers need to close those holes faster.

 

8 o'clock games=8 hours of tailgating = tons of fun. I want more night games!

 

Saying Grossman did nothing in bad weather is just incorrect. I know it got a little less bad as the game went on, but it at least misted for most of the game, and while the seating area didn't seem to windy, the field itself, as usual, had swirling winds. If you looked at the flags on the goal posts, this was obvious. It poured just before halftime, and rained steadily multiple times during the game. Eli looked affected, Rex did not. I remember one specific terrible punt by Marnard, but I don't think he was awful, given the wind conditions. Giants Stadium screws with kicks, much more than Soldier Field does.

[biittner77]

Giants Stadium screws with kicks, much more than Soldier Field does.

 

Sean Lendetta disagrees.

[thedaymen]

It was not raining on any of Rex's td passes. None of them. It was not raining on any drive where the Bears scored a TD. He was able to throw the ball when it was clear, and not able to when it was raining. If it was the weather (and not that the Giants pass rush collapsed around the same time) that was effecting his play, I shudder to think of what a snowy day in Soldier Field would be like.

[goonys evil twin]

It was not raining on any of Rex's td passes. None of them. It was not raining on any drive where the Bears scored a TD. He was able to throw the ball when it was clear, and not able to when it was raining. If it was the weather (and not that the Giants pass rush collapsed around the same time) that was effecting his play, I shudder to think of what a snowy day in Soldier Field would be like.

 

That's absurd. It was crappy all game. It was windy the whole time. Even if the rain was not coming down at the specific time, it was going off and on all night, and poured on occasion. If you're going to worry about a QB handling the weather, look at Brady or Eli this weekend. Grossman handled it as well as any QB could handle the weather.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Of course if it's snowy and bad weather for the Bears, the other team's QB will still be playing in sunny, clear weather.

 

EDIT: This means the OL doesn't like to block when it's rainy.

Edited November 14, 2006 by CaliforniaRaisin

[Chocolate Milk]

It was not raining on any of Rex's td passes. None of them. It was not raining on any drive where the Bears scored a TD. He was able to throw the ball when it was clear, and not able to when it was raining. If it was the weather (and not that the Giants pass rush collapsed around the same time) that was effecting his play, I shudder to think of what a snowy day in Soldier Field would be like.

 

That's absurd. It was crappy all game. It was windy the whole time. Even if the rain was not coming down at the specific time, it was going off and on all night, and poured on occasion. If you're going to worry about a QB handling the weather, look at Brady or Eli this weekend. Grossman handled it as well as any QB could handle the weather.

 

Grossman's problems had nothing to do with the weather, I agree.

[thedaymen]

Ok fine, that Rex played had awful stats in the first half when it was pouring and great stats in the second when it wasn't is a coincidence. I'd buy the small sample size argument, but I was sitting in that weather and there was a clear patch in for about the first ten minutes of the third quarter and thats when the Bears offense was really moving the ball and getting in the end zone. Coincidence? Small sample size? I'll buy it. That he played great in bad weather? That I won't.

 

Also, let me note that there's a huge difference in wind conditions on the field and in the decks at Giants Stadium.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Ok fine, that Rex played had awful stats in the first half when it was pouring and great stats in the second when it wasn't is a coincidence. I'd buy the small sample size argument, but I was sitting in that weather and there was a clear patch in for about the first ten minutes of the third quarter and thats when the Bears offense was really moving the ball and getting in the end zone. Coincidence? Small sample size? I'll buy it. That he played great in bad weather? That I won't.

 

Also, let me note that there's a huge difference in wind conditions on the field and in the decks at Giants Stadium.

 

Rex's good play also coincided with when the OL started to actually block and Jones actually started getting yards - the reasons I think Rex played better. I'm sure the improving weather didn't hurt, but to chalk it up just to the weather when there are other reasons (which you don't at the end of this post) isn't the right thing to do.

[Chocolate Milk]

Ok fine, that Rex played had awful stats in the first half when it was pouring and great stats in the second when it wasn't is a coincidence. I'd buy the small sample size argument, but I was sitting in that weather and there was a clear patch in for about the first ten minutes of the third quarter and thats when the Bears offense was really moving the ball and getting in the end zone. Coincidence? Small sample size? I'll buy it. That he played great in bad weather? That I won't.

 

Also, let me note that there's a huge difference in wind conditions on the field and in the decks at Giants Stadium.

 

What do you think the effect was? Were the rain droplets knocking his throws off course? Was the water getting in his eyes? The ball would have been wet even when it stopped raining and it was pouring during the last drive in the first half.

 

Rex's effectiveness is related to one thing: Pressure.

[brinoch]

Ok fine, that Rex played had awful stats in the first half when it was pouring and great stats in the second when it wasn't is a coincidence. I'd buy the small sample size argument, but I was sitting in that weather and there was a clear patch in for about the first ten minutes of the third quarter and thats when the Bears offense was really moving the ball and getting in the end zone. Coincidence? Small sample size? I'll buy it. That he played great in bad weather? That I won't.

 

Also, let me note that there's a huge difference in wind conditions on the field and in the decks at Giants Stadium.

 

What do you think the effect was? Were the rain droplets knocking his throws off course? Was the water getting in his eyes? The ball would have been wet even when it stopped raining and it was pouring during the last drive in the first half.

 

Rex's effectiveness is related to one thing: Pressure.

 

And? Your point? If Rex has enough time to throw, he's shown that he'll be very effective. If he doesn't have that time, it's a lot tougher. In Sunday's game, the change was the Line started making blocks and opening holes. The Giants were well-prepared (no surprise there) for the Bears, and the Bears made excellent adjustments to New York's game plan. I thought Lovie and the staff clearly made a lot of correct calls and got things going.

 

Every RB, every QB, every WR and every offense lives and dies by its O-Line. That's just the way it is. They may not have the glamour, but they are incredibly important. When they fail, and allow penetration into the backfield, it's the QB, or the RB that takes the blame.

 

In this game, Rex had one bad pick, and it was costly. TJ and Moose had bad fumbles that were much more costly.

 

Personally, I thought Rex looked fine. Much ado about nothing here.

[TB_11]

I picked up seats to Sunday's games. I didn't take too many pictures until the end, but here's what I have. Hope the Bears fans here enjoy them:

 

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mcgizz/490010663405_0_ALB.jpg

TB (in the Briggs jersey) finds fellow Bears fans before the game.

 

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mcgizz/288020663405_0_ALB.jpg

A Giants fan who had been heckling the Bears fans in his area is quiet by the end of the game.

 

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mcgizz/891510663405_0_ALB.jpg

TB gets a picture with the shamed Giants fan.

 

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mcgizz/530570663405_0_ALB.jpg

An empty Giants stadium post-game.

 

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mcgizz/965970663405_0_ALB.jpg

Final score and stats.

 

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mcgizz/379880663405_0_ALB.jpg

In the parking lot after the game, a fan wearing zoo pants.

Edited November 16, 2006 by TB_11

[Careless]

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